2012 mocks

[painekiller]

27 Dontari Poe* DT Memphis 6' 5" 350
59 Rueben Randle* WR LSU 6' 3" 201
90 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
122 Keenan Robinson ILB Texas 6' 3" 232
154 Matt McCants OT Alabama, Birmingham 6' 7" 295
186 Tysyn Hartman CB Kansas State 6' 3" 206
217 Chris Rainey RB Florida 5' 9" 174

I think they have been reading some of my cherry picks, here is my take for BPA, might not line up with our needs.

27 Jayron Hosley* CB Virginia Tech 5' 11" 170
*54 Brandon Boykin CB/PR Georgia 5' 10" 185
90 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
*122 traded with #59 to move up for Boykin
154 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
186 Chris Galippo ILB USC 6' 2" 250
217 Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech 6' 2" 215

[painekiller]

27 Melvin Ingram DT South Carolina 6' 2" 264
58 Rueben Randle* WR LSU 6' 3" 201
89 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 Bobby Wagner ILB Utah State 6' 1" 230
184 Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin 6' 7" 330
216 Jeremy Ebert WR Northwestern 6' 0" 195

I like the positions taken, but do not agree with the order.

27 Peter Konz* OC Wisconsin 6' 5" 315
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
89 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6' 3" 212
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
184 Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin 6' 7" 330
216 Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech 6' 2" 215

OK so this one has to many Wisconsin boys in it, but I would be very happy to grab one out of Konz or Zeitler. Konz is the best OC in the draft, and we may loose Meyers.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Melvin Ingram DT South Carolina 6' 2" 264
58 Rueben Randle* WR LSU 6' 3" 201
89 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 Bobby Wagner ILB Utah State 6' 1" 230
184 Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin 6' 7" 330
216 Jeremy Ebert WR Northwestern 6' 0" 195

I like the positions taken, but do not agree with the order.

27 Peter Konz* OC Wisconsin 6' 5" 315
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
89 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6' 3" 212
121 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
153 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
184 Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin 6' 7" 330
216 Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech 6' 2" 215

OK so this one has to many Wisconsin boys in it, but I would be very happy to grab one out of Konz or Zeitler. Konz is the best OC in the draft, and we may loose Meyers.

Randle is coming back.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by WMH

Randle is coming back.

Know where there is a list of the guys that have declared?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Know where there is a list of the guys that have declared?

Never mind I found a list:

http://www.gbnreport.com/juniors.htm

And according to that list Randle has declared.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Never mind I found a list:

http://www.gbnreport.com/juniors.htm

And according to that list Randle has declared.

Scratch that. I got him and Russell Shepard mixed up.

[painekiller]

26 Dontari Poe* DT Memphis 6' 5" 350
58 Rueben Randle* WR LSU 6' 3" 201
89 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
121 Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
153 Joel Foreman OG Michigan State 6' 4" 304
184 Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State 6' 4" 275
216 Miles Burris ILB San Diego State 6' 3" 240

I have a hard time talking a NT in the 1st, that position only plays in about 40% of the downs, if that. Not sure that is the biggest need at that pick.

My take?

26 Peter Konz* OC Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 or
58 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia 5' 10" 185
89 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin 6' 0" 210
121 Mike Martin DT Michigan 6' 2" 299
153 Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State 5' 11" 215
184 Kheeston Randall DT Texas 6' 5" 295
216 Lucas Nix OG/OT Pittsburgh 6' 6" 300

Meyers should be resigned, and it might be time to start getting his replacement ready and this junior is the top OC in college this year, we are finally at the spot that the 1st pick might have to sit a while.

[HPF Bob]

If NT is not a need, why are you taking two DT?

An impact NT like Ngata is certainly worth the money. Where we are drafting, I'm not sure one will be there who is worth it but I'm fine with a true run-stuffer for short yardage situations. It might also be cool to find one who would like to try some lead blocking in short yardage as well.

I'm still for upgrading the secondary first then wide receiver but I would not be too upset if they go NT first.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

If NT is not a need, why are you taking two DT?

An impact NT like Ngata is certainly worth the money. Where we are drafting, I'm not sure one will be there who is worth it but I'm fine with a true run-stuffer for short yardage situations. It might also be cool to find one who would like to try some lead blocking in short yardage as well.

I'm still for upgrading the secondary first then wide receiver but I would not be too upset if they go NT first.

I did not say that NT was not a need position, only that I did not want to go 1st round on a NT, even at the 26th pick of the 1st round.

One of the DT in my mock is more of a 3-4 DE, IMO, and the Michigan guy is a high motor guy like Mitchell, Watt and Reed, who, again IMO, can be a part of the NT rotation and possible DE rotation. Plus both of these guys were BPA when I took them.

Now if Poe, who I admit I have not seen on tape, is on Wade's list of wants then I will not complain.

BTW I still believe the needs are WR1b, OL depth, DBs if BPA, ILB depth, and I would add DL depth, and RB depth if Ward is cut. In my mocks, I try to go BPA at the slot we pick. I have decided in round 2 on up I can go up to the 5 previous picks and cherry pick a guy, why because I wanted Boykin to return punts in the 2nd.

And if you really want to know I originally took Kendall Wright as a "b" choice for round 1 because he is a game changer and he can fly, and he might be able to return kicks.

We are very early in this process, and I still want to watch the Senior Bowl practices and catch up on last weekends East West game. (DVR). So I am in no way writing my picks in ink just yet. Some of these guys will not be on my final list of possible picks.

[painekiller]

I missed it and I want to change my 1st pick to

26 Jerel Worthy* DT Michigan State 6' 3" 292

He is similar to Watt IMO and he can be the replacement to Smith when his contract is up.

That would mean that the entire draft would change for me. So here is a 2nd attempt at it.

26 Jerel Worthy* DE Michigan State 6' 3" 292
58 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6' 3" 212
89 Kendall Reyes NT/DE Connecticut 6' 4" 295 (this one's for Bob + he's a team captain)
121 Jerry Franklin ILB Arkansas 6' 1" 241
153 Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina 6' 2" 190
184 Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech 6' 2" 215
216 Lucas Nix OG/OT Pittsburgh 6' 6" 300

Different take on the same draft, I'm sure all of us on this site can do a different cherry pick and have a reasonable justification for the picks.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

26 Dontari Poe* DT Memphis 6' 5" 350
58 Rueben Randle* WR LSU 6' 3" 201
89 Mike Brewster OC Ohio State 6' 5" 293
121 Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
153 Joel Foreman OG Michigan State 6' 4" 304
184 Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State 6' 4" 275
216 Miles Burris ILB San Diego State 6' 3" 240

My Take:

26. Stephon Gilmore* CB South Carolina 6' 1" 188
58. Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
89. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6' 4" 215
121. Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati 6' 5" 298
153. Joe Adams WR Arkansas 5' 11" 182
184. Austin Davis QB Southern Miss 6' 2" 208
216. Cody Johnson FB Texas 5' 11" 250

[NBT]

The only defensive player I'm interested in right now in the Draft would be CB because I'm begining to wonder if Kareem Jackson will ever learn to watch the WR's eyes and turn his head for the int.

Why the preoccupation with DT & NT? We may need one in the future, but didn't we just finish like 4th against the run last year?

Start talking more WR & OL and I will listen better.

[Blitzwood]

In other recent draft news/rumors, this little snipet from walterfootball.com:

26. Houston Texans: Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
The Texans want to draft a receiver in the first round, but they may change their minds if Peter Konz is available. We've reported that the front office believes some team will outbid for Myers in free agency, so Houston will probably have a big need at the center position. In that case, Konz will be too difficult to pass up.



I would assume the Raiders with G. Knapp now their OC, but wouldn't rule out the Colts and Redskins. Myers playing in the ProBowl during a contract year could come back to bite us in the end.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

In other recent draft news/rumors, this little snipet from walterfootball.com:

26. Houston Texans: Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
The Texans want to draft a receiver in the first round, but they may change their minds if Peter Konz is available. We've reported that the front office believes some team will outbid for Myers in free agency, so Houston will probably have a big need at the center position. In that case, Konz will be too difficult to pass up.

To take this mock further:

58 Houston Texans: Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
I really like this pick for the Texans. They need help at nose tackle, and Wade Phillips prefers smaller players at the position. Plus, Houston has seemed to favor prospects out of the southeast in recent drafts. Josh Chapman is one of the top players available.

89 Houston Texans: Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
It shouldn't shock anyone if the Texans decide to double up on receivers in the first few rounds. That is position is their No. 1 need by far.

121 Houston Texans: Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Another receiver. The Texans are going to make upgrading a position a priority this offseason.

My take is that I do not see Meyers as a hard sign, only the Redskins employ the same type running scheme, Knapp came from a different coaching tree of the WCO and I do not believe he is married to the Shanahan/Kubiak running game. I am betting that Knapp will use a power running game similar to the one he used last time he was in Oakland.

As for multiple WR, we have Lestar Jean coming back to camp next year, he might be a big surprise for us.

I love the pick of Konz, I also would love getting Jeffery, so I have no clue what they do.

In the 2nd. I love Martin from Michigan for the NT or Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia who has played both ways for the Bulldogs and is a top return guy.

AT 89, I would be ok with the Streeter pick or the guy selected next, Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas, who I see as an ILB in our system. I also would have to look hard at Zeitler one of the best OG in the draft.

As for the last pick here, McNutt is solid and I like Dwight Jones also. I would have to look hard at Kheeston Randall, DE/DT, Texas who I see as a good solid fit for our DE, Smith is in the final year of his contract after all

[HPF Bob]

While I do look for a WR upgrade early in the draft, I'm not sure it's our #1 priority and, certainly, if we are going o-line, d-line with our first two picks, then it really wasn't a huge priority. I still want to see the secondary upgraded, whether through free agency or the draft. Joseph/Manning were a huge upgrade but Allen is a free agent and Jackson/Quin still make me nervous.

The two guys at CBS Sports.com both have us taking WR at #27, not the big NT Poe as before. Kunz is taken by the Ravens a few choices further down in both mocks.

[barrett]

I thought Quinn was very good this year. His coverage ability in the slot gave us versatility and he was one of our surest tacklers.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I thought Quinn was very good this year. His coverage ability in the slot gave us versatility and he was one of our surest tacklers.

Everyone in the secondary is good except Jackson. Everyone in the secondary could realistically be upgraded in the draft except Joseph.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Everyone in the secondary is good except Jackson. Everyone in the secondary could realistically be upgraded in the draft except Joseph.

I would replace Manning before Quinn. Manning is better as a centerfield type when facing the QB, but Quinn was very good in coverage on TEs and RBs. And he was a great tackler in run support and the open field. So unless we are looking to replace both safeties, I feel like Quinn is perfect where he is.

[popanot]

As long as it took this staff to get serious about the S position and considering the poor play of years past, I'm fairly certain they're satisfied with the production we got last year and S is a loooooow priority in this draft.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by popanot

As long as it took this staff to get serious about the S position and considering the poor play of years past, I'm fairly certain they're satisfied with the production we got last year and S is a loooooow priority in this draft.

That's my read as well. I would love for the team to try to get better at corner through the draft but I believe that they think they have a lot of depth at the position with Harris and Carmichael yet to contribute.

I was just looking over the team's draft history. Holy shit was Casserly terrible.