Texans Interested in QB Brock Osweiler [UPDATE: Reached Agreement]

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

We paid approximately a 20 % premium over what the Broncos "could" pay him and they might have been willing to go higher had they had the cap to
do it. I got NP with that and now we have all of our Draft picks in place instead of using them on a bigger unknown QB in the Draft - it's what's known as having your cake and eating it too.
And due to unusually large cojones Rick Smith may have difficulty getting thru his office door this morning after the deal he pulled over John Elway, but as mentioned Smith had the ammo(cap) to do the deal. But it's a big deal snatching this young NFL vet QB away from Elway and the defending SB champs.

We didn't snatch him away. He was Denver's if they wanted him. They chose not to offer him market value. We got him by paying more, not by sweet talking him away. And consider that Denver allowed him to walk without another QB on the roster.

Either way we are paying big time proven QB money for a guy who has less starting time than last year's rookies. Paying a guy with almost no experience or track record like a guy who has experience and track record is not called having your cake and eating it too.

QB A - 62%, 246 ypg, 1.3 TDpg, .8 INTpg, 86.4 rating
QB B - 61%, 246 ypg, 1.7 TDpg, .6 INTpg, 91.4 rating

Can you guess which of those QBs is Brian Hoyer and which of those QBs is getting paid $18 million per year?

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

We didn't snatch him away. He was Denver's if they wanted him. They chose not to offer him market value. We got him by paying more, not by sweet talking him away. And consider that Denver allowed him to walk without another QB on the roster.

Either way we are paying big time proven QB money for a guy who has less starting time than last year's rookies. Paying a guy with almost no experience or track record like a guy who has experience and track record is not called having your cake and eating it too.

QB A - 62%, 246 ypg, 1.3 TDpg, .8 INTpg, 86.4 rating
QB B - 61%, 246 ypg, 1.7 TDpg, .6 INTpg, 91.4 rating

Can you guess which of those QBs is Brian Hoyer and which of those QBs is getting paid $18 million per year?

Oh they wanted him though likly their pockets weren't deep enough to retain him, to afford him. Do I wish we could have gotten him for less ? Sure I wish we could trade a couple mid-round picks to GB for Aaron Rogers. I wish I could have bought my house for less, but I love it here and it's home now. Sometimes one just has to stick their head into it and do it. Kudos to the Texans for making this really big move here.
ne;This is a lot better than coughing up several Draft picks (maybe including multiple 1st rounders) for a college QB with not a single snap of training camp experience.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Oh they wanted him though likly their pockets weren't deep enough to retain him, to afford him. Do I wish we could have gotten him for less ? Sure I wish we could trade a couple mid-round picks to GB for Aaron Rogers. I wish I could have bought my house for less, but I love it here and it's home now. Sometimes one just has to stick their head into it and do it. Kudos to the Texans for making this really big move here.
ne;This is a lot better than coughing up several Draft picks (maybe including multiple 1st rounders) for a college QB with not a single snap of training camp experience.

A college QB would have cost more draft picks but far less money. Either way we allocated huge resources and I hope Brock is great. And no matter what, I am happy we picked a QB and are moving forward for better or worse.

[HPF Bob]

Osweiler gave fans just enough (Patriots, Steelers 1st half) to see greatness and just enough (Chargers, Steelers 2nd half) to be fearful. He's not a graceful runner but he can get the job done and he has the strong arm to zing the ball where it needs to go but he seemed to be easily confused on blitzes which may/may not be cured with more playing time instead of sitting on the bench.

Personally, I think the Texans overpaid but, given their situation, it's as good an option as anything else. Think of it this way: Texans traded Hoyer, Foster, Jones and Brooks for Osweiler, Miller, Allen and Bergstrom. Did we improve? Depends how you look at it.

[Nconroe]

Texans certainly made some bold moves yesterday. Hope they work out in next two years.

Seems 18 mil is only 14th highest qb salary in 2016, so with two year out option not bad.

Os is 25, so hoping we get the upside to show. Hope our rebuilt Oline performs well, if so, we should be okay.

[HPF Bob]

I have no idea how the cap wizards do this but the contract for Osweiler is front-loaded yet will only count $12 million against this year's cap, according to sources. Apparently, much of this year's money is a big bonus that doesn't fully count against the cap.

[Warren]

Interesting read on the move: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...it-first-seems

[WMH]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I have no idea how the cap wizards do this but the contract for Osweiler is front-loaded yet will only count $12 million against this year's cap, according to sources. Apparently, much of this year's money is a big bonus that doesn't fully count against the cap.

Bonus money is spread over the term of the deal. So while the players guarantees are all in the 1st 2 years, there would still be some cap ramifications if they cut bait in year 3.

I am not too hung up on the money. They had it. They spent it. Let the accountants worry about how to make it work. I can only think of a couple of times they have truly been in cap troubles, so apparently they know how to manipulate it. Also, with the cap ever increasing, I really don't see it as a huge burden either way.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by barrett

We didn't snatch him away. He was Denver's if they wanted him. They chose not to offer him market value.

Maybe? Rumors exist that Osweiler wasn't as interested in a return given his dislike of Kubiak's offense and how he felt he was treated last season. And the Broncos offered him ~$16M per yr reportedly, but yeah, they didn't want him.

I honestly think Elway botched this. He had a hard time giving that kind of money to a player with a half season's worth of starts. And he likely underestimated the market, which is somewhat understandable before seeing what guys like Cousins and Bradford are being paid this year. Elway is about to find out how hard life is being a QB-needy team like the Texans have been the past three seasons.

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Think of it this way: Texans traded Hoyer, Foster, Jones and Brooks for Osweiler, Miller, Allen and Bergstrom. Did we improve? Depends how you look at it.

It's all about the QB. Pick Hoyer and any three other players and you've made the wrong choice, period. Hoyer wasn't a factor for 2016 anyway... the team would have invested at minimum their first round pick in a new QB. So the team really trades a rookie QB, an injured Foster, and newly minted Jones and Brooks for a 1st round pick, Osweiler, a young and healthy Miller, Allen and Bergstrom.

And keep in mind this is about 2016... meaning 2012 Arian Foster is now a 30-yr old running back entering training camp on a bad Achilles heel. Jones and Brooks are decent starters, but they're being paid more than Allen and Bergstrom for questionable, if any, improvement over the former. So I don't think this depends on how you look at it at all.

[popanot]

Regardless of cost, I'm happy and am willing to give Osweiler a chance. And hey, he was smart enough not to pick jersey #8. That's a good start right there, IMO.