Would You Do Cutler To Houston For Schaub and Our #1? - Page 3

Joshua · #41 03-18-2009, 01:56 PM

What I'm wondering about is whether any of this stuff came up during McDaniels' interviews for the job. Cutler is pretty much the face of the franchise. You would think that one of the questions for McDaniels is what he thought of Cutler and whether he wanted to work with him. Also, everyone knew Cassel was on the trade block. You would also think that one of the follow up questions is whether McDaniels had any desire to pursue Cassel. If McDaniels said he would be interested in pursuing Cassel, then they should have had a better plan than they did. If McDaniels said he was happy with Cutler, I would be pretty steamed if I'm the owner and only 1 month later he's alienated my QB to the point where he's requested a trade.

From the comments I've read from Bowlen, it doesn't sound like these questions were really considered. That strikes me as peculiar.

TheMatrix31 · #42 03-19-2009, 07:41 PM

I don't think this would be Kubiak's last season, unless something drastically bad happens.

We've shown improvement in each of his three years here, going 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8. It's about time we go above .500, or make the playoffs, but we're in a tough ass division, and I don't think Kubiak is necessarily on the hot seat.

HPF Bob · #43 03-19-2009, 10:09 PM

I think he may be in the hot seat if the defense doesn't improve yet Kubiak will tell you he's never been a defensive coach so I think blaming him for the defense's failure would be a little unfair. His failure would be essentially not bringing in the coaches/personnel to upgrade the defense - which is something you ought to blame Rick Smith for as much as the head coach.

papabear · #44 03-20-2009, 08:52 AM

Kubiak has to be at least in the playoff race until the lat week, maybe two, of the season to keep his job. We've shown improvement, but I think McNair wants to get to the playoffs now. The D has been a weakness, but he's gotten Mario, Demeco, Okoye, Fred, Adibi, Smith, Reeves, and likely several more early draft picks this year to help the defense. He's also gotten a new defensive coordinator, so that excuse is gone. It might not be fair to blame him for a poor defensive unit, but we've devoted a lot of attention to the defensive side of the ball since he's been here. If they don't start having something to show for it Kubiak will get the blame. If it's the offense that stumbles (highly unlikely IMO) then that's his specialty and he should most definitely get the big portion of the blame.

Personally, I like Kubiak and I would like to see him around for a long time. There's something to be said about having continuity at the top of your staff, but I he's got to show he can get this team into contention.

gunn · #45 03-20-2009, 02:47 PM

I don't think Kubiak's seat is hot at all. I think there was an understanding that this team was devoid of talent and depth when he got here and the necessary time to fix that will be given. Now if they are just flat out awful this year, like 3-13 awful.... he's as good as gone. But if the team has a good draft and again shows improvement he'll be around for another year.

papabear · #46 03-20-2009, 03:39 PM

There's not much room for improvement without making the playoffs. If we win 10 games, but miss out on the playoffs he's fine. If it's a 7/8/9 win season and we're out of the playoffs early...he might not get fired, but he'll feel the heat. Anything below that, and he'll have a hard time keeping his job.

gunn · #47 03-20-2009, 04:04 PM

I guess i'm saying the same thing.... I really think he's got two solid years left to prove that he can get it done. This year and next. He hasn't lost the players yet....

TheMatrix31 · #48 03-21-2009, 01:43 AM

One thing I absolutely LOVE about Kubiak is his guts. He's never phased by a tough decision, and will go on fourth down when he needs to, instead of being textbook. He thinks outside of the box, and I think that while it could bite you in the ass, sometimes it's just necessary.

All I'd love for him to do is work on clock management, because the team is atrocious at that.

Keith · #49 03-31-2009, 08:19 PM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/31/bowl...-trade-cutler/

Cutler wouldn't even call the owner.

HPF Bob · #50 03-31-2009, 10:00 PM

Let the bidding begin. Broncos now say they will honor Cutler's request to be traded. The Chris Simms Era begins in Denver. Good luck, McDiapers!

Joshua · #51 04-01-2009, 11:00 AM

While Cutler clearly bears some responsibility for being such a diva, I'm still amazed at the ineptitude of Bowlen and McDaniels. I can't believe they didn't have a better gameplan for going after Cassel. If that's who McDaniels wanted, it should have been in the works long before. Now, they are losing their QB over a halfass attempt to get Cassel which never appeared to have much of a shot in the first place.

painekiller · #52 04-02-2009, 05:24 PM

Cutler is now a Bear.

HPF Bob · #53 04-02-2009, 06:17 PM

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Cutler is now a Bear.

Yup. For a #1 this year, a #1 next year and Kyle Orton. Depending on who you believe, the deal is being balanced with a third and a fifth but it's fuzzy who is getting which.

Once the situation deteriorated, the Broncos desperately needed to trade him and move on. This was probably the best they could get. They're going to look like the 2002 Texans this year (complete with Jabar Gaffney) but they have nobody to blame but themselves. For the life of me, I don't understand why they decided to hire an offensive coach when it is the defense that needed an overhaul. Now, they're going to have to overhaul both and they simply don't have the ability to address both at the same time, even with the additional picks.

HPF Bob · #54 04-02-2009, 06:21 PM

FWIW, I would not have done Cutler for Schaub and a pair of #1s. Schaub is a better QB than Orton. Even if the Texans had tried to get him (and I don't think we did), we would have surely been outbid.

TheMatrix31 · #55 04-02-2009, 06:50 PM

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FWIW, I would not have done Cutler for Schaub and a pair of #1s. Schaub is a better QB than Orton. Even if the Texans had tried to get him (and I don't think we did), we would have surely been outbid.

Me neither. I hope Cutler tears it up and makes McDaniels look like a bigger moron than he already does.

papabear · #56 04-03-2009, 08:35 AM

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Me neither. I hope Cutler tears it up and makes McDaniels look like a bigger moron than he already does.

You seem to be in the minority on that. Cutler seems to be the one taking all the heat from what I've read/heard. I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but I heard the Broncos owner had been trying to talk cutler for 10 days, and when he wouldn't return the calls Bolen made the call to trade him not McDaniels. Cutler said he never got those calls. I don't have a reason, but I tend to believe Bolen. If that is the case then Cutler just hurt himself. He had two stud young WR', a good line, and good offensive mind for a coach.

HPF Bob · #57 04-03-2009, 02:57 PM

I think Cutler will be in hog heaven with the Bears. I mean, the last QB Bear fans remember fondly was Jim McMahon. Cutler has already passed for more TDs and more yards in one season than any Bear QB - ever.

So, there isn't a legend like the ghost of John Elway for Cutler to live up to in Chicago. He's going to seem like a huge upgrade to them even if he's merely average. The best QB that Bear fans have watched in recent memory was Erik Kramer. That's not a very high bar to live up to. Cutler will be responsible for a lot of Cub fans not committing suicide next October.

edo783 · #58 04-03-2009, 04:40 PM

Chi town is celebrating big time. However, who does Cutler have to throw to? Tory Holt and as good of a WR in the second round that they can get would help big time. If they can get the offense moving, this could be a dangerous team. Certainly a real contender to win the division.

barrett · #59 04-04-2009, 10:22 PM

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You seem to be in the minority on that. Cutler seems to be the one taking all the heat from what I've read/heard. I'm sure there's blame on both sides, but I heard the Broncos owner had been trying to talk cutler for 10 days, and when he wouldn't return the calls Bolen made the call to trade him not McDaniels. Cutler said he never got those calls. I don't have a reason, but I tend to believe Bolen. If that is the case then Cutler just hurt himself. He had two stud young WR', a good line, and good offensive mind for a coach.

Maybe. Maybe Not.

I am a patriots fan but take a look at the track record for Belichik assistants moving on to head jobs. Many of these guys look like geniuses in NE and then can't hack it on their own.

So with that in mind I look at a 32 year old guy who has accomplished nothing coming in and his first move is to trade the Pro Bowl QB???

If the Broncos were a stock I would definitely be selling right now because their future looks very bleak.