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Old 02-27-2009, 03:47 PM
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I cherry picked and came out with this.

1 Clay Matthews OLB/DE
2 Max Unger T/G/C
3 Tyrone McKenzie OLB
4 James Casey TE
4 Pat White QB
5 Darcel McBath FS Texas Tech
6 Ray Feinga OG BYU
7 Kaluka Maiava OLB USC
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:44 PM
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Here is my cherry pick complete with a trade down with Tampa Bay: TB jumps above the Jets and takes Stafford, We get there #19 and #81. Also I have the Sage pick #118, and I do not have us matching the offer to David Anderson and we get Denvers 7th rounder.

19 Clay Matthews OLB43 DE43 USC
46 Max Unger T/G/C Oregon
77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama
81 David Veikune DE43 Hawaii
108 Terrance Taylor DT43 Michigan
118 Ian Johnson Boise State RBC
144 Sebastian Vollmer OT Houston watch the video
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian watch the video
204 Kaluka Maiava OLB USC
206 Gartrell Johnson RBS Colorado St.

I originallly had Steve McGee at #118, but decided with the team signing Patrick Ramsey, and having already Nall and Brink on the roster, I figured Kubiak waits a year to see how Brink develops.

As noted above Ian Johnson is shown as undrafted, I do not see that happening, I could have taken him based on this list at 206, but I think he might be a better fit at #118. I did have James Davis RBF Clemson there.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:58 PM
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I more I look at the above draft the more I like it. Matthews can be your SAM or WILL and drop to DE in nickle

Unger fights for starting OG while learning the line calls, he is the future OC.

Rashad Johnson my weakest pick, he will be groomed to be the future FS.

Veikune can be a specialist, and should be solid on ST.

Taylor is a NT.

Johnson is my Goal line back and he can spell Slaton

Vollmer is a stud in hiding. He could push a couple OL to new positions in a few years.

Knox will make you forget about Anderson and Jacoby Jones.

Maiava is a player coach, and he might be able to play WILL, if not he is a SAM and Matthews is the WILL.

Gartrell Johnson because you have to have a Colorado ST. player. He should be converted to FB and short yardage back. No top end speed but has second level speed.
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Old 03-01-2009, 01:17 PM
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Assuming we don't meet the Denver contract and get a 7th for DA, Knox would be a great replacement.
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:23 PM
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Assuming we don't meet the Denver contract and get a 7th for DA, Knox would be a great replacement.
I would love to see us get Jarett Dillard, Rice in the 4th or 5th round to replace Anderson.
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Old 03-01-2009, 05:06 PM
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Cherry picking from the latest edition...
(also added an extra 7th from David Anderson)

1. Clay Matthews OLB USC
2. Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
3. Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest
4. James Davis RB Clemson
4. Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE Richmond
5. Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
6. Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian
7. Devin Moore RB/KR Wyoming
7. Mark Parson CB Ohio

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Old 03-01-2009, 08:46 PM
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You know I view Duke Robinson like the interior Phillip Loadholt, I don't think his brick feet are ideal for a ZBS.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:20 AM
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Hadn't paid too much attention to Vollmer at UH. Looked real good in that video. Look like he has good footwork, and you know he can pass block. Might be a nice ZBS tackle.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:58 PM
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I cherry picked and came out with this.

1 Clay Matthews OLB/DE
2 Max Unger T/G/C
3 Tyrone McKenzie OLB
4 James Casey TE
4 Pat White QB
5 Darcel McBath FS Texas Tech
6 Ray Feinga OG BYU
7 Kaluka Maiava OLB USC

I did not cherry pick, which is why I'm not too happy with this....

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. DE Lawrence Sidbury
3. RB Andre Brown
4. TE Shawn Nelson
4. OC A.Q. Shipley
5. S C.J. Spillman
6. DE Derek Walker
7. DT Darryl Richard

The FAs that I'd try to sign include:

RB Javarris Williams
DT Myron Pryor
QB David Johnson
LB Slade Norris
LB/S Steve Hodge
LB Toddrick Verdell

Basically, I seemed to be just adding to the strength of the team (offense).
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:31 PM
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This makes me smile. If Draftek is right, in the fourth round, we can have one guy from the following:

Shawn Nelson TE
Terrance Taylor DT
Mike Thomas
Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
Darcel McBath FS
Jonathan Casillas OLB
Jarett Dillard WRF
Nic Harris


and, one guy from the following:







A.Q. Shipley OC
Cornelius Ingram TE
Jason Phillips ILB
Zack Follett OLB
Emanuel Cook SS South Carolina +0 Value
Stephen McGee
David Bruton FS
James Davis RBF
Courtney Greene SS
Tony Fiammetta FB
Matt Shaughnessy DE
Vance Walker DT
Kevin Ellison SS
Corvey Irvin DT
Scott McKillop ILB
Brandon Underwood FS
Brandon Williams DE
Chris Clemons S

We should be able to get two really nice players from those lists. Now, if we don't mess up the first three picks.


I watched the DL LB day from the combine again tonight. I think if Orakpo doesn't fall to 15 (which he won't) I would like Maybin, Cushing or Matthews. If we could move down and pick up one of those guys and pick up an extra pick, that would be gravy.
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:45 PM
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FA's I would like to see:

Jeremy Childs BSU WR
Stephen Hodge TCU LB
Lardarius Webb Nichols State CB
Stryker Sulak Missouri LB
Ellis Lankster W. VA. CB
Khalif Mitchell E. Carolina DT
Terrance Knighton Temple DT
Kory Sperry Colorado State TE
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:03 PM
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I did not cherry pick, which is why I'm not too happy with this....

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. DE Lawrence Sidbury
3. RB Andre Brown
4. TE Shawn Nelson
4. OC A.Q. Shipley
5. S C.J. Spillman
6. DE Derek Walker
7. DT Darryl Richard
Okay, I went to Kentucky for the weekend and come back to find out that we've signed a DE and a backup QB. That changes my draft board a bit. Here's my new draft...

1. WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri
2. S Patrick Chung Oregon
3. LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
4. DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
4. RB Ian Johnson Boise State
5. OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
6. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
7. DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech

My 5th round pick is a new prospect to the draft board. Essentially, I needed a different position in the 5th round than was available on my board considering the S, LB, DE, and RB already selected. I also gave up on the idea of drafting a QB since we signed Orlovsky.
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:22 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I like Matthews in the first. Hopefully we can trade down a bit, get an extra pick and still grab him. I wouldn't be upset with Maclin, but Matthews fills a much bigger need.

1. Clay Matthews OLB USC
2. Louis Delmas FS Western Michigan
3. Andre Brown RB NC State
4. Lawrence Sidbury DE Richmond

I'd be thrilled with those top 4, especially if we could land another pick in a trade down. I considered Chung in the second, but it seems that the coaches like Barber at SS, so I went with Delmas instead.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:08 AM
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1. WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri
2. S Patrick Chung Oregon
3. LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
4. DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
4. RB Ian Johnson Boise State
5. OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
6. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
7. DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech

My 5th round pick is a new prospect to the draft board. Essentially, I needed a different position in the 5th round than was available on my board considering the S, LB, DE, and RB already selected. I also gave up on the idea of drafting a QB since we signed Orlovsky.
You know Roy I can see this being a group of guys without one starter for this year coming out of it. I know the long term goal is to get where we are only drafting for depth, but the reality is this team is not good enough for that yet. Walter is not a superstar but he is an above average #2 WR. So where does Maclin fit? #3 or 4? With this many needs on defense that is a luxury we cannot afford IMO.

Chung is SS and the team seems sold Barber and Eugene Wilson being the starters. Add in Harrison (who could be gone with little impact) and Nick Ferguson and the the depth at SS seems to be there. I like Chung, I can see him being able to play both safety positions, but does the team?

McGrath is another undersized LB that had a hard time staying on the field last season. He has an upside but as far as being a starter this season, not likely.

Sidbury is a specialist, not a starter.

Ian Johnson could be the man is Slaton gets hurt, so far the only starter with a few breaks.

I am thinking defense early and often. And that coming from a guy who wants them to draft Donald Brown.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:56 PM
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You know Roy I can see this being a group of guys without one starter for this year coming out of it. I know the long term goal is to get where we are only drafting for depth, but the reality is this team is not good enough for that yet..
Again, it comes down to BPA vs. filling a need. If the team is consistently trying to find players to fill their needs with inferior talent, then the team overall does not improve.

What would happen to this team if Andre Johnson got injured? We simply rely upon Andre Davis and Kevin Walter to step up their game, right? However, in my opinion, Jeremy Maclin has the talent to become the #1 WR if needed. Immediately, if all things are perfect, he plays the slot and improves field position by starting as the KR/PR. He has more talent than Walter so in theory would be able to put up better production while teams focused on Andre Johnson.

Chung could very well start at FS for this team. He has better coverage skills than C.C. Brown and he fits that "hybrid" S that the coaches have discussed. In terms of talent, if the coaches like Barber, they should love Chung.

McGrath is the sort of player the team hoped Adibi would be. He has better athleticism and would push for a starting position. He is also the kind of player who could make an impact on Special Teams covering kick returns.

Ian Johnson could easily split carries with Slaton. Neither is very big, so limiting their hits would pay dividends over the long haul. Last year after Slaton had 15 carries by the 3rd quarter, I kept my fingers crossed every time they handed him the ball late in games.

Sidbury may be a specialist like Elvis Dumervil. However, I'm not sure that this team couldn't use a guy on the edge to rush the QB. Remember when people scratched their heads trying to figure out how Mark Anderson went to the Bears as a 4th round pick and posted double digit sacks? As a non-starter, a player like that can still make an impact.

Cadogan vs. Brisel is a wash in my opinion. Eric Winston could have been even more effective last year if he weren't so preoccupied with tryint to cover up Brisel's mistakes. This team could definitely take a look at a RG not only to back up, but possibly start.

Javaris Williams could be the short yardage back that this team needs. Converting 3rd and one should be easier than we made it look last year. He'd also be a threat in the red zone to stick his nose in.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:16 PM
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I did not cherry pick, which is why I'm not too happy with this....

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. DE Lawrence Sidbury
3. RB Andre Brown
4. TE Shawn Nelson
4. OC A.Q. Shipley
5. S C.J. Spillman
6. DE Derek Walker
7. DT Darryl Richard

The FAs that I'd try to sign include:

RB Javarris Williams
DT Myron Pryor
QB David Johnson
LB Slade Norris
LB/S Steve Hodge
LB Toddrick Verdell

Basically, I seemed to be just adding to the strength of the team (offense).
RD 1 Brian Cushing OLB
RD 2 Donald Brown RB
RD 3 Brian Robiskee WR
RD 4 Antoine Caldwell OC
RD 4 Tyronne Greene OG
RD 5 Kevin Ellison SS
RD 6 Glenn Coffee RB
RD 7 Kaluka Maiava OLB

This draft is blue collar filled with football players who play the game hard. It may be cliche but there is a lack of physicality with the Texans which translates to not finishing in the fourth quarter.

With that said, Cushing provides tackling ability at SAM and can also put pressure on the quarterback.

Brown runs hard and with patience in the hole will even get better. Will keep Slaton healthy.

Robiskee will keep the chains moving and provides a larger target for our QBs in the redzone.

Caldwell and Greene provide technical power in the middle of the line and both were excellant driving Brace, Hood, and Raji back at the senior bowl.

Ellison will help at SS and has superb insticts for making plays.

Maiava and Coffee provide depth and will help at Will and situational running plays.

Bottom Line: All of these players work hard and put the team and winning first.

By the way, I was really tempted to put D. Richard DT instead of Coffee
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Old 03-04-2009, 10:05 PM
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RD 1 Brian Cushing OLB
RD 2 Donald Brown RB
RD 3 Brian Robiskee WR
RD 4 Antoine Caldwell OC
RD 4 Tyronne Greene OG
RD 5 Kevin Ellison SS
RD 6 Glenn Coffee RB
RD 7 Kaluka Maiava OLB
The mock in which we are basing our decisions comes from Drafttek.com.

I guess you didn't go to the web site, because Cushing is projected to go #14 by New Orleans. Donald Brown went in the first round to Indy (#27). Robiskie went in the 2nd round to the Jets at #52. Caldwell is a 3rd round pick to Denver at #79, just two picks after our 3rd rounder.

Tyronne Greene is actually a player in this scenario that you could have drafted for the Texans. They have him being a 5th round selection, where you have us taking him with our 2nd pick in the 4th round.

Kevin Ellison is the 2nd player you selected who is available when you would have drafted him in the 5th.

Unfortunately, Glenn Coffee is also off the board in the 5th round, which would preclude you from being able to get him in the 6th.

So, take a look at the mock and try again.

http://www.drafttek.com/round12009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round22009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round32009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round42009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round52009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round62009.asp
http://www.drafttek.com/round72009.asp
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:00 PM
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Drafttek updated 3/4, gives me the opportunity to flip-flop some.

1. Aaron Maybin - I know he's a project, but I watched him at the combine, again, and the guy was up to 249 and looked really smoothe and athletic in all his drills. Would be happy with Matthews or Jerry

2. Sean Smith is now available. He could be very good in a couple of years. Also still like Kruger and Delmas.

3. Andre Brown

4. Lawrence Sidbury

4. Brandon Williams

5. Bear Pascoe

6. Ian Johnson

7. Victor Butler

I noticed Stephen Hodge, Johnny Knox and Mike Wallace are now in the 7th round, but before our pick. I also think we should take two running backs, so took Ian in the 6th, but think Devin Moore or Kory Sheets would be good picks also.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:58 PM
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Okay, updated on 3/6. Here's my picks...

1. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
2. S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
3. DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
4. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
4. OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
5. S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
6. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
7. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51


I'm pretty happy...and I've been able to get My Guys down to 64. All of my draft picks came from my top 45.
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Okay, updated on 3/6. Here's my picks...

1. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
2. S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
3. DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
4. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
4. OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
5. S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
6. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
7. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51


I'm pretty happy...and I've been able to get My Guys down to 64. All of my draft picks came from my top 45.
I could live with this. Probably would prefer a RB earlier, say in the 4th, but all in all pretty solid.
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