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Old 04-28-2017, 10:53 PM
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@ #89 the Texans select. ......Foreman to play RB.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:00 PM
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NFL Network had a pre-draft story on Foreman who found out his girlfriend had given birth to a premature baby in September who was a 50/50 chance of survival and it was kept out of the media. The day he rushed for over 300 yards against Texas Tech, he learned his son D'onta Jr. died during the game. Very touching story.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:01 PM
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Hmmm...as a longhorn I should be pleased with this pick, but I just don't feel it. Time will tell but despite all the yards he just always felt slow.

And I'm stunned we continue to ignore woeful OL.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:04 PM
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I don't like big RBs. Much of their college success cannot be replicated because they are no longer bigger than most of the defense. NFL defenders are bad men. It's also why I wouldn't have gone near Fournette in the 1st. Why draft a guy who is useless if he gets hit at or near the LOS? I guess we needed a redzone compliment to Miller.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:07 PM
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Foreman is from Texas City High School. He's a straight-ahead beast with a little wiggle who ran for over 2000 yards. I expect he'll be in the goalline packages in the beginning. As long as he doesn't make that left turn laterally like so many backs do behind Duane Brown, he'll be okay. He's not a scat back and he's not outrunning anyone to the edge but he is tough to stop when he gets his momentum going. Think a slimmer Christian Okoye.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:10 PM
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PHere is one review, if he gives us 3rd down and end zone, we needed that.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.burnt...exas-longhorns


Now have 4 more picks and free agency to help OL.

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Old 04-28-2017, 11:20 PM
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Doak Walker Award winner (Foreman) to go along with the Davey O'Brien Award winner (Watson).

Foreman hightlights:

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Old 04-28-2017, 11:21 PM
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I don't like big RBs. Much of their college success cannot be replicated because they are no longer bigger than most of the defense. NFL defenders are bad men. It's also why I wouldn't have gone near Fournette in the 1st. Why draft a guy who is useless if he gets hit at or near the LOS? I guess we needed a redzone compliment to Miller.
OK enough, is enough. This is like last year when round after round they passed on tackles and the Texans seemed to be oblivious to their pressing need at OT. Sure they drafted a center, but that's not the same thing as an offensive lineman who can play on the edge and face the pass-rushers.
But now they are using 3rd round picks on a RB and for what ? Big backs are a available in the late rounds or as undrafted rookie free agents.
I hope Smith has got his eye on some OTs who he's sure will be cut by other teams who he can sign as free agents ?
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:28 PM
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I had this discussion with a Cowboys fan this week wanting Foreman because he was a UT fan. I don't understand why he wanted another RB when he already has Elliot. Unfortunately there are no OTs available at this point. Which is why I moved up the OL in this draft considering supply and demand. The only OL I have left on my board is Danny Isidora. Maybe we can get Zach Banner as an UDFA. But once Taylor Moton came off the board, it was a moot point. You had to get a pick in the top 64 to get a starter.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:32 PM
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But now they are using 3rd round picks on a RB and for what ? Big backs are a available in the late rounds or as undrafted rookie free agents.
I hope Smith has got his eye on some OTs who he's sure will be cut by other teams who he can sign as free agents ?
I think you can say the same thing about tackles. You can find fatboys in the later rounds.....

Rick Smith was just on the radio and asked this very question. He replied (paraphrasing) that they have been taking them as they come. Said they were going BPA and value and perhaps they would address OL tomorrow....
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:34 PM
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Maybe we can trade some team gor OL if not in FA?
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:40 PM
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Sitting here at #104...I still have TE Bucky Hodges, ILB Anthony Walker Jr, OLB Carl Lawson, OLB Vince Biegel, RB Samaje Perine, CB Desmond King, CB Jalen Myrick, RB Jeremy McNichols, QB Nate Peterman, TE Jeremy Sprinkle, NT Jaleel Johnson, NT Carlos Watkins, and ILB Ben Gedeon.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:48 PM
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Round 3 complete:

1(65) Browns Ogunjobi, Larry DT 6'3" 305 North Carolina Charlotte 5.7
2(66) 49ers Witherspoon, Ahkello CB 6'3" 198 Colorado 5.7
3(67) Saints (From 49ers through Bears) Kamara, Alvin RB 5'10" 214 Tennessee 5.9
4(68) Jaguars Smoot, Dawuane DE 6'3" 264 Illinois 5.4
5(69) Rams Kupp, Cooper WR 6'2" 204 Eastern Washington 5.7
6(70) Vikings (From Jets) Elflein, Pat C 6'3" 303 Ohio St. 5.8
7(71) Chargers Feeney, Dan OG 6'4" 305 Indiana 5.7
8(72) Titans (From Patriots through Panthers) Taylor, Taywan WR 5'11" 203 Western Kentucky 5.7
9(73) Bengals Willis, Jordan OLB 6'4" 255 Kansas St. 5.8
10(74) Ravens (From Eagles) Wormley, Chris DE 6'5" 298 Michigan 5.8
11(75) Falcons (From Bills) Riley, Duke LB 6'0" 232 LSU 5.5
12(76) Saints Anzalone, Alex LB 6'3" 241 Florida 5.8
13(77) Panthers (From Cardinals) Hall, Daeshon DE 6'5" 266 Texas A&M 5.7
14(78) Ravens Williams, Tim OLB 6'3" 244 Alabama 6.0
15(79) Jets (From Vikings) Stewart, ArDarius WR 5'11" 204 Alabama 5.7
16(80) Colts Basham, Tarell DE 6'4" 269 Ohio 5.6
17(81) Redskins Moreau, Fabian CB 6'0" 206 UCLA 5.7
18(82) Broncos Henderson, Carlos WR 5'11" 199 Louisiana Tech 5.5
19(83) Patriots (From Titans) Rivers, Derek DE 6'4" 248 Youngstown St. 5.5
20(84) Buccaneers Godwin, Chris WR 6'1" 209 Penn St. 5.7
21(85) Patriots (From Lions) Garcia, Antonio OT 6'6" 302 Troy 5.7
22(86) Chiefs (From Vikings through Dolphins) Hunt, Kareem RB 5'10" 216 Toledo 5.5
23(87) Giants Webb, Davis QB 6'5" 229 California 5.4
24(88) Raiders Vanderdoes, Eddie DT 6'3" 305 UCLA 5.6
25(89) Texans Foreman, D'Onta RB 6'0" 233 Texas 5.7
26(90) Seahawks Griffin, Shaquill DB 6'0" 194 Central Florida 5.6
27(91) Rams (From Bills through Chiefs) Johnson, John S 6'0" 208 Boston College 5.7
28(92) Cowboys Lewis, Jourdan CB 5'10" 188 Michigan 5.6
29(93) Packers Adams, Montravius DT 6'4" 304 Auburn 5.6
30(94) Steelers Sutton, Cameron CB 5'11" 188 Tennessee 5.6
31(95) Seahawks (From Falcons) Hill, Delano SS 6'1" 216 Michigan 5.4
32(96) Lions (From Patriots) Golladay, Kenny WR 6'4" 218 Northern Illinois 5.5
33(97) Dolphins (Compensatory Selection) Tankersley, Cordrea CB 6'1" 199 Clemson 5.7
34(98) Cardinals (Compensatory Selection - From Panthers) Williams, Chad WR 6'1" 204 Grambling St. 5.0
35(99) Eagles (Compensatory Selection - From Ravens) Douglas, Rasul CB 6'2" 209 West Virginia 5.8
36(100) Titans (Compensatory Selection - From Rams) Smith, Jonnu TE 6'3" 248 Florida International 5.5
37(101) Broncos (Compensatory Selection) Langley, Brendan CB 6'0" 201 Lamar 5.3
38(102) Seahawks (Compensatory Selection) Jones, Nazair DT 6'5" 304 North Carolina 5.5
39(103) Saints (Compensatory Selection - From Patriots through Browns) Hendrickson, Trey OLB 6'4" 266 Florida Atlantic 5.5
40(104) 49ers (Compensatory Selection - From Vikings through Chiefs) Beathard, C.J. QB 6'2" 219 Iowa 5.0
41(105) Steelers (Compensatory Selection) Conner, James RB 6'1" 233 Pittsburgh 5.4
42(106) Seahawks (Compensatory Selection) Darboh, Amara WR 6'2" 214 Michigan 5.6
43(107) Buccaneers (Compensatory Selection - Jets) Beckwith, Kendell ILB 6'2" 243 LSU 5.6
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Old 04-29-2017, 12:00 AM
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NFL.com has these as the top-rated OL still available:

Johnson, Dorian OG 6'5" 300 Pittsburgh 5.7
Sharpe, David OT 6'6" 343 Florida 5.6
Banner, Zach OT 6'8" 353 USC 5.6
Siragusa, Nico OG 6'4" 319 San Diego St. 5.5
Holden, Will OT 6'7" 311 Vanderbilt 5.5
Johnson, Roderick OT 6'7" 298 Florida St. 5.5
Asiata, Isaac OG 6'3" 323 Utah 5.5
Buchanan, Collin OL 6'5" 316 Miami (OH) 5.5
Morgan, Jordan G 6'3" 309 Kutztown (PA) 5.4
Eluemunor, Jermaine OG 6'4" 332 Texas A&M 5.4
Bisnowaty, Adam OT 6'6" 304 Pittsburgh 5.4
Roullier, Chase C 6'4" 312 Wyoming 5.4
Collins, Aviante OT 6'4" 295 TCU 5.4
Gennesy, Avery OT 6'3" 318 Texas A&M 5.4
Mama, Damien G 6'3" 334 USC 5.4
Davenport, Julie'n OT 6'7" 318 Bucknell 5.3
Toth, Jon C 6'5" 307 Kentucky 5.3
Isidora, Danny G 6'3" 306 Miami 5.3
Dunker, Jessamen G 6'4" 318 Tennessee St. 5.2
Seaton, Brad OT 6'7" 310 Villanova 5.2
Eldrenkamp, Jake OG 6'5" 297 Washington 5.2
Orlosky, Tyler C 6'3" 298 West Virginia 5.2
Ware, Jylan OT 6'8" 295 Alabama St. 5.2
Austell, Erik OT 6'3" 301 Charleston Southern 5.2
Lee, Cameron OG 6'5" 312 Illinois St. 5.2
Fuller, Kyle C 6'5" 307 Baylor 5.1
Cooper, Ethan OL 6'2" 322 Indiana (PA) 5.1
Ugokwe, Jerry OT 6'7" 321 William & Mary 5.1
Joseph, Dieugot OT 6'6" 293 Florida International 5.1
Harlow, Sean OG 6'4" 303 Oregon St. 5.1
Skipper, Dan OT 6'10" 309 Arkansas 5.1

And there's more to the list. Don't think you can go too far wrong with any big conference OL....
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Old 04-29-2017, 12:25 AM
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No idea but rehabbing both knees at the same time sounds brutal.
It sounds impossible. Which is why I'd assumed that the team thinks he'll never play again and why I'm a little puzzled that they haven't done anything to address the need to this point. Obviously this is a historically bad draft for OL and the FA OL were obscenely expensive. But the need is plain.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:10 AM
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I don't have a big problem with Foreman since it's proven now that Blue is just a guy and they can't keep running Miller at the workload they put on him through last year. With that being said, I would have taken Perine over Foreman if the goal was to get a bruiser RB. Foreman has better 40 speed, but go look at their highlights and tell me who's better as far as breaking tackles and just powering through defenders. But hey, what do I know???
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Old 04-29-2017, 06:34 AM
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I'm ok with a mostly draft who's best available on your board, which appears is what Texans doing since no top OL remain when they draft.

Here are early draft grades from SI.com

Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson: Three quarterbacks in the top 12, three pricey trades up for the teams that took them. For the Texans to get from No. 25 to here, the cost was that 25th pick plus a 2018 first-rounder. Remember, the Browns already own Houston’s 2018 second-rounder, as part of the Brock Osweiler salary dump. But the Texans could not carry a playoff-ready roster into next season with Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden manning the QB depth chart. Watson threw too many interceptions in college and he’ll need time to transition into Bill O’Brien’s offense, but he is the most talented quarterback there by a wide margin. This has to work, because the Texans mortgaged their ‘18 draft to solve a mess of their own creation.​ GRADE: A-

Round 2, Pick 25 (No. 57)

Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt: Finally. Cunningham should not have made it this far, plain and simple. The knock on him has been his ability to wrap, which will have to be more consistent at the next level for him to remain a 100-tackle defender. The Texans already have Brian Cushing and Bernardick McKinney inside, where Cunningham will have to play in their 3-4. Does this pick signal an impending end of the line for Cushing’s Texans career?​ Grade: A


Round 3, Pick 25 (No. 89)

D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas: Bill O’Brien has said he wants to lighten Lamar Miller’s workload some this season, and Foreman absolutely will help do that. He’s a big back who runs like a small back—the cutting ability and speed could help him churn out yards in that Houston scheme.​ Grade: B+
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:31 AM
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I'm guessing Obi Melifonwu will be our pick if he's still there, I know the Texans where pretty high on him, Foreman, the RB out of Texas is my darkhorse. I'd be ecstatic with either one.
I was hoping we'd take Foreman in the 2nd, getting him in the 3rd was awesone. Hes's a load, can be an every down back that can handle any load. Too much Miller and Blue getting pushed back, Foreman is a definite improvement. Very nice draft so far, Cunningham in the 2nd was a steal, now Foreman in the 3rd
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Old 04-29-2017, 09:07 AM
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I can't complain so far about acquiring Watson, Cunningham or Foreman although I, like many, still wonder where help for the OL is coming from. Do you suppose the Texans are still counting on David Quessenberry to play tackle? He's still on the roster.

BTW, Foreman represents the first Texas Longhorn drafted by the Texans of any significance. There was the one guard Studdard but he was a free agent and a close friend of Kyle Shanahan. Otherwise, they've mostly shunned Longhorn players whether Austin was coming off good years or bad ones.
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Old 04-29-2017, 09:18 AM
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NFL.com has these as the top-rated OL still available:

Johnson, Dorian OG 6'5" 300 Pittsburgh 5.7
Sharpe, David OT 6'6" 343 Florida 5.6
Banner, Zach OT 6'8" 353 USC 5.6
Siragusa, Nico OG 6'4" 319 San Diego St. 5.5
Holden, Will OT 6'7" 311 Vanderbilt 5.5
Johnson, Roderick OT 6'7" 298 Florida St. 5.5
Asiata, Isaac OG 6'3" 323 Utah 5.5
Buchanan, Collin OL 6'5" 316 Miami (OH) 5.5
Morgan, Jordan G 6'3" 309 Kutztown (PA) 5.4
Eluemunor, Jermaine OG 6'4" 332 Texas A&M 5.4
Bisnowaty, Adam OT 6'6" 304 Pittsburgh 5.4
Roullier, Chase C 6'4" 312 Wyoming 5.4
Collins, Aviante OT 6'4" 295 TCU 5.4
Gennesy, Avery OT 6'3" 318 Texas A&M 5.4
Mama, Damien G 6'3" 334 USC 5.4
Davenport, Julie'n OT 6'7" 318 Bucknell 5.3
Toth, Jon C 6'5" 307 Kentucky 5.3
Isidora, Danny G 6'3" 306 Miami 5.3
Dunker, Jessamen G 6'4" 318 Tennessee St. 5.2
Seaton, Brad OT 6'7" 310 Villanova 5.2
Eldrenkamp, Jake OG 6'5" 297 Washington 5.2
Orlosky, Tyler C 6'3" 298 West Virginia 5.2
Ware, Jylan OT 6'8" 295 Alabama St. 5.2
Austell, Erik OT 6'3" 301 Charleston Southern 5.2
Lee, Cameron OG 6'5" 312 Illinois St. 5.2
Fuller, Kyle C 6'5" 307 Baylor 5.1
Cooper, Ethan OL 6'2" 322 Indiana (PA) 5.1
Ugokwe, Jerry OT 6'7" 321 William & Mary 5.1
Joseph, Dieugot OT 6'6" 293 Florida International 5.1
Harlow, Sean OG 6'4" 303 Oregon St. 5.1
Skipper, Dan OT 6'10" 309 Arkansas 5.1

And there's more to the list. Don't think you can go too far wrong with any big conference OL....
There's a lot of names there and I've read some positive stuff about Will Holden, the OT out of Vandy. He's certainly nothing special but he's probably servicible as he's a multi year starter at Vandy so he's got big league experience in the SEC. At Vandy he' played LT but most think he can switch and is more suited for RT. No he's not that good but he is experienced.
Been reading quite a bit in the Denver Post because the Broncos need a tackle as we do and those fans are really panning Elway for taking Bolles with the #20 overall because they feel the way I do which is Bolles has got bust written all over him. They say maybe in the second or third but he's just not a first round talent.
They think Elway should have gone BPA with the first round pick and settled for the dregs in this Draft when it comes to finding OT help or waited till later rounds.

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