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Old 03-02-2012, 06:15 PM
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The Saints have been busted for putting up bounties as high as $50,000 to hurt opposing players over the last 3 years. Greg Williams (recently hired by Jeff Fisher), ran the whole system and 22-27 players were involved.

I always thought their defense was dirty (Roman harper in particular). Tons of after the whistle stuff. It will be interesting what kind of penalties come down.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:36 PM
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Go back to that NFC Championship game against the Vikings and there was some absolutely brutal hits put on Favre. True, the old man needed to be put out of his misery but if you tell me the Saints D was playing that game with bounties in mind, I would believe it.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:36 AM
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It would be asinine to think this doesn't happen elsewhere, but the Saints are the ones who got busted and should be punished severely and made an example of. Strip the franchise of draft picks and give them a hefty fine. Suspend any player who is found to be participating in the funding of the pool, and definitely if they are proven to have hurt someone and received a payout.

As for anyone in authority who was participating in, condoning and/or managing the "program" (such as Williams, Loomis - and possibly Peyton) they should be banned from the league for life. A simple suspension will not send the right message, IMO. I know that sounds harsh, but I find it ridiculous that someone in authority in today's NFL would be so stupid to partake in something like that and they have no place in this league.

I understand the NFL is a violent game and players go out with the intention of hurting the opposition all the time, but this is different. It’s an organization rewarding their players for this sort of activity. What if someone knocked out Schaub or Foster with a cheap-shot only to find out a player on the other team got a bonus check for it? Shameful, really. Darn near makes me hope someone plants Brees next year just to see the Saints suffer with their 2nd or 3rd string QB.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:23 PM
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What if someone knocked out Schaub or Foster with a cheap-shot only to find out a player on the other team got a bonus check for it? Shameful, really.
You mean like Jared Allen (who went after Schaub's knees) or Drayton Florence (who gave Schaub a blindside KO after an interception)? Don't know if those were bounties but they were definitely cheap shots and what angered me most is that we didn't fight back. If someone cheap-shots your QB, you END THEIR CAREERS. You don't ask the refs to do it. You don't ask the league to fine them. You take care of your own business and you put them in the hospital. THAT'S how you stop other teams from cheap-shotting your guys.

I still remember Kyle Turley going postal on some Jets player who tried to hurt Aaron Brooks. And while he got fined and ejected, I guarantee you that sent a message to every other team in the league and there were probably 31 other starting QBs around the league that would have wanted Kyle Turley on their OL after seeing that.
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:04 PM
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You mean like Jared Allen (who went after Schaub's knees) or Drayton Florence (who gave Schaub a blindside KO after an interception)? Don't know if those were bounties but they were definitely cheap shots and what angered me most is that we didn't fight back. If someone cheap-shots your QB, you END THEIR CAREERS. You don't ask the refs to do it. You don't ask the league to fine them. You take care of your own business and you put them in the hospital. THAT'S how you stop other teams from cheap-shotting your guys.

I still remember Kyle Turley going postal on some Jets player who tried to hurt Aaron Brooks. And while he got fined and ejected, I guarantee you that sent a message to every other team in the league and there were probably 31 other starting QBs around the league that would have wanted Kyle Turley on their OL after seeing that.
I don't disagree with this at all. And yes, you'll always have ass-hat individuals like Allen and Florence. However, the Saints deal is damn near criminal in its organization and goal. It's disgusting to think a player who makes hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, and is in a small fraternity of players would knowingly accept a measley ~$1K or so to potentially ruin the career of another player.

Now players are coming out and saying Williams did the same thing in Washington. Like I said, the NFL should ban that a-hole for life. People will obviously have differing opinions on this, but mine is the NFL should come down hard wherever it has the power to on this.

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Old 03-03-2012, 02:55 PM
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It doesn't suprise me at all since Williams is a Fisher guy. I know many in Houston still love Fisher, but his teams are dirty and undisciplined. Fisher teams had 167 personal fouls in his 10 years with the Titans, the next highest in the league in that span was 136.

Other teams may have bounties, but I would hope it is unique that a coach as high up as a coordinator was running it and they have documentation that allowed them to be caught. This was not "the game of football." Football is a profession played by professionals. This is organized, sanctioned, approved, and rewarded dirty play. One of the hits that payed out literally ended Kurt Warner's career (last play he ever played they leveled him on the back side of an INT return).

I hope the punishment is severe. I think this is far worse than spygate. Though probably similar in that the Patriots were the worst cheaters (everyone steals signs, just without video), and the Saints are just the worst of those with a bounty system.

1st round pick sounds about right for the franchise. Player fines for all involved. Lengthy suspension for Williams and the unnamed position coach.
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