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Old 11-08-2012, 01:13 AM
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I'm just checking it now (11/7) and I'm seeing something different:

31. D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama (6-6, 340 - doesn't seem like a ZBS guy)
61. Steadman Bailey, WR. W. Virginia (5-10, 190)
93. Phillip Steward, ILB, Houston (6-2, 220 - pretty light for an ILB in 3-4)
125. Lane Taylor, OC, Oklahoma St. (6-2, 301 - what of Myers & Jones?)
157. Russell Shepard, RB, LSU (6-1, 188)
189. D.J. Swearinger, CB, S. Carolina (6-0, 210)

So lemme cherry-pick while I'm here:

31. Sylvester Williams, DT, N. Carolina (6-3, 320 - best marriage of need, talent left on the board)
61. Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford (6-3, 242)
93. Bradon Hansen, OG, BYU (6-6, 310 - older OL with game experience at all three positions, nimble enough for ZBS)
Comp pick: Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M (6-0, 204 - like his overall game and knack for big plays)
125. Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise St. (5-11, 194)
157. Theo Riddick, RB, Notre Dame (5-11, 198 - depth for an injury-prone position)
189. help at safety
7th round. BPA
I could live with this mock of theirs, and I like your mock also. Not a Swope fan currently, not sure he has the quickness the Texans need in the slot, which is where I think he projects. Plus I think he ends up in Miami.
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:39 PM
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I have some time to kill until the kickoff tonight. I hate the prime time start. So another mock from the cbssports.com rankings.

1 Barrett Jones OG Alabama Sr 6-4 305 Jones could be a 5 position guy in the NFL. He might be a super stud at the RT position, he is at worse LG in this league. A little short to play LT but he was 1st team all SEC at LT last season, so he has skills, he is currently playing OC for the Tide. This would give the Texans options on the OL. Brooks can play RG and possibly RT, Ben Jones can play both guards and OC, Barrett Jones could be one of three positions, LG/RG/RT, and be a starter next season and for the next 10 years.

2 Kevin Minter ILB LSU rJr 6-1 245 Would give the Texans another ILB to go with Sharpton (if he is recovered) and Cushing. Stout against the run and decent enough in pass coverage. Could be part of the 2 down ILB rotation.

3 Bacarri Rambo FS Georgia rSr 6-0 210 Rambo ( i love this name) has some dings to his off the field record, but on the field he is a stud. He might be a 2nd rounder but he currently #93 on cbssports.com and #81 on thehuddlereport.com. If he is here you take him. Adding playmakers to the safety position always helps the team.

3A supplemental pick Shayne Skov ILB Stanford Sr 6-3 242 If we ahev learned anything this season, having enough high level tackling machines to play the ILB position is a must. Skov is a high effort guy, a smart guy, can play the run or the pass. IMO he is a 2nd rounder, but cbssports has him as a 3-4 round guy, so I jump on him. I now have some insurance for Cushing and Sharpton.

4 Abry Jones DT Georgia Sr 6-3 308 Has had ankle surgery and will miss the rest of the regular season, has a chance to play in bowl game. Could become a sleeper type pick. Can play the 5 tech or can be move inside and be a disruptor in the backfield. Has long arms.

5 Jeremiah Attaochu OLB Georgia Tech Jr 6-2 240 Plays the strong side OLB in the 3-4 at Georgia Tech. A little on the short side, but....

5 supplemental Michael Williams TE Alabama rSr 6-5 272 Blocking TE who has receiving skills. Has size and strength at the point of attach in the run.

6 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame Sr 5-11 200 Any 6th rounder or later is a long shot to make this team, depending FA losses.

7 Quinn Sharp P Oklahoma State rSr 6-1 205 see comment above.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:48 AM
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I think this next draft is going to be heavy at OL with a sprinkle of ILB and OLB - with an eye on ST players. Wouldn't surprise me to see 3 of our first 4 picks (hopefully we get a #3 for Mario) go to OL.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:49 AM
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So PK, I gather you think that xtra 3 & 5 are comp picks ?
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:27 PM
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So PK, I gather you think that xtra 3 & 5 are comp picks ?
Yes, a 3rd for Mario, and a 5th for Briesel. We might get a 7th also. Brady James will count against us in the formula, so not sure of the comp picks.

Sorry I called them supplemental.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:30 PM
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Default Draftsite.com 11.14.12

32 Keenan Allen* WR Cal 6' 3" 195
62 Oday Aboushi OT Virginia 6' 6" 310
94 Sonny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
126 John Boyett S Oregon 5' 10" 198
158 Russell Shepard RB LSU 6' 1" 188
190 Will Compton ILB Nebraska 6' 2" 230

I could live with this.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:16 PM
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Having watched Vacarro at Texas, he will probably win a job on special teams because he makes memorable hits but he hits more than he tackles and I'd rather have defensive backs who tackle receivers instead of throwing a shoulder into them and hoping they fall down.

Watch the better defenses in the NFL and you'll see them wrap up and bring down ball carriers in the open field. The Texas players, regrettably, don't do this which is why they are 85th in defense. They just don't tackle; they hit and hope he falls.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:38 PM
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Having watched Vacarro at Texas, he will probably win a job on special teams because he makes memorable hits but he hits more than he tackles and I'd rather have defensive backs who tackle receivers instead of throwing a shoulder into them and hoping they fall down.

Watch the better defenses in the NFL and you'll see them wrap up and bring down ball carriers in the open field. The Texas players, regrettably, don't do this which is why they are 85th in defense. They just don't tackle; they hit and hope he falls.
I am also not a fan of Vacarro and his tackling, but for a national mock draftsite did a decent mock for us IMO. I agree Safety is a position we may need to target in the draft, and again I want to be on the record, This is not a good draft class as of right now, and the Texans are very deep currently, that can change after early March and the FA are signed, so I am not worrying about the later rounds.

Might be a good year to trade up into the late teens or early 20's to pick.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:33 PM
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We've seen Rick Smith trade down a few times. I can't recall him trading up with a target in mind. I might be wrong but I don't really recall a "The _____ have traded out of their pick and with that pick the Texans select...." since the infamous Babin trade which was done by Chatty Casserley.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:25 PM
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We've seen Rick Smith trade down a few times. I can't recall him trading up with a target in mind. I might be wrong but I don't really recall a "The _____ have traded out of their pick and with that pick the Texans select...." since the infamous Babin trade which was done by Chatty Casserley.
Rick has done it in the later rounds, Ben Tate came after a trade down then a trade back up, but he has never done one in the 1st round.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:23 PM
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31 Houston Texans: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor
The Texans have needed a No. 2 receiver for years, but now that Andre Johnson is declining, it won't be long before they have to secure a new No. 1 wideout for Matt Schaub.

Pick change; previously Jesse Williams, NT
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62 Houston Texans: Margus Hunt, DE/DT, SMU
The Texans, with very few needs, can afford to take the best player available. Antonio Smith will be a free agent following the 2013 season, so Houston will need someone to step in starting in 2014.

Pick change; previously Ricky Wagner, OT
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93 Houston Texans: Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia
Glover Quin is a free agent this upcoming offseason. It'll be difficult to retain him with Connor Barwin also hitting the market.

Pick change; previously Duke Williams, S
IMO I trade up or I trade down, trading down I look like this

2a Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford Or biggest need is currently ILB depth and future
2b Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (after the trade down)
3 Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia - I could live with Rambo
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:05 PM
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31 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas 6' 3" 209
61 Shawn Williams S Georgia 6' 1" 220
93 Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State 6' 2" 234
125 Brad Madison DE Missouri 6' 4" 250
157 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
189 Taylor Reed ILB Southern Methodist 5' 11" 215

Decent enough

I would change a few picks:

31 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford 6' 4" 240
61 Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 6' 1" 208
93 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
125 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame 5' 11" 198
157 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
189 BPA

My names are starting to be familiar.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:55 AM
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I would only take an OLB in the first round if we aren't keeping Barwin. Otherwise, we have enough invested with Barwin, Reed and Mercilus. Of course, Cushing was an OLB in college so there could be the plan to convert such a pick to the inside.

I'd sure rather see a big body in the middle or the top ILB at the bottom of Round 1.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:12 PM
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I would only take an OLB in the first round if we aren't keeping Barwin. Otherwise, we have enough invested with Barwin, Reed and Mercilus. Of course, Cushing was an OLB in college so there could be the plan to convert such a pick to the inside.

I'd sure rather see a big body in the middle or the top ILB at the bottom of Round 1.
Chase Thomas is a guy I can see playing either inside or the outside in our system. He is on the small side for a full time OLB in Wade's system, but he certainly could be an ILB in the base defense and a pass rusher with quickness in some passing down packages.

Also I am thinking Barwin is gone if he is offered a decent size contract from someone, but that happening is looking more unlikely.

Skov is a more traditional ILB, and we need to upgrade the depth at ILB.

That would give the Texans Cushing coming of IR, Sharpton who will have missed half this season, Dobbins and Skov as full time ILB and Thomas as a swing guy going from ILB to OLB depending on the package.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:05 PM
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Until we know Wade Phillips plans beyond this year, wouldn't it be premature to sign/resign any LBs ?
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:23 PM
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Until we know Wade Phillips plans beyond this year, wouldn't it be premature to sign/resign any LBs ?
Maybe not. If we promote a DC from within if Phillips leaves, then the schemes are likely to remain the same. I think it would be foolish, after our personnel decisions of the past two years, to switch back to a 4-3 base.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:35 PM
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Maybe not. If we promote a DC from within if Phillips leaves, then the schemes are likely to remain the same. I think it would be foolish, after our personnel decisions of the past two years, to switch back to a 4-3 base.
I completely agree, going back to a 4-3 right now is not the best move IMO.

My problem is which guy would you go with? Reggie called the defense last year during the game Wade missed, and the team sucked that week. I like the young DB coach, Vance Joseph, but he has no experience calling defenses. Kollar was here during the bad defense years, so can he be an answer, not sure.

IMO we need to keep Wade here as long as we can.

edit note a name to add to the mix:
John Pagano DC for the Chargers, he has worked with Wade with the Chargers, might not be a fit, but then again...
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:29 AM
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Added a few names to the watch list, give me some more names to add.
Added names are in green.



Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-1 218
Landry Jones QB Oklahoma rSr 6-4 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-3 220
Logan Thomas QB Virginia Tech Jr 6-5 254
Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-6 210

Montee Ball RB Wisconsin Sr 5-09 212
Knile Davis RB Arkansas Sr 6-0 226
Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina 5-11 233hurt
Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma St. 6-0 191
Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame 5' 11" 198

Da'Rick Rogers WR Tennessee Jr 6-2 215
Robert Woods WR USC Jr 6-1 181
Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205

Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame Jr 6-6 249

James Hurst OT North Carolina Jr 6-6 313
Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M Jr 6-5 310
Morgan Moses OT Virginia Jr 6-5 335
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan Jr 6-7 305
Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M 6-5 305
Zach Martin OT Notre Dame 6' 4" 280

Alex Okafor OLB/DE Texas Sr 6-4 260
Jackson Jeffcoat OLB/DE Texas Jr 6-5 253
Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU Jr 6-4 245
Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn Jr 6-3 242
Sam Montgomery OLB LSU Jr 6-4 245
William Gholston DE Michigan ST Jr 6-7 280
Bjoern Werner* DE Florida State 6' 4" 273
Lerentee McCray OLB Florida 6' 3" 249


Kawann Short DT Purdue rSr 6-3 310
Star Lotulelei DT Utah Sr 6-3 325
Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio St Jr 6-3 335
Spencer Nealy DT Texas A&M Sr 6-5 277

Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame Sr 6-2 255 love this kid and we no shot at him
Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina Sr 6-2 240
Chase Thomas ILB/ OLB Stanford rSr 6-4 240
Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
*Kevin Minter ILB LSU rJr 6-1 245


T.J. McDonald FS Southern California Sr 6-2 205
Shawn Williams SS Georgia 6' 1" 220
Bacarri Rambo FS Georgia 6' 1" 208

Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU Jr 5-9 185
David Amerson CB NC St. Jr 6-3 194
Tharold Simon CB LSU Jr 6-3 188
Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St Jr 6-2 210
Carrington Byndom CB Texas Jr 6-0 181
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:39 PM
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32 Stedman Bailey* WR West Virginia 5' 10" 190
62 Shawn Williams S Georgia 6' 1" 220
94 Jamie Collins OLB Southern Miss 6' 3" 239
126 Brad Madison DE Missouri 6' 4" 250
158 Russell Shepard RB LSU 6' 1" 188
190 Taylor Reed ILB Southern Methodist 5' 11" 215

Decent enough mock for this time of year.

My attempt:

32 Bjoern Werner* DE Florida State 6' 4" 273.
62 Shawn Williams S Georgia 6' 1" 220
94 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
126 Lerentee McCray OLB Florida 6' 3" 249
158 Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame 5' 11" 198
190 Marcus Davis WR Virginia Tech Sr 6'4" 232
222 Spencer Nealy NT Texas A&M 6'4" 280

Cheated a little bit, can you find it? Werner is a big play maker when big plays are needed, sound familiar? He has the size to groom into a DE in this system.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:26 AM
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31 Houston Texans: Matt Elam, S, Florida
Glover Quin is a free agent this upcoming offseason. It'll be difficult to retain him with Connor Barwin also hitting the market. Besides, Houston needs a boost in the secondary after allowing Chad Henne and Matthew Stafford to torch them in a span of five days.

Pick change; previously Tavon Austin, WR
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61 Houston Texans: Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas
The Texans have needed a No. 2 receiver for years, but now that Andre Johnson is into his 30s, it won't be long before they have to secure a new No. 1 wideout for Matt Schaub.

Pick change; previously Oday Aboushi, OT
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93 Houston Texans: Brian Winters, OT, Kent State
The Texans were interested in bringing in a right tackle early in the 2012 NFL Draft, but they never got the chance. Well, here's their opportunity. The position will have to be addressed if the currently injured Rashad Butler can't properly fill in for Eric Winston.

Pick change; previously Phillip Thomas, S
I don't disagree with taking a S and a WR in the early part of this upcoming draft, but I have been impressed with the growth that Newton has shown. Especially when I factor in the learning curve that Brown had to undergo, Newton played at a small school and had a huge jump up in quality of talent he was playing against. Not saying he is All Pro, but he is doing well.

That all said, If I was doing these picks I would go with Barrett Jones, G/C/OT, Alabama (who they take 32), and then I would run to the podium with the Cobi Hamilton pick at 62. I would address Safety, NT or ILB in the 3rd.

Jones can play all 5 positions on the OL, he has started and excelled at LT and OC at Bama. He, Jones and Brooks would give you versatility in the OL.
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