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Old 04-26-2008, 07:10 PM
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The Jags just took their second edge rusher....they now have Harvey and Groves
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:14 PM
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I couldn't recall the last time there were no Longhorns selected in the first round (probably around 1999 or 2000). Now 2/3rds of the second round have gone by and still no Horns.

I would have thought Sweed, at least, would be gone by now. I also expected somebody to bite on Charles by now, even though I'm not that big on him.
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:17 PM
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Sweed to the Steelers.......
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:43 PM
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Dolphins and Packers just chose QBs in the second, diminishing Sage's trade value even further.
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:44 PM
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man, i dont understand everyone being down on the pick of brown. everyone in the league praised the texans when they got gibbs because he is the best of the best OL coaches. i think if he had brown targeted then we should at least wait and see how he turns out. we also got an extra 3rd rounder, which given our depth issues SHOULD be a starter. given the track record of the new regime i feel everyone should give them the benefit of the doubt. our third rounders under kubiak and later smith have been spencer, winston and jacoby. if they get two players of that quality in addition to brown we will be a much improved team. not to mention their success with the 4th round (bennett and daniels). everyone needs to take a step back and hold their opinions until after tomorrow.

as i said earlier, i don't know a lot about brown, but i dont think it is a horrible pick. anyone who is disappointed about not taking a rb needs to wake up. everyone knew they werent taking one in the first round.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:15 PM
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Anybody got an opinion of John Harris on Radio 1560 here in Houston ?
I was listenting to their Draft show today, and he says he saw Brown in college and went to see him practice this year in Houston at the East-West
college post-season game. He said Brown looked like about a 4th round talent at the E-W game workouts. That's not at all encouraging, but maybe this Harris guy dosen't have a clue about Olinemen ? I sure hope he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:48 PM
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In the press conference, Kubiak and Smith said that another team, sounded like the Seahawks, called asking about moving up a couple spots to 26. Obviously, as Smith said, the Texans "respectfully declined".

Shows a couple things, namely that they has Brown 'in the bullseye' (sorry, couldn't resist ), but that they felt the dropoff from Brown to the next LT on their board was pretty big. Still, turning down the opportunity for another pick, speculated by me to maybe have been around a late 4th, also shows that the Texans might have been a little guilty of being too focused on a single player.

So, good for them to pick the guy they wanted (after a couple others had already been selected), but I wonder how much risk there really was to having Brown slip just a couple more picks. That extra pick sounds tempting to me.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:54 PM
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The positives: We needed a LT to protect Schaub from Freeney, Van DenBosch, and Harvey. We were able to trade down and get more picks.

The negatives: This was a reach. Antoine Cason was selected right after us. Carl Nicks and Jeremy Zuttah are still on the board when the 3rd round starts tomorrow. What good is it to have Gibbs as a coach if we have to reach on a guy in the 1st round that he thinks he can work with? The selling point on Gibbs was that he could make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Branden Frye was my player to benefit the most out of this.
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Old 04-26-2008, 08:59 PM
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...The selling point on Gibbs was that he could make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Branden Frye was my player to benefit the most out of this.
That's one way of looking at it, but the way I see it... Gibbs probably won't be with the Texans for the long term, and we are looking at a 1 or 2 year window where Gibbs can solve the LT issue. If Gibbs feels comfortable with the guy, and thinks he can groom him as our long term LT starter, I am all for it.
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Old 04-26-2008, 09:08 PM
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Branden Frye was my player to benefit the most out of this.
Who was of course was this guys teammate last year when he played LT and Brown played on the other side at RT. And Frye was our 5th rounder in 2006 which leads to the obvious conclusion that the price for VA-Tech LTs
is inflating exponentially.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:11 PM
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For most of us, this is too much a trust that we know what we are looking at type pick. At least there was an extra couple of picks added before we seemingly reached (according to the draftsperts). The highest I saw Brown rated outside of "the General's" column was the mid 2nd. Does the mean the the Texans are wrong? No, but really outside of the Ryans and Okoye picks, which ones have really had the agreement of the masses?
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:33 PM
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No, but really outside of the Ryans and Okoye picks, which ones have really had the agreement of the masses?
Excellent point, but I would add Eric Winston to this list.

Personally, I am pretty excited about this. Draftniks scout for a general, middle-of-the-road system, and the Texans O-line scheme does not fall into this category. So, because of that, I take a lot of this pre-draft internet scouting with a grain of salt.

Everyone- Use your eyes and watch this guy. This is arguably the fastest and most athletic left tackle available in the draft. The Texans finally selected a LT in the first round, and they traded down to get him to boot. Definition of a win-win.

Will he start from Day One? Probably not, but I'm not sure I want any rookie LT protecting Schaub, at least to start the season. Salaam (and Pitts?) can play caretaker for just a little bit longer, maybe even just a half season, as Brown learns the ropes.
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:04 PM
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Draftniks scout for a general, middle-of-the-road system, and the Texans O-line scheme does not fall into this category. So, because of that, I take a lot of this pre-draft internet scouting with a grain of salt.
Exactly, and a lot of the internet sites I've seen have even mentioned that he's perfect for the zone blocking scheme, but still list him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. As I've said before, Gibbs knows this system better than anyone, and Kubiak and Smith have proven they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:52 PM
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Interesting pick. I hope it doesn't take more than a season to get Brown ready to take the reigns. Because I doubt we can get much more than one more season out of Salaam. And if we can't consistently protect Schaub, who knows if what happened to Carr's potential happens to Matt's.
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:53 PM
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Just curious

I know the "draftniks" said Brown was a 2nd 3rd or 4th rounder (and maybe we reached) but I wonder if they knew 7 OTs would go before 26?

positive side from what I have read.. the negatives seem to be coachable (lazy hands, stands too far up etc)

I don't expect him to start so we can groom him,but if he starts that would be a bonus (obviously)
Gibbs coaching him should help

TC with time against Mario should help him too

but I am just blurting out my thoughts with no real evidence

maybe vinny or some of y'all can correct me or give me some thoughts (maybe I am speaking out of my piehole)
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:28 AM
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TC with time against Mario should help him too

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Hmmm... this brings up a good point. I hope Gibbs won't be practicing cut blocking on Mario or the other DLs.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:04 AM
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The Jags just took their second edge rusher....they now have Harvey and Groves
Those guys have serious quicks. Looks like that punk Del Rio is going to try to have his crew knock out QB's.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:08 AM
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That's what's great about having both ESPN and NFLN. Chances are they won't both F'up at the same time, and sure enough, ESPN held par and NFLN came through.
IMO I like the crew on the NFNL much better than the ESPN guys. Early on I switched back and forth, the latter part of the day I stayed exclusively on the NFLN.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:18 AM
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I thought we reached for Brown at the time but after the draft and now that more information has come to light it seems like a good pick for us.

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Old 04-27-2008, 08:18 AM
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Just curious

I know the "draftniks" said Brown was a 2nd 3rd or 4th rounder (and maybe we reached) but I wonder if they knew 7 OTs would go before 26?

positive side from what I have read.. the negatives seem to be coachable (lazy hands, stands too far up etc)

I don't expect him to start so we can groom him,but if he starts that would be a bonus (obviously)
Gibbs coaching him should help

TC with time against Mario should help him too

but I am just blurting out my thoughts with no real evidence

maybe vinny or some of y'all can correct me or give me some thoughts (maybe I am speaking out of my piehole)
I saw Va Tech play 3 or 4 times and he did not stand out to me either way. From various sources that I have read he has first round physical talent, but played LT only one year and probably played at level of mid-rounder. This makes him a developmental guy which could mean a couple of years before the Texans actually have any idea of what they have.

Your observation on the early run on OLmen is accuarate imo. The guy rom BC and Sam Backer were also both thought of by the draft community as 2nd rounders, but went in the first also. If the Texans were going address OT, they were going to have to "reach" to do it.

Also, we tend to put too much stock in the general boards that draftniks produce. The draft board of a specific team is generally only about 100-150 players who are very specific to schemes and needs of a particular team. On top of that go figure, all 32 teams don't rate players the same way.
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