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Old 03-07-2009, 08:00 AM
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I have reservations about taking Matthews at #15 ? Actually I dunno if any of the USC LBs are worthy of the 15th pick ?
1560 had a guy on the other day named Mike Lombardi (dunno if any relation to the late, great coach ?), who said he couldn't find Cushing on the Trojans tape on third downs, suggesting he's like Rey-Rey in that he's not an every down player.
Hopefully we can make a trade to get down into the 20s where one of the USC LBs might be a reasonable value ?
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:01 AM
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a guy on the other day named Mike Lombardi (dunno if any relation to the late, great coach ?),
He's a former Al Davis employee.
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:15 PM
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Nice picks, Roy. I think sometimes people get too caught up in what player goes in what round. If you just look at that group of players and say that we can add these guys to the roster next season, you would have to be very happy.

I think I am going to wait awhile to do another drafttek mock. They update two or three times a week, and I keep bouncing all over the place. The nice thing is that virtually every mock that anyone has come up with in this thread should really benefit the team next year.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:16 PM
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OK time to go outside my box,

15 Chris Wells RBF Ohio State
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Jonathan Luigs OC Arkansas
108 Zack Follett OLB43 California
118 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
144 Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

Turned out a little offensive heavy, but ...
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Old 03-07-2009, 09:24 PM
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OK time to go outside my box,

15 Chris Wells RBF Ohio State
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Jonathan Luigs OC Arkansas
108 Zack Follett OLB43 California
118 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
144 Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

Turned out a little offensive heavy, but ...
IMO PK, you need to get back in the box. LOL That isn't a draft I would be smiling about about.
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:08 PM
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OK time to go outside my box,

15 Chris Wells RBF Ohio State

204 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State
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Really? You want 2 "big" backs?
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:36 AM
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Really? You want 2 "big" backs?
Wells is big but doesnt play like a big back.
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Old 03-08-2009, 01:58 AM
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Wells is big but doesnt play like a big back.
Wells reminds me of Ron Dayne, a big back who thinks he's a scat back.

This more of a draft I can see Casserly bringing us. They are all good solid players, but....
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Old 03-08-2009, 09:33 AM
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Wells reminds me of Ron Dayne, a big back who thinks he's a scat back.

This more of a draft I can see Casserly bringing us. They are all good solid players, but....
I was thinking of another Buckeye, Jonathan Wells.
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Old 03-08-2009, 09:43 PM
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OK time to go outside my box,

15 Chris Wells RBF Ohio State
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Jonathan Luigs OC Arkansas
108 Zack Follett OLB43 California
118 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
144 Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

Turned out a little offensive heavy, but ...
How about 3 RBs?

15. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 23 35.5" 2.64 1.49 10'1" 6.9 4.18
46. S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50 16 37" 2.6 1.49 10"3" 6.84 4.26
77. RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47 24 37" 2.58 1.47 9'7" 7.35 4.33
108. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63 35 9'10" 7 4.23
118. DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03 30 29.5" 2.87 1.72 8'7" 7.52 4.55
144. S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38 19 37.5" 2.53 1.44 10'7" 7.27 4.38
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42 26 33" 2.53 1.47 9'8" 6.93 4.18
204. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51 25 33.5" 2.62 1.5 9'8"
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Old 03-08-2009, 09:44 PM
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OK time to go outside my box,

15 Chris Wells RBF Ohio State
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Jonathan Luigs OC Arkansas
108 Zack Follett OLB43 California
118 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College
144 Kaluka Maiava OLB43 USC
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

Turned out a little offensive heavy, but ...
How about 3 RBs, 2 LBs, and 2 S?

15. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 23 35.5" 2.64 1.49 10'1" 6.9 4.18
46. S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50 16 37" 2.6 1.49 10"3" 6.84 4.26
77. RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47 24 37" 2.58 1.47 9'7" 7.35 4.33
108. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63 35 9'10" 7 4.23
118. DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03 30 29.5" 2.87 1.72 8'7" 7.52 4.55
144. S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38 19 37.5" 2.53 1.44 10'7" 7.27 4.38
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42 26 33" 2.53 1.47 9'8" 6.93 4.18
204. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51 25 33.5" 2.62 1.5 9'8"
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:55 PM
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Wells reminds me of Ron Dayne, a big back who thinks he's a scat back.

This more of a draft I can see Casserly bringing us. They are all good solid players, but....

Perhaps Wells doesn't have a good NFL career... I don't know. That being said, he is way more explosive running the ball than Dayne ever was. Not only is he faster than Dayne but he gets to his top end speed much quicker.

Wells is big and quick. Dayne was very big and thought he was quick. That's not the same thing.
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Old 03-08-2009, 11:01 PM
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How about 3 RBs, 2 LBs, and 2 S?

15. LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62 23 35.5" 2.64 1.49 10'1" 6.9 4.18
46. S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50 16 37" 2.6 1.49 10"3" 6.84 4.26
77. RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47 24 37" 2.58 1.47 9'7" 7.35 4.33
108. LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63 35 9'10" 7 4.23
118. DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03 30 29.5" 2.87 1.72 8'7" 7.52 4.55
144. S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38 19 37.5" 2.53 1.44 10'7" 7.27 4.38
175. RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42 26 33" 2.53 1.47 9'8" 6.93 4.18
204. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51 25 33.5" 2.62 1.5 9'8"
I think the third round is too early to take a RB that has proven so little. Look at the tape we had on Slaton- and he went in the third round last year.
I'm not opposed to the idea that a RB with limited college success can be become a quality NFL player. As a matter of a fact, I think limited college carries can be a selling point... more mileage left on the tires. However, at that point in the draft, I'd at least like to see a compilation of impressive highlights, even if his seasonal stats don't show a ton... Anyway, I just can't see taking Brown rounds before guys like Glen Coffee, Quatrel Johnson, Peerman, Ian Johnson, etc... I just don't see what separates him from them.
I'm willing to be persuaded though!
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Old 03-08-2009, 11:09 PM
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I think the third round is too early to take a RB that has proven so little. Look at the tape we had on Slaton- and he went in the third round last year.
I'm not opposed to the idea that a RB with limited college success can be become a quality NFL player. As a matter of a fact, I think limited college carries can be a selling point... more mileage left on the tires. However, at that point in the draft, I'd at least like to see a compilation of impressive highlights, even if his seasonal stats don't show a ton... Anyway, I just can't see taking Brown rounds before guys like Glen Coffee, Quatrel Johnson, Peerman, Ian Johnson, etc... I just don't see what separates him from them.
I'm willing to be persuaded though!
Agreed. We definatly need better value for our 3rd round pick than Brown.
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Old 03-09-2009, 01:57 AM
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How about 3 RBs, 2 LBs, and 2 S?
Saw that on your 1st post, Think about it, other than Raji, there is not many NT in this draft that excite me. I would rather see what last years 5th rounder has to offer with the new coach and and offseason of NFL weight rooms, then draft most of the NT guys in the 2nd day of this draft.

As for your LBs, do you think Ellerbe can be a SAM?

i want to get as many young RB in our system as possible, so 3 drafted is not a problem for me. Heck keep an eye on KC, have they released Jackie Battle yet? How about Denver is Alridge a FA yet?
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:51 AM
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other than Raji, there is not many NT in this draft that excite me.

As for your LBs, do you think Ellerbe can be a SAM?

i want to get as many young RB in our system as possible, so 3 drafted is not a problem for me.
Other than Raji, I'm not sure if there are any true NTs in the draft. Miller, Harris, Knighton, and Pryor would all be projects (like Okam). Magee is just another 3-tech that I could rotate to keep Okoye fresh for 16 games without having to rely upon Zgonina to get some pass rush.

Drafting Ellerbe and Matthews gives me some flexibility. Ellerbe could play WILL and stay on the field in passing downs when Matthews might be dropped down to DE from the SAM. Or I could have Ellerbe line up at the SAM and replace the WILL with Adibi on passing downs. Just a thought.

The reason I grabbed Brown in the 3rd is because NOBODY knows who will be available later in the draft. I hate the idea of projecting I COULD get Ian Johnson or Javarris Williams on the 2nd day, and then have them come off the board earlier than predicted. Andre Brown is big enough to push the pile, but quick enough to be a one-cut ZBS RB like Terrell Davis. Yeah, I said it. TD was a low mileage college guy just like Brown. Brown has some injuries that prevented the college production. His Senior Bowl practices, Senior Bowl game, and Combine should make GMs savvy enough to take him in the 3rd round.

Ideally, I want 4 RBs on the roster. 2 Fast guys (Slaton and Johnson) and 2 Big guys (Brown and Williams). If one of the fast guys gets hurt, I have a backup. Same thing for the big RBs. Therefore, Brown has the highest need in that he is my first Big guy and my first complement to Slaton.
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Old 03-09-2009, 07:47 PM
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Ideally, I want 4 RBs on the roster. 2 Fast guys (Slaton and Johnson) and 2 Big guys (Brown and Williams). If one of the fast guys gets hurt, I have a backup. Same thing for the big RBs. Therefore, Brown has the highest need in that he is my first Big guy and my first complement to Slaton.
One of the things that intrigues me about Gartrell Johnson is he has the size to be a FB, but he can also run with the ball. In the past, Kubiak has shown a reluctance to carry that 4th RB that most teams carry, so having a guy that can be a RB and a FB gives us an option for the big guy backup.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:53 PM
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1. Clay Matthews OLB USC
2. Max Unger C Oregon
3. Chip Vaughn SS Wake Forest
4. Lawrence Sidbury Jr. Richmond
4. James Davis RB Clemson
5. TJ Lang OG Eastern Michigan
6. Johnny Knox WR Abiline Christian
7. Mark Parson CB Ohio

Wanted to add another linebacker in the fourth but I didn't see the value anywhere and I didn't want to reach. There were some in the 5th but TJ Lang is too good to pass up there even with the addition of Unger in round two. You can never have too many good players in the trenches.
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:39 PM
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That's a pretty nice draft. I don't know that Unger will be there in the 2nd, though. Drafttek is almost too good to be true in most rounds, as to who will be available. I know it is a composite draft. Must be some really unrealistic mocks out there.
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:54 PM
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The March 13th draft has us taking

15 Clay Matthews OLB USC
46 Robert Ayers DE43 Tennessee
77 Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech
108 Michael Hamlin SS Clemson
118 Alex Magee DT43 Purdue
144 Mike Goodson RBC Texas A&M
175 Louis Vasquez OG Texas Tech
204 Lydon Murtha OT Nebraska

I used the visit list and cherry picked this draft:

15 Clay Matthews OLB USC
46 William Moore SS Missouri
77 Cody Brown OLB43 Connecticut
108 Jaimie Thomas OG Maryland
118 Kory Sheets RBF Purdue
144 C.J. Spillman FS Marshall
175 Johnny Knox WRS Abilene Christian
204 Marlon Lucky RB Nebraska

Not my best effort,
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