2013 Mocks and Needs

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

29 Matt Elam* S Florida 5' 10" 199
59 T.J. McDonald S USC 6' 2" 205
91 Braxston Cave OC Notre Dame 6' 3" 303
123 Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M 6' 0" 204
155 Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6' 2" 290
187 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205
219 Rod Sweeting CB Georgia Tech 6' 0" 184

Not a very good mock IMO.

I agree 100%!

What do u think about:

29. Jonathan Banks CB Miss St 6'2" 200
59. Ezekiel Ansah 3-4DE BYU 6'6" 275
75*. Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tenn 6'3" 205
91. Robert Lester S Alabama 6'2" 210
123. Jamie Collins OLB/ILB S. Miss 6'3" 239
155. Mike Gillislee Florida RB 5'11" 209
187. Braden Brown OT BYU 6'5" 302
219. Greg Blair ILB Cinn 6'2" 240


*Ben Tate trade to New Orleans.

[Nconroe]

Agree it was a lousy mock posted from draftsite on 1.8

On your alternates, I'm good with first two picks.

Rest maybe ok, but early.

Doesn't N.O. already have like 4 RB's ?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I agree 100%!

What do u think about:

29. Jonathan Banks CB Miss St 6'2" 200
59. Ezekiel Ansah 3-4DE BYU 6'6" 275
75*. Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tenn 6'3" 205
91. Robert Lester S Alabama 6'2" 210
123. Jamie Collins OLB/ILB S. Miss 6'3" 239
155. Mike Gillislee Florida RB 5'11" 209
187. Braden Brown OT BYU 6'5" 302
219. Greg Blair ILB Cinn 6'2" 240


*Ben Tate trade to New Orleans.

Yours is better then theirs was by far. Another way this could go:

29 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas 6' 3" 209
59 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
91 Shayne Skov ILB Stanford 6' 3" 242
123 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
155 Joseph Fauria TE UCLA 6' 8" 252
187 Josh Dworaczyk OG LSU 6' 6" 295
219 Sanders Commings CB Georgia 6' 2" 216

And I agree with Nconroe, don't the Saints have a stable of backs? And does Tate have any value with his track record of being hurt 2 of his 3 years?

[Blitzwood]

Not a bad one PK.

As for the Tate trade, We know the Texans are
gonna make some trade(s), it's anybody's guess who or what it involves. That said, I believe Tate would be an upgrade to Pierre Thomas, but they do have 4 RB's on their roster NC, point taken.

I would trade Tate for a third rounder (or fourth rounder for that matter)and attempt to draft a RB in the later rounds. The more I look at this draft class, the better I feel about the talent coming out this year, besides QB.

[painekiller]

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Tony Jefferson* S Oklahoma 5' 10" 199
89 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
217 Terrence Brown* CB Stanford 6' 1" 178

This is not a bad one. I would be happy with Williams at 27. Don't see Jefferson's as the prototype safety size wise that they look for. I was not impressed by Williams pass rush. So I might go this way

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 2053
57 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
89 Robert Lester S Alabama 6' 2" 207
121 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-5 272
217 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205

[HPF Bob]

Maybe we could have an all-Williams draft...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Tony Jefferson* S Oklahoma 5' 10" 199
89 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6' 4" 320
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6' 6" 240
217 Terrence Brown* CB Stanford 6' 1" 178

This is not a bad one. I would be happy with Williams at 27. Don't see Jefferson's as the prototype safety size wise that they look for. I was not impressed by Williams pass rush. So I might go this way

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 2053
57 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
89 Robert Lester S Alabama 6' 2" 207
121 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-5 272
217 Nick Florence QB Baylor 6' 1" 205

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

But we're starting 2 former CBs at Safety (Manning and Quinn). With the development of the TE position, the rules on contact over the middle, and the lean towards passing in general, I think Safeties will get smaller and faster.

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

TE have been getting taller and faster, a mismatch problem for a smaller safety. When a 6'5" TE can put the 5'10" Safety on his hip and out reach the guy in the Red Zone, 4.3 speed will not be a factor.

Just watch Graham or Gronk play, they eat smaller safeties for lunch, and they out run LBs for dessert.

Quinn played great against TEs. He eliminated 6'6" Gresham in the wildcard round. You will not find guys who can compete size-wise with gronkowski and also run with him. The position is moving towards smaller guys (Quinn, McCourty, Woodson, and others all moved to safety this year to get more guys who can run and cover on the field).

[painekiller]

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
217 Travis Howard CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190

I could live with this one. I would make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6' 3" 205
57 Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 6' 1" 215
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Brennan Williams OT UNC 6' 7" 315
153 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech 6' 2" 246
185 Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
217 Travis Howard CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190

I could live with this one. I would make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering.

27. Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee 6' 3" 205
57. Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89. Gerald Hodges OLB Penn St 6' 2" 240
121. DeVonte Holloman S South Carolina 6' 2" 226
153. Robert Alford CB S.E. Louisiana 5' 11" 195
185. Vince Williams ILB Florid St 6' 1" 250
217. T.J. Johnson OC S. Carolina 6'6" 319

I thought the first was decent; my cherry pick. If only...

[painekiller]

27 Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia 6' 3" 232
57 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89 Tavarres King WR Georgia 6' 1" 184
121 Greg Reid CB Valdosta State 5' 9" 175
153 Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6' 2" 290
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Ryan Otten TE San Jose State 6' 6" 245

I like Ogletree, but I am not sure he is big enough to be ILB for Wade. And I am not sure that OT is a top need.

27 Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee 6' 3" 205
57 Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 6' 1" 208
89 Jordan Hill DT Penn State 6' 1" 297
121 Nico Johnson ILB/OLB Alabama 6' 3" 238
153 A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State 6' 1" 240
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280

I would have liked to get an OL at some point in this, but I failed to do so.

[chuck]

Man, I'm so down on this team that it's hard for me to get any clarity on where we are and what we need.

I'm with you in thinking that OT and even OL in general is not a real need. Cush is the only ILB on the field in nickel and dime so do you really want to go first overall on a guy who can only play a third of defensive snaps? I'd love to get a big, fast, athletic WR but I have no confidence that the head coach will use him or that the quarterback will find him.

I say DT or secondary or even OLB. We need to upgrade the Cody/Mitchell tandem, we need to upgrade JJo and we need to upgrade Barwin.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by chuck

Man, I'm so down on this team that it's hard for me to get any clarity on where we are and what we need.

I'm with you in thinking that OT and even OL in general is not a real need. Cush is the only ILB on the field in nickel and dime so do you really want to go first overall on a guy who can only play a third of defensive snaps? I'd love to get a big, fast, athletic WR but I have no confidence that the head coach will use him or that the quarterback will find him.

I say DT or secondary or even OLB. We need to upgrade the Cody/Mitchell tandem, we need to upgrade JJo and we need to upgrade Barwin.

You make a good case for a draft that looks more like this:

27 John Jenkins DT Georgia 6' 4" 350
57 Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 6' 1" 208
89 E.J. Manuel QB Florida State 6' 5" 234
121 Omoregie Uzzi OG Georgia Tech 6' 3" 300
153 A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State 6' 1" 240
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

217 Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280

01/02/13 - It was expected Utah defensive end Joe Kruger would follow his older brother Paul into the NFL given his talent. Apparently he wants to make that move sooner rather than later. The junior announced Wednesday he will enter the 2013 NFL draft. The 6-foot-7, 280-pound defensive end played in 37 of 38 games from 2010-12 with 14 starts. He finished the 2012 season with 30 tackles, including eight tackles for a loss and a team-high six sacks in 11 games.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=de
The Ravens OLB and soon to be rich young NFL FA Paul's big "little" brother Joe Kruger is a very interesting prospect and looks like a natural 3-4 DE with his size and length. Obviously he should stay school in another year, but he's probably a typical Mormon college guy who's a little older and wants to make some money before his time has passed. But besides size, with those sacks #s he appears to also be athletic.
Here's predicting he ends up going in the middle rounds and not towards the end of the Draft, though presently the Draft rating services also have him going very late.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

01/02/13 - It was expected Utah defensive end Joe Kruger would follow his older brother Paul into the NFL given his talent. Apparently he wants to make that move sooner rather than later. The junior announced Wednesday he will enter the 2013 NFL draft. The 6-foot-7, 280-pound defensive end played in 37 of 38 games from 2010-12 with 14 starts. He finished the 2012 season with 30 tackles, including eight tackles for a loss and a team-high six sacks in 11 games.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=de
The Ravens OLB and soon to be rich young NFL FA Paul's big "little" brother Joe Kruger is a very interesting prospect and looks like a natural 3-4 DE with his size and length. Obviously he should stay school in another year, but he's probably a typical Mormon college guy who's a little older and wants to make some money before his time has passed. But besides size, with those sacks #s he appears to also be athletic.
Here's predicting he ends up going in the middle rounds and not towards the end of the Draft, though presently the Draft rating services also have him going very late.

I agree with the article, I think he will go higher then the current rankings have him.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

27 Alec Ogletree* ILB Georgia 6' 3" 232
57 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 6' 5" 310
89 Tavarres King WR Georgia 6' 1" 184
121 Greg Reid CB Valdosta State 5' 9" 175
153 Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6' 2" 290
185 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
217 Ryan Otten TE San Jose State 6' 6" 245

Our team needs are wide and plenty, here's a mock with compensatory picks in 3rd and 5th rounds.

1. Xavier Rhodes* CB Florida State 6' 1" 206
GQ gets a huge offer elsewhere and we're forced to moved K. Jax to safety, therefore CB trumps all other positions. We could take a safety here, but Wade wisely goes with a CB and selects the best on the board.

2. Da'Rick Rogers Tennessee Tech 6' 3" 215
With so many question marks at WR next year regarding Posey and company, Kubes' takes a very good WR in the second round.

3. Bennie Logan* DT LSU 6' 3" 295
With S. Cody on the decline, we take another NT to rotate with Earl Mitchell. Logan may need to add 10-15 pounds, but can rush the passer and defend the run admirably and is a steal in the third.

3b. Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas 6' 5" 319
The right side is still a work in progress and Bailey's depth will be needed if Caldwell doesn't return next year. The mammoth Bailey played RG at Arkansas and was regarded as one of the best interior linemen in the SEC in 2012.

4. Gerald Hodges OLB/ILB Penn State 6' 2" 234
Hodges provides depth and insurance at ILB, especially if Cushing loses some mobility/speed after knee sugery. Had multiple 100tkl seasons at Penn St, aka Linebacker U.

5. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M 5' 11" 215
While Forsett played well last season, Michael is too good to pass up in the 5th round.

5b. Chris Faulk OT LSU 6' 6" 316
Was second team All SEC prior to his knee injury in September 2012.

6. Duke Williams S Nevada 6' 1" 185
Productive DB with some kickoff return potential on ST.

7. Philip Lutzenkirchen TE Auburn 6' 5" 255
Thought about Michael Williams of Alabama here, but went with the better (route runner/hands) TE, never know if he may need to step up and play more due to injuries. If he can prove he's healthy post hip surgery, his versatility could really help this team.

I still think we'll sign some UD ILB's.

[painekiller]

PreCombine mock. I've been trying to think outside the box, and looking at the needs of the team. This can be refined once FA opens in March, then we can see who is back and who is gone.

What would you guys think about a draft like this?


1st Zach Ertz TE Stanford 6' 6" 245
2nd Barrett Jones OC Alabama 6' 4" 301
3rd Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas 6' 3" 209
3rd sup A T.J. McDonald S USC 6' 2" 205
4th Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) 6' 3" 215
5th A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State 6' 1" 240
5th sup B Stansly Maponga* DE TCU 6' 2" 260
5th sup C Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 5' 11" 209
6th Joe Kruger* DE Utah 6' 7" 280
7th Michael Williams TE Alabama 6-6 269
7th sup D John Boyett FS Oregon 5-10 205

Sup A = Mario
Sup B = Brisiel
Sup C = Dreessen
Sup D = Allen

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Our team needs are wide and plenty, here's a mock with compensatory picks in 3rd and 5th rounds.

1. Xavier Rhodes* CB Florida State 6' 1" 206
GQ gets a huge offer elsewhere and we're forced to moved K. Jax to safety, therefore CB trumps all other positions. We could take a safety here, but Wade wisely goes with a CB and selects the best on the board.

2. Da'Rick Rogers Tennessee Tech 6' 3" 215
With so many question marks at WR next year regarding Posey and company, Kubes' takes a very good WR in the second round.

3. Bennie Logan* DT LSU 6' 3" 295
With S. Cody on the decline, we take another NT to rotate with Earl Mitchell. Logan may need to add 10-15 pounds, but can rush the passer and defend the run admirably and is a steal in the third.

3b. Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas 6' 5" 319
The right side is still a work in progress and Bailey's depth will be needed if Caldwell doesn't return next year. The mammoth Bailey played RG at Arkansas and was regarded as one of the best interior linemen in the SEC in 2012.

4. Gerald Hodges OLB/ILB Penn State 6' 2" 234
Hodges provides depth and insurance at ILB, especially if Cushing loses some mobility/speed after knee sugery. Had multiple 100tkl seasons at Penn St, aka Linebacker U.

5. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M 5' 11" 215
While Forsett played well last season, Michael is too good to pass up in the 5th round.

5b. Chris Faulk OT LSU 6' 6" 316
Was second team All SEC prior to his knee injury in September 2012.

6. Duke Williams S Nevada 6' 1" 185
Productive DB with some kickoff return potential on ST.

7. Philip Lutzenkirchen TE Auburn 6' 5" 255
Thought about Michael Williams of Alabama here, but went with the better (route runner/hands) TE, never know if he may need to step up and play more due to injuries. If he can prove he's healthy post hip surgery, his versatility could really help this team.

I still think we'll sign some UD ILB's.

I like this draft

[Nconroe]

Has NFL announced when we will know which compensatory picks we actually get.

Should be pretty soon.

That would be nice to get four.