2011?

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12 Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 6' 3" 282
44 Jake Kirkpatrick OC TCU 6' 3" 305
76 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 6' 2" 200
108 Jermale Hines S Ohio State 6' 2" 210
140 Vincent Brown WR San Diego State 6' 0" 185
172 Archie Donald ILB Toledo 6' 2" 235
203 Ted Laurent DT Mississippi 6' 0" 305


12 Marcell Dareus* DE Alabama 6' 3" 306
44 Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 6' 2" 205
76 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 6' 2" 200
I am playing the 4 best cover guys, two of these guys will be CBs and two will be safeties Quin, Jackson, Smith or Dowling.
108 Pat Devlin QB Delaware 6' 4" 220
140 Roy Helu Jr. RB Nebraska 6' 0" 215
172 Alex Henery K Nebraska
203 Derrell Johnson-Koulianos WR Iowa 6' 1" 200

[NBT]

I want a FS and a DT with the first two picks. I could care less about who will be what, where.

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Originally Posted by NBT

I want a FS and a DT with the first two picks. I could care less about who will be what, where.

I did that, If we stay in a 4-3 then Dareus is a DT, if we go to a 3-4, Dareus is a DE.

With the 2nd rounder either the new guy or one of the current CBs is moving to Safety. Quin played Safety in college, Jackson has the size to be a Safety, and Dowling, my 3rd rounder, is a safety prospect also IMO.

[painekiller]

I want to play a couple of what ifs with you guys.

What if we get a new coordinator that runs a 4-3 (Marvin Lewis anyone?) and likes to attach.

Our CBs are young, we do need to upgrade the FS, but no one is worth a top 15 pick, so what if we go this way?

12 Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 6' 3" 306 or
12 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 6' 1" 285
44 Deunta Williams Safety North Carolina 6-2 205
76 Sione Fua DL Stanford 6-2 306
108 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
140 Alex Wujciak ILB Maryland 6' 3" 255
172 Pernell McPhee DE Mississippi State 6' 4" 275
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska
UDFA Eric Hagg Safety Nebraska 6-2 210

My thinking is you would have a DT rotation of Okoye, Mitchell, Dareus/Paea, Fua. That would be some mix of quick and strong at the point.

In the defensive backfield you would have Pollard (if resigned), Nolan, Williams and Keo. The CBs would be Quin, Jackson, Allen, McMannis as a base, nice young talent with a new DB coach.

And I want to attach and attach the line of scrimmage.

[chuck]

I'd like to attach a few more wins to the total next year.

After the last couple of games I'm beginning to think that with this year's torching the corners are actually starting to play up to a near-NFL level. I'm thinking that it is possible that Quin and Jackson and whoever else may prove to be serviceable and this year's disaster might actually pay some dividends. A better DL would definitely help so I'm with you on DL with the first pick if that yields the best value. The DL got some decent push the last two weeks and the defense as a whole didn't look nearly as inept as it did in the earlier part of the season.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by chuck

I'd like to attach a few more wins to the total next year.

After the last couple of games I'm beginning to think that with this year's torching the corners are actually starting to play up to a near-NFL level. I'm thinking that it is possible that Quin and Jackson and whoever else may prove to be serviceable and this year's disaster might actually pay some dividends. A better DL would definitely help so I'm with you on DL with the first pick if that yields the best value. The DL got some decent push the last two weeks and the defense as a whole didn't look nearly as inept as it did in the earlier part of the season.

It appears to me that a couple things have happened to our defense in the last few weeks, one we signed Damione Lewis and he has gotten some push up the middle, two they have played Mark Anderson more and he has gotten pressure, and three they finally started using some exotic blitzes.

What if they had used the pressure from day one? What if we had another big bodied DT from day one? What if Barwin had not been hurt?

I think Kubiak keeps the training wheels on the defense to start the season and then lets the coaches take them off when their jobs are on the line. Man he seems to be a slow learner.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I think Kubiak keeps the training wheels on the defense to start the season and then lets the coaches take them off when their jobs are on the line. Man he seems to be a slow learner.

It does seem to be that way,.......and also he appears to be too loyal to his coaches as well as some players. He leans on coaches and players he is familiar with, like coaches he has been around in SF and Denver, as well as a lot of undrafted Colorado State players. IF he stays he must give up his influence on who Rick Smith would like to get when it comes to the defense. That is why I am for a President of operations person like a Parcells, or someone similar.

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Originally Posted by NBT

It does seem to be that way,.......and also he appears to be too loyal to his coaches as well as some players. He leans on coaches and players he is familiar with, like coaches he has been around in SF and Denver, as well as a lot of undrafted Colorado State players. IF he stays he must give up his influence on who Rick Smith would like to get when it comes to the defense. That is why I am for a President of operations person like a Parcells, or someone similar.

I thought about starting a thread on hiring Parcells to run the team, but he would not like any of our current players. IMO he would fire everybody from Rick Smith down to the practice squad players.

I like what he does to instill winning on a team, but he has not taken anyone to the Super Bowl in a long time. So has he lost his edge?

I'm leaning in favor of hiring a real GM and letting him decide who becomes the next HC like most team do it, not letting the HC hire the GM.

[painekiller]

They have us picking at 11.

11 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 6' 1" 285
43 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
75 Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11" 170
107 Zach Hurd OG Connecticut 6' 7" 315
139 Doyle Miller CB Nevada 5' 11" 185
171 Archie Donald ILB Toledo 6' 2" 235
203 Pierre Allen DE Nebraska 6' 5" 265

I could live with this draft.

my attempt

11 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 6' 1" 285
43 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
75 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 1" 215
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

[Blitzwood]

What I come up with if we were switching to 3-4


11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, UNC
43. Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pitt
75. Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
107. James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
139. Eric Hagg, SS, Nebraska
171. Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland
203. Alex Henery, K, Nebraska

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

What I come up with if we were switching to 3-4


11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, UNC
43. Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pitt
75. Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
107. James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
139. Eric Hagg, SS, Nebraska
171. Adrian Moten, LB, Maryland
203. Alex Henery, K, Nebraska

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.

My attempt at a 3-4 draft

11 Stephen Paea DE/NT Oregon State 6' 1" 302
32 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
43 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson 6' 4" 310
75 Sione Fua NT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Quan Sturdivant ILB UNC 6' 2" 230
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

[TexanJedi]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.


My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

This is my worst fear about converting to the 3-4. The Mario Factor is the key, can he play in the 3-4 and excel, and if not they would probably not trade him for a year after trying to answer that question. At that point his value would be diminished. In the above scenario the Patriots would be lauded as geniuses, and rightfully so, and the Texans would look like morons. And I don't think relying on two rookies safties is the way to go either.

I just think we can build a good (4-3) defense under new coaching/regime just fine with some of the personnel we already have, namely Mario. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the thing that keeps me from the Cowher or Bust bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by TexanJedi

This is my worst fear about converting to the 3-4. The Mario Factor is the key, can he play in the 3-4 and excel, and if not they would probably not trade him for a year after trying to answer that question. At that point his value would be diminished. In the above scenario the Patriots would be lauded as geniuses, and rightfully so, and the Texans would look like morons. And I don't think relying on two rookies safties is the way to go either.

I just think we can build a good (4-3) defense under new coaching/regime just fine with some of the personnel we already have, namely Mario. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the thing that keeps me from the Cowher or Bust bandwagon.

I did not say that this group was the starters in 2011, but they should be solid starters by 2013. Also I am not on the Cowher or bust band wagon, I was simply responding to another posters 3-4 mock. My original cherry pick was for a 4-3. In my original cherry I went with two DTs and 2 safeties, but I do not think a guy should play until he has earned the playing time, one of my complaints against Kubiak.

I currently believe Kubiak is coming back next year with a new defensive coordinator. Hopefully someone like John Fox or Marvin Lewis. But a former HC is unlikely and I and the fans will be underwhelmed by the move.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If we go to a 3-4 we are going to need more beef in the middle of the defensive line. And I do not see you addressing that, I know we could try to go after a NT in FA. Also Quinn is a high risk pick and size wise more a 4-3 DE IMO than a 3-4 DE. I like 300+ lbs for my 3-4 DE. I would trade Mario Williams, but not sure you will get much with him being in a rehab situation, so I will get #32 from the Pats because I would take Miller at our #11, and this mock has him at 32.

My attempt at a 3-4 draft

11 Stephen Paea DE/NT Oregon State 6' 1" 302
32 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
43 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson 6' 4" 310
75 Sione Fua NT Stanford 6' 2" 307
107 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
139 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
171 Quan Sturdivant ILB UNC 6' 2" 230
203 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

My 3-4 defense of the future is:
DE Paea NT Fua DE Jenkins
OLBs Miller & Barwin/Cushing ILBs Ryans/Sturdivant Sharpton/Cushing
CBs Jackson Quin Safeties Keo Hagg

What'd you say 'bout my draft??? J/k.

Yea, I didn't address the NT position because I think Lewis, our recently signed DT is capable. I believe Quinn is very capable of being an OLB in a 3-4. He bounced between a 4-3 and 3-4 some at UNC.

I think Paea is a harder sell in a 3-4. Fua, IMO, is a little undersized for the NT.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

What'd you say 'bout my draft??? J/k.

Yea, I didn't address the NT position because I think Lewis, our recently signed DT is capable. I believe Quinn is very capable of being an OLB in a 3-4. He bounced between a 4-3 and 3-4 some at UNC.

I think Paea is a harder sell in a 3-4. Fua, IMO, is a little undersized for the NT.

Seth Payne was smaller than Fua, so I'm hoping he can become a force in the middle. As for Paea he is a penetrator and that is what I want in my 3-4, that is the way that Wade Phillips runs the 3-4.

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8 Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 6' 3" 306
40 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
72 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190
104 Steve Schilling OG Michigan 6' 5" 305
136 K.J. Wright OLB Mississippi State 6' 4" 245
168 Dane Sanzenbacher WR Ohio State 5' 11" 185
199 Jonathan Cornell ILB Mississippi 6' 1" 235

Again not a bad draft, but if we go to a 3-4, do we have a spot for Dareus who IMO is a DE in the 3-4. I know we need to upgrade the DEs for the 3-4 but Mario and Antonio should be the starters at DE.

My mock/cherry pick has a trade involved in it. We give #8 & 72 for the 49ers pick at #6

6 Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
40 Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 2" 330
104 Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple 6' 2" 195
136 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215
168 Wayne Daniels OLB TCU 6' 2" 250
199 Alex Henery K/P Nebraska 6' 2" 175

The other option is one this team is not inclined to do and that is Ngata will be franchised, so go sign him and give up the 2 first round draft picks. Having Ngata is better than any pick they could draft at #8.

[NBT]

Thing is we could have had Nata back when he first came out for just exercising him as our pick, BUT we didn't, and I'm not for going back now and giving up 2 future first rounders to make up for what we should have done in the first place.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by painekiller

8 Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 6' 3" 306
40 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
72 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190
104 Steve Schilling OG Michigan 6' 5" 305
136 K.J. Wright OLB Mississippi State 6' 4" 245
168 Dane Sanzenbacher WR Ohio State 5' 11" 185
199 Jonathan Cornell ILB Mississippi 6' 1" 235

Again not a bad draft, but if we go to a 3-4, do we have a spot for Dareus who IMO is a DE in the 3-4. I know we need to upgrade the DEs for the 3-4 but Mario and Antonio should be the starters at DE.

My mock/cherry pick has a trade involved in it. We give #8 & 72 for the 49ers pick at #6

6 Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
40 Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 2" 330
104 Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple 6' 2" 195
136 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215
168 Wayne Daniels OLB TCU 6' 2" 250
199 Alex Henery K/P Nebraska 6' 2" 175

The other option is one this team is not inclined to do and that is Ngata will be franchised, so go sign him and give up the 2 first round draft picks. Having Ngata is better than any pick they could draft at #8.

Actually liked the mock, too.

My cherry pick leaving picks and scheme the same.

8. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 6' 3" 306
40. Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh 6' 4" 260
72. Michael Floyd* WR Notre Dam 6' 3" 220
104. Jaiquawn Jarrett FS Temple 6' 2" 195
136. Harrison Smith SS Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
168. Mike Mohamed ILB Cal 6' 3" 235
199. Brian Maddox RB S. Carolina 5' 11" 228

My main objective, initially, was to improve the pass rush. I believe I accomplished that with my first two picks. I think WR is a concern with J.Jones possibly leaving through FA and the lingering ankle injury of AJ. I think our passing game suffered this year as a result of the latter, Floyd is a stud who has time to develop. While I'm content with Pollard in run support and in blitz packages, he's horrible in coverage and Wilson is getting a little long at the tooth. Nolan and Barber are still suspect, IMO. This tandem of Jarrett and Smith could be something special. Mohamed bolsters our LB corp and Maddox replaces S.Slaton in the RB rotation. Tate is still a relative unknown and an injury to A.Foster would cripple our ground game.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

8 Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 6' 3" 306
40 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
72 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190
104 Steve Schilling OG Michigan 6' 5" 305
136 K.J. Wright OLB Mississippi State 6' 4" 245
168 Dane Sanzenbacher WR Ohio State 5' 11" 185
199 Jonathan Cornell ILB Mississippi 6' 1" 235

Again not a bad draft, but if we go to a 3-4, do we have a spot for Dareus who IMO is a DE in the 3-4. I know we need to upgrade the DEs for the 3-4 but Mario and Antonio should be the starters at DE.

My mock/cherry pick has a trade involved in it. We give #8 & 72 for the 49ers pick at #6

6 Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
40 Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 2" 330
104 Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple 6' 2" 195
136 Andy Dalton QB TCU 6' 3" 215
168 Wayne Daniels OLB TCU 6' 2" 250
199 Alex Henery K/P Nebraska 6' 2" 175

The other option is one this team is not inclined to do and that is Ngata will be franchised, so go sign him and give up the 2 first round draft picks. Having Ngata is better than any pick they could draft at #8.

After watching some bowl games, not liking what I saw from Prince, overrated IMO, and thinking maybe Wade runs a hybrid defense. Here is another attempt at this one by me.

8 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
40 Stefen Wisniewski OG Penn State 6' 3" 297
72 Kendrick Ellis DT Hampton 6' 5" 340
104 Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple 6' 2" 195
136 Eric Hagg S Nebraska 6' 2" 205
168 Benjamin Ijalana OT/OG Villanova 6' 4" 320
199 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

This is way to early for Miller and I know that, but I think we win tomorrow, or I would try to trade down if Peterson and Fairley are gone when we pick. In a 3-4 Miller and Barwin are my OLBs with Cushing and Ryans in the Middle, Sharpton is the future MLB.

Wisniewski is a stud who can play OG or OC, and he should be a late 1st rounder, but if he drops to us we need to solidify that RG position. Ellis gives that big body to play the true NT.

I agree with Blitzwood, we need a safety tandem, and I not know Smith from Notre Dame, but I do know Hagg. Jarrett and Hagg shoud have to earn there time, not be handed it.

The All American punter from Florida will give us a big leg now, and Ijalana will be allowed to develop and possibly be a OG in our system.

If the team can pull off getting another 2nd round pick I would grab Mike Pouncey and then our middle of the OL is set for a long time. Pouncey, Wisniewski, Caldwell in some combination would be the future OL.

As for the the NT postion, I would go out in FA and sign one or two of the following guys:John Henderson, DT, Raiders ; Ronald Fields, NT Denver; Ron Edwards, NT KC(Klein Forest/ A&M grad); Shaun Smith, NT, KC; Paul Soliai, NT Dolphins, Haloti Ngata DE/NT Ravens (he will be Franchised and cost two 1st round picks); Chris Hoke, NT Steelers; Remi Ayodele, DT Saints; Bryan Robinson, NT, Arizona; Gabe Watson, NT, Arizono; Alan Branch, DE/NT, Arizona; Aubrayo Franklin, NT, 49ers; Brandon Mebane, DT, Seattle.

Let Ellis develop behind two veteran NT with experience in the NFL, that will help this team now and later.

[painekiller]

8 Da'Quan Bowers Clemson DE43
40 Jason Pinkston Pittsburgh OG
72 Brian Lainhart Kent State FS
104 Aaron Williams Texas CB
136 Titus Young Boise State WRF

Not on love with this draft, my cherry pick

8 Von Miller Texas A&M OLB34
40 Sione Fua Stanford DT34
72 Mike Pouncey Florida OG
104 Quinton Carter Oklahoma SS
136 Mark Barron Alabama FS