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Old 03-21-2016, 08:13 PM
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Bleacher Report: Some new names and new priorities at the top. If you take a Conklin, he can play LT or RT, OTs then can be Brown, Conklin. Newton can move to OG with Allen, and Su'a-Filo move to OC. It's a thought. If Brown is not ready at the start of the season they have coverage.

22: R1P22 OT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE
52: R2P21 OLB SU'A CRAVENS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
85: R3P22 WR STERLING SHEPARD OKLAHOMA
120: R4P21 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
160: R5P20 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
167: R5P27 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
196: R6P20 S TYVIS POWELL OHIO STATE
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Old 03-22-2016, 12:23 AM
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Walters List, seems to have some guys upside down from my list.

30: R1P30 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH
52: R2P21 WR COREY COLEMAN BAYLOR
62: R2P31 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
100: R4P1 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
114: R4P15 S JAYRON KEARSE CLEMSON
167: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
196: R6P20 RB AARON GREEN TCU
224: R7P2 QB VERNON ADAMS OREGON



I made some moves:

TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS SENT:
FUTURE ROUND 3 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1
ROUND: 7 PICK: 2

TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
ROUND: 2 PICK: 31

TRADE PARTNER:
TENNESSEE TITANS SENT:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 21
ROUND: 5 PICK: 20

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 15

The above links go to NFL.com summary of each player.
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Old 03-22-2016, 09:07 AM
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Bleacher Report: Some new names and new priorities at the top. If you take a Conklin, he can play LT or RT, OTs then can be Brown, Conklin. Newton can move to OG with Allen, and Su'a-Filo move to OC. It's a thought. If Brown is not ready at the start of the season they have coverage.
Short of trading their top pick for multiple mid-round picks, OT is a real possibility for the #22 given the uncertainty they have with Brown at LT this year and even if he's completely healthy he's getting to be a vet who's been around quite awhile now so it's time anyway to start grooming a replacement especially with us now having a really big investment at QB.
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Old 03-22-2016, 10:57 AM
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I like the links so we can look up details on each player quick and easy.
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Old 03-22-2016, 12:28 PM
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I was disappointed I couldn't trade down in the first round but I took one offer in the second for two thirds. This is the Fanspeak 3/15 board.

22: R1P22 OT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE
77: R3P14 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
79: R3P16 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE
85: R3P22 QB CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG PENN STATE
120: R4P21 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE
160: R5P20 CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
167: R5P27 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
196: R6P20 DE CHARLES TAPPER OKLAHOMA

TRADE PARTNER:
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 14
ROUND: 3 PICK: 16

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Old 03-22-2016, 03:09 PM
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I like the links so we can look up details on each player quick and easy.
I thought of cutting the entire page for each player but that was to cumbersome. So I added the links, glad you enjoyed it.

BTW those are Lance Zeirlien's breakdowns on the players.
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Old 03-23-2016, 12:16 PM
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I was disappointed I couldn't trade down in the first round but I took one offer in the second for two thirds. This is the Fanspeak 3/15 board.

85: R3P22 QB CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG PENN STATE
By all appearances, Hackenberg will be lucky to be drafted. Considering that and the fact we signed Osweiler, I wouldn't burn a pick on Hack until very late in the draft, if at all. In fact, I think the worst thing we could do is draft a QB (certainly one fairly early) this year and have all the fickle fans calling for him at the slightest hint of a struggle from Osweiler. Might be better off going with Savage, a vet or a late RD QB for this year and let Os have his day without rookie QB crap hanging over his shoulder.
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Old 03-23-2016, 01:02 PM
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By all appearances, Hackenberg will be lucky to be drafted. Considering that and the fact we signed Osweiler, I wouldn't burn a pick on Hack until very late in the draft, if at all. In fact, I think the worst thing we could do is draft a QB (certainly one fairly early) this year and have all the fickle fans calling for him at the slightest hint of a struggle from Osweiler. Might be better off going with Savage, a vet or a late RD QB for this year and let Os have his day without rookie QB crap hanging over his shoulder.
I agree totally. Hack has not shown anything in two years. He might have been better served transferring somewhere that the offense better served him and showing he was not a one year wonder, freshman year no less. As of now, OB does not have to draft a "franchise" QB early, and that will hurt Hack with the Texans.

I cannot say how many mocks I have done where a solid QB is available and I have walked right past him to a position of higher need. If you want to a flyer on a QB late in the draft, a fifth or later, then I am good with that. I love Adams from Oregon as a UDFA, to give you a camp arm.

The biggest issue I see is reps. The team is going to want to get OS as many reps as possible in OTAs and camp, and they want to hold on to Hoyer to possibly trade to a team that gets hit with an injury for some kind of value. And you have to get him reps, along with Savage. He needs reps. So how can you develop a young guy with no reps.

Also I would not be surprised if they keep Hoyer as a veteran backup. It would give Os another QB to talk to on the sideline and in the room.
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Old 03-23-2016, 02:04 PM
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Also I would not be surprised if they keep Hoyer as a veteran backup. It would give Os another QB to talk to on the sideline and in the room.
I think keeping Hoyer is a good strategy. We could do far worse at backup QB and it's not like he's all that expensive. I think he'd be good for Os to have around. If they don't feel Savage has a future, then by all means draft a guy like Adams, Hogan or Driskell, etc. late in the draft. I'd rather a have Hoyer and a rookie prospect than hang onto Savage who has zero experience to help out and likely has no starting future.
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Old 03-23-2016, 02:24 PM
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Using the FanSpeak list.

22: R1P22 OT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE
52: R2P21 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH
70: R3P7 C NICK MARTIN NOTRE DAME
94: R3P31 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
120: R4P21 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
130: R4P31 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
160: R5P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
167: R5P27 TE JERELL ADAMS SOUTH CAROLINA
183: R6P7 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
196: R6P20 WR CAYLEB JONES ARIZONA


TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 31
ROUND: 4 PICK: 31

TRADE PARTNER:
BALTIMORE RAVENS SENT:
FUTURE ROUND 2 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 7
ROUND: 6 PICK: 7

Got additional picks with a trade down and a future pick.

This is a solid list in the 2nd 3rd 4th rounds.

Got my Brown insurance, future OT in Conklin, which gives me more versatility along the line, in that same vain I took Martin, and guy that can play OG or OC.

In the 2nd and 4th I took two DTs that can play either NT or 3-4 DE. Both are solid against the run. And showed well at the Senior Bowl in one on ones.

Grabbed both RBs from Arkansas, why not keep them pushing each other, one is a scat back, choppy runner and one is more of a power back. (Maybe time for Blue to move on).

If all Cyrus Jones did on this team was return punts than he would be a steal, but he also is money covering the slot receiver.

Listenbee is a speedster on the outside. And Cayleb Jones is big bodied guy with solid hands. Also has some baggage in his distant past.

Added size and speed to the roster, added guys that can make plays, added some meanness to the OL. Not a bad draft IMO.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:47 PM
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If they intend to keep Hoyer, then they won't draft a QB but I would rather release or trade him and use the cap savings to bring back Jared Crick.

As far as Hackenberg, I'm simply responding to the mutual admiration
O'Brien and Hackenberg have for each other and the belief he will flourish here better than anywhere else.

You don't want someone who directly competes against Ossie this year but someone who can step in if he gets injured or falters. I don't see last year's starter as being the guy for that.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:35 PM
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I don't believe Hoyer is on the roster by the start of OTAs. But the league is so QB starved that trying to get a low draft pick for him is smart right now.
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Old 03-24-2016, 02:33 PM
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You don't want someone who directly competes against Ossie this year but someone who can step in if he gets injured or falters. I don't see last year's starter as being the guy for that.
Particularly because we know what that gets us, which is not much. Or certainly not enough. Hoyer is too expensive and potentially too distracting to be the backup I think. And barrett is right, he will find a place in the league and if the Texans can squeeze a 6th or a 7th for him and get his salary off the books then that would be a triumph. The offense will go as far as BO takes it. I have no idea where that will be but I don't see any real point in having a Hoyer over a Savage at backup if a Hoyer is that much more expensive.

I can't remember a year where the mocks were so all over the place with the top five or six quarterbacks. You guys have seen all the mocks, too, and many of you have played with the various lists for your own mocks. It's amazing how one perfectly credible mock will have QB X at 2 overall and another perfectly credible mock will have him at 12 or 22 or whatever. I really thought that by now we'd start to get some clarity and consensus among the mocks but we haven't. Hell, no one even knows what Tennessee's going to do. For me it's far more enjoyable than usual.
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Old 03-27-2016, 10:04 AM
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Here's an Easter mock which includes a trade down with Carolina. This used the "With The First Pick" board. Still, a bit disappointed with what it produced.

30: R1P30 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
52: R2P21 DE DEFOREST BUCKNER OREGON
85: R3P22 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE
94: R3P31 G VADAL ALEXANDER LSU
120: R4P21 RB PAUL PERKINS UCLA
130: R4P31 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
160: R5P20 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE
167: R5P27 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA
169: R5P29 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
196: R6P20 QB KEVIN HOGAN STANFORD

TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
ROUND: 3 PICK: 31
ROUND: 4 PICK: 31
ROUND: 5 PICK: 29
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Old 03-27-2016, 10:00 PM
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22 C Ryan Kelly
52 WR Sterling Shepard
85 S Sean Davis
120 CB Cyrus Jones
160 WR Malcolm Mitchell
167 OLB Yannick Ngakoue
196 WR Keyarris Garrett

I think that the "Composite" board is most realistic. I find it useless to be able to draft Derrick Henry in the3rd round.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:41 AM
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Every Tuesday means a new Fanspeak board and some very generous tradedowns led to a pretty sweet haul:

32: R2P1 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
41: R2P10 WR COREY COLEMAN BAYLOR
85: R3P22 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
92: R3P29 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
119: R4P21 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
128: R4P30 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
159: R5P20 S MILES KILLEBREW SOUTHERN UTAH
166: R5P27 DT ANTWAUN WOODS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
167: R5P28 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE
195: R6P20 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY


TRADE PARTNER:
ARIZONA CARDINALS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29
ROUND: 3 PICK: 29
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30
ROUND: 5 PICK: 28

TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 1
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1

TRADE PARTNER:
CHICAGO BEARS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 10
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:57 PM
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Every Tuesday means a new Fanspeak board and some very generous tradedowns led to a pretty sweet haul:

32: R2P1 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
41: R2P10 WR COREY COLEMAN BAYLOR
85: R3P22 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
92: R3P29 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
119: R4P21 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
128: R4P30 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
159: R5P20 S MILES KILLEBREW SOUTHERN UTAH
166: R5P27 DT ANTWAUN WOODS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
167: R5P28 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE
195: R6P20 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY


TRADE PARTNER:
ARIZONA CARDINALS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29
ROUND: 3 PICK: 29
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30
ROUND: 5 PICK: 28

TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 1
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1

TRADE PARTNER:
CHICAGO BEARS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
ROUND: 4 PICK: 1

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 10
Nice job, I could live with most of this. Not sure what position Zettle plays on the Texans, he appears to be a 4-3 DE only.
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:20 AM
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Never heard of Optimum Scouting and I have to scratch my head at some of their rankings but, with a couple of trade downs, I managed a nice group:

33: R2P2 ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA
52: R2P21 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
64: R3P1 S VONN BELL OHIO STATE
85: R3P22 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
113: R4P15 RB DEVONTAE BOOKER UTAH
119: R4P21 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
121: R4P23 DT JONATHAN BULLARD FLORIDA
159: R5P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
160: R5P21 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
166: R5P27 WR DEMARCUS AYERS HOUSTON
195: R6P20 G VADAL ALEXANDER LSU

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 23
ROUND: 4 PICK: 23
ROUND: 5 PICK: 21

TRADE PARTNER:
TENNESSEE TITANS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 23

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 2
ROUND: 3 PICK: 1
ROUND: 4 PICK: 15
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Old 03-31-2016, 07:23 AM
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Here's an Easter mock which includes a trade down with Carolina. This used the "With The First Pick" board. Still, a bit disappointed with what it produced.

30: R1P30 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
52: R2P21 DE DEFOREST BUCKNER OREGON
85: R3P22 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE
94: R3P31 G VADAL ALEXANDER LSU
120: R4P21 RB PAUL PERKINS UCLA
130: R4P31 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
160: R5P20 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE
167: R5P27 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA
169: R5P29 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
196: R6P20 QB KEVIN HOGAN STANFORD

TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
ROUND: 3 PICK: 31
ROUND: 4 PICK: 31
ROUND: 5 PICK: 29
That won't happen. I wish it would but some people have Oregon's
BUCKNER as the best defensive player in the whole Draft. He's at least top 10 and sometimes top 5 in every mock I've seen.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:21 AM
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I don't think Jonathan Bullard lasts until the 4th round either.
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