Who will be available at 15?

[mussop]

I believe these players will be gone.

1 Sam Bradford
2 Andre Smith
3 Matthew Stafford
4 Michael Crabtree
5 Chris Wells
6 Michael Oher
7 Vontae Davis
8 Eugene Monroe
9 Malcolm Jenkins
10 Brian Orakpo
11 Aaron Curry
12 Rey Maualaga
13 Taylor Mays
14 B.J. Raji
15 ???????


I would be happy with any of the bolded players falling. If I had to choose from whats left and trading down wasnt an option I think several players would make alot of sense here.


Defensive players left


Brandon Spikes LB 6-2, 245 Florida
James Laurinaitis LB 6-2, 245 Ohio State

MLB not really a need.

Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia

He would start and be an upgrade.

Alphonso Smith CB 5-9, 195 Wake Forest
D.J. Moore CB 5-10, 182 Vanderbilt

Dont think either one of them would make that big of a difference.

Will Moore FS 6-0, 230 Missouri (X)

Would start and be an upgrade.

Sen'Derrick Marks DT 6-1, 290 Auburn
Jeria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi

Depends on who get for DC as to whether they would be a fit.

Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech
Greg Hardy DE 6-4, 265 Mississippi (O)
Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State

Definatly a need position but are any of them good enough against the run??? Any of them would be better than what we have now.

Offensive players left

Jermaine Grisham TE 6-5, 256 Oklahoma
Brandon Pettigrew TE 6-5, 260 Oklahoma State
Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri

Not a need position but any of these guys would be a big plus in the red zone.

Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri

Not a need position but adding another explosive player like one of these guys could make our O elite.

Alex Mack OC 6-4, 315 California

Would come in and start right away and play at a high level for many years.

Knowshon Moreno RB 5-10, 207 Georgia
Leshon McCoy RB 5-11, 215 Pittsburg

Lot of teams have 2 good backs now.

Jamon Meredith OT 6-5, 310 South Carolina
Alex Boone OT 6-7, 312 Ohio State
Jason Smith OT 6-4, 300 Baylor

You can never have too many quality OT 's.


Who would you pick?

[popanot]

I certainly wouldn't pick a TE at 15. A LB wouldn't be a bad pick, but I'd probably go Moore, DE, and then LB if they all rated about the same. I think there will be some good RB prospects in the 3rd and 4th rounds so I would not go that route in Rd.1. I like both Mack and Max Unger so I'm holding out hope one of them will be there in Rd.2.

[gunn]

If we have an attacking scheme on defense... there's not a doubt in my mind that Everette Brown is the best player that you have listed there at a position of need. To me, he is the top defensive end in this draft, and I think that he eventually ends up drafted in the top 10 and possibly in the top 5 of this draft.

[jppaul]

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

[teufelhunden]

I guess out of the choices you left I would go with Moore. We need a safety in a bad way. Mays being gone Moore is the alternative. We need a DE and I would like to see Everette Brown across from Mario but as someone else said I do not think he will be on the board at 15.

For the RB Shonn Greene is my choice for the Texans, but not in the first round.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by jppaul

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

But to what slot? And who would be available there? Not a bad idea though, depending on who was there at #15. This year because of the collecting bargaining agreement opt out, there are going to be a slew of juniors coming out.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by NBT

But to what slot? And who would be available there? Not a bad idea though, depending on who was there at #15. This year because of the collecting bargaining agreement opt out, there are going to be a slew of juniors coming out.

This is not true at all. Roger Goodell personally made calls to many top NCAA coaches to make personal assurances that there will be no rookie cap by 2010 so there is no reason for juniors to come out this year based on Salary or CBA concerns. He chalked the whole thing up to unscrupulous agents trying to entice kids into coming out early.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by popanot

I certainly wouldn't pick a TE at 15. A LB wouldn't be a bad pick, but I'd probably go Moore, DE, and then LB if they all rated about the same. I think there will be some good RB prospects in the 3rd and 4th rounds so I would not go that route in Rd.1. I like both Mack and Max Unger so I'm holding out hope one of them will be there in Rd.2.

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player. What happens to our O if Daniels goes down? Plus having 2 really good TE's can only help in the red zone. Im not saying that is what we should do but that we shouldnt just eliminate the option.

Ill take alot of heat for this too but I would take Mack at 15 without hesitation. The guy is probably the most NFL ready player in this draft and the center position is undervalued IMO. Those 3rd and short plays become alot less stressfull with him in there instead of Myers. If Mack or Unger (one of my favorite players in this draft) are available in the second I will cry if we dont pick em.

Originally Posted by jppaul

God, that sucks. I vote trade down.

Now that Mays has decided to stay in school it even looks worse. My bet is Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State or Jeria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi will now be off the board at 15.

The problem with trading down is everyone is looking at the available talent and saying the same thing. From 15 to rd 2 the talent level is pretty much the same. Its going to be real hard to find anyone who wants to trade up to 15.

[mussop]

Now that Bush has been named DC and says "everyone will be playing upfield. we won't be playing sideways". and describes his philosiphy as an attacking style that makes plays.

So knowing taht and looking at the players left scenerio Brown may be the guy that we covet. I still want Raji more than any other player in this draft but I wouldnt mind Brown if we really are going to attack the offense more.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by mussop

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player.

Because our defense has sucked since forever and we can get a backup/insurance for OD in the later rounds or through FA rather than using our 1rst round pick on one. Actually, I have no problem with Dreessen as OD's backup and feel we could find another servicable TE or incorporate other offensive options if we got in a bind during the season.

As for Mack, I'd be OK with that pick. Center is definitely a primary weakness on this team. I think I'd still go D though if I had 3 or 4 offensive/defensive players rated about the same.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by mussop

Why not a TE at 15 if he is the BAP and you know for the most part he is going to be a very good player. What happens to our O if Daniels goes down? Plus having 2 really good TE's can only help in the red zone. Im not saying that is what we should do but that we shouldnt just eliminate the option.

I don't think you should just not consider a position (other than QB) because of who we have, but there does need to be a balance between need and best player available. If the team has a TE rated significantly higher than what else is left, then yes it should take him. If he's in a group of similarly rated players, well then you have to look at need as part of that decision. I think Dreesen is very solid as our second TE. His blocking is OK and he's capable of making a play in the passing game. He's much more versatile than Bruener. I think we could manage with Dreesen if OD went down for a few games.

[HPF Bob]

Mays staying in school really hurts because he was my second choice after his teammate Maululuga. The bright side is there will be a few unknowns that will ace their combines and shoot up the draft board that we haven't heard of yet. Remember Demarcus Ware? He was going to be a second-round sleeper, then a late first, then a mid-first and wound up being taken at #10? Heck, Mario Williams shot up draft boards the year he was chosen. There was no buzz about the guy in mid-January. It was all Bush, Leinart and VY.

So, don't sweat it right now. There's a lot that can change.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The bright side is there will be a few unknowns that will ace their combines and shoot up the draft board that we haven't heard of yet. Remember Demarcus Ware? He was going to be a second-round sleeper, then a late first, then a mid-first and wound up being taken at #10?

I'm going on the record, Paul Kruger. Plays like Freddy and slices through offensive linemen.

6'5" 265lbs 4.68 - 40, reminds me of Patrick Kearney and would look nice opposite of Mario. He can play al 3 downs, so there's no need to find a specialist later in the draft to come in and pass rush, saving a draft pick.

Can we trade down and still get him? Right now, yeah. On draft day, we may be lucky if he's at #15.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by papabear

I don't think you should just not consider a position (other than QB) because of who we have, but there does need to be a balance between need and best player available. If the team has a TE rated significantly higher than what else is left, then yes it should take him. If he's in a group of similarly rated players, well then you have to look at need as part of that decision.

Well said!

[mussop]

My updated list

1 Andre Smith
2 Matthew Stafford
3 Michael Oher
4 Eugene Monroe
5 Malcolm Jenkins
6 B.J. Raji
7 Aaron Curry
8 Michael Crabtree
9 Brian Orakpo
10 Rey Maualaga
11 Vontae Davis
12 Chris Wells
13 Jason Smith
14 Jeria Jerry
15 Everette Bown

the best of the rest

Max Unger C Oregon
Alex Mack OC 6-4, 315 California
Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia
Brandon Spikes LB 6-2, 245 Florida
James Laurinaitis LB 6-2, 245 Ohio State
Alphonso Smith CB 5-9, 195 Wake Forest
D.J. Moore CB 5-10, 182 Vanderbilt
Will Moore FS 6-0, 230 Missouri (X)
Sen'Derrick Marks DT 6-1, 290 Auburn
Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech
Greg Hardy DE 6-4, 265 Mississippi (O)
Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
Brandon Pettigrew TE 6-5, 260 Oklahoma State
Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri
Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri
Knowshon Moreno RB 5-10, 207 Georgia
Leshon McCoy RB 5-11, 215 Pittsburg
Jamon Meredith OT 6-5, 310 South Carolina
Alex Boone OT 6-7, 312 Ohio State

[HPF Bob]

OU's Bradford and Grishem are now off the table. That sucks in multiple ways.

The pool of talent that might drop the guys we want down to 15 appear to be dwindling. We may find ourselves at 15 with no really good options. But it is way too early to say with certainty. The board definitely changes after the combine.