McShay's Mock Draft

[Roy P]

Ok, you've convinced me. I've moved MJ up my board.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Ok, you've convinced me. I've moved MJ up my board.

Wow youre easy. Now lets disscuss Malcolm Jenkins.

J/K, But I would like to know why you have him rated 3rd best CB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by mussop

Wow youre easy. Now lets disscuss Malcolm Jenkins.

J/K, But I would like to know why you have him rated 3rd best CB.

I'm not looking for a cover2 CB in the 1st round. That is my reason against him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

Wow youre easy. Now lets disscuss Malcolm Jenkins.

J/K, But I would like to know why you have him rated 3rd best CB.

Like Johnson or any other player I have rated lower than what you'll find on draft sites, I'm not as impressed when I've seen them play. Malcolm Jenkins isn't Chris McCallister, but acts like he is. Perhaps it's because he played at THE Ohio State University and their history of producing NFL CBs gives him the impression of entitlement.

If I were to project him, or compare him to somebody, it would be Marlin Jackson. Except Marlin Jackson is a much better tackler and more of a force in run support. Maybe a better comparison would be what Aqib Talib showed us last year. I'll be interested to see if he runs better than a 6.84 in the Cone drill and 4.3 in the Shuttle - if he runs at Indy. He doesn't look like he has quickness or he simply guesses wrong. He's a guy I see getting beat on double moves who needs help over the top.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Perhaps it's because he played at THE Ohio State University and their history of producing NFL CBs gives him the impression of entitlement.

OSU is certainly known for its contribution to the NFL LB gene pool, but corners ?
BTW, I'm really getting intrigued by this Krueger guy out of Utah. Could he possibly be the next Jerret Allen ? Similar build, but don't know anything about his
on-field demeanor ? And I get practically nothin when I google him ?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

OSU is certainly known for its contribution to the NFL LB gene pool, but corners ?
BTW, I'm really getting intrigued by this Krueger guy out of Utah. Could he possibly be the next Jerret Allen ? Similar build, but don't know anything about his
on-field demeanor ? And I get practically nothin when I google him ?

Spelling his name correctly usually helps me, Paul Kruger.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Spelling his name correctly usually helps me, Paul Kruger.

I've tried it under multiple spellings (including the correct one as you point out), but find only limited entries on "Youtube", .i .e., I was hoping to see some game action. Wish I had recorded the bowl game vs. 'Bama.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

OSU is certainly known for its contribution to the NFL LB gene pool, but corners ?

Pick - Player - year
70 - Ashton Youboty - 2006
28 - Chris Gamble - 2004
75 - Derek Ross - 2002
21 - Nate Clements - 2001
24 - Ahmed Plummer - 2000
23 -Antoine Winfield - 1999
3 - Shawn Springs - 1997
84 - Ty Howard - 1997
74 - Marlon Kerner - 1995

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Pick - Player - year
70 - Ashton Youboty - 2006
28 - Chris Gamble - 2004
75 - Derek Ross - 2002
21 - Nate Clements - 2001
24 - Ahmed Plummer - 2000
23 -Antoine Winfield - 1999
3 - Shawn Springs - 1997
84 - Ty Howard - 1997
74 - Marlon Kerner - 1995

Excuse excuse, I actually got OSU confused with "Linebacker U' (Penn State).
But on review of your list of corners from OSU, honestly should I really be that impressed ?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Excuse excuse, I actually got OSU confused with "Linebacker U' (Penn State).
But on review of your list of corners from OSU, honestly should I really be that impressed ?

Not really impressed. Neither should Malcolm.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Ok, you've convinced me. I've moved MJ up my board.

If he is such the athlete, then why are his numbers so pedestrian, that is why I am not high on him. In the mid 80's the Falcon's drafted a guy who looked the part, had all the measurable, but he never developed, Andre Bruce was a good player but never the superstar his measurable said he should be.

I do not want to give 1st round money to a guy with a questionable motor. With the measurable jpaul gave the man should have set a sack record and been a factor on every play he was in the game, but he is not. So why?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If he is such the athlete, then why are his numbers so pedestrian, that is why I am not high on him.

I do not want to give 1st round money to a guy with a questionable motor. With the measurable jpaul gave the man should have set a sack record and been a factor on every play he was in the game, but he is not. So why?

Gee, PK, I moved him up to #24 on my draft board.

Basically Ayers and Kruger are 1 year wonders too, so I'm giving MJ the benefit of the doubt. If Kollar and Bush can light a fire under his ass, maybe he can turn some of that potential into some good production.

I'm not banging the drum that we take the kid at #15, but if he's still around in the 2nd round, I won't pout too much if we draft him instead of Donald Brown, Harvin, Nicks, Pettigrew, or Greene.

I guess the question is, who are we considering for that 2nd round pick? Do we take Chung or Moore to play S? How about Unger or Mack to play C? Imagine the impossible happens and we drafted Raji at #15, who do you want in the 2nd? MJ wouldn't be a bad option, would he?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Gee, PK, I moved him up to #24 on my draft board.

Basically Ayers and Kruger are 1 year wonders too, so I'm giving MJ the benefit of the doubt. If Kollar and Bush can light a fire under his ass, maybe he can turn some of that potential into some good production.

I'm not banging the drum that we take the kid at #15, but if he's still around in the 2nd round, I won't pout too much if we draft him instead of Donald Brown, Harvin, Nicks, Pettigrew, or Greene.

I guess the question is, who are we considering for that 2nd round pick? Do we take Chung or Moore to play S? How about Unger or Mack to play C? Imagine the impossible happens and we drafted Raji at #15, who do you want in the 2nd? MJ wouldn't be a bad option, would he?

I concur and the reason I am banging the drum is becuase if we trade down to the 20's mid 20's I would not be upset if we picked him there. Additionally, this current staff has put a lot of stock behind measurables, i.e. Molden, Brown, etc., and I think this is an area they might continue the trend.

BTW, on the measurables, I found some video of Cushing running a 4.15 on the 20 yard shuttle, which if I remember correctly is pretty solid.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Gee, PK, I moved him up to #24 on my draft board.

Basically Ayers and Kruger are 1 year wonders too, so I'm giving MJ the benefit of the doubt. If Kollar and Bush can light a fire under his ass, maybe he can turn some of that potential into some good production.

I'm not banging the drum that we take the kid at #15, but if he's still around in the 2nd round, I won't pout too much if we draft him instead of Donald Brown, Harvin, Nicks, Pettigrew, or Greene.

I guess the question is, who are we considering for that 2nd round pick? Do we take Chung or Moore to play S? How about Unger or Mack to play C? Imagine the impossible happens and we drafted Raji at #15, who do you want in the 2nd? MJ wouldn't be a bad option, would he?

I am hoping for Donald Brown, but I doubt this team takes him, even though IMO he is the prototype for our ZBS. My 2nd choice is Chung, but again I doubt it, it seems the team thinks we are OK at safety. So that when a Kruger or an Ayers (one year wonder, more like a huge week in Mobile put him up the board) start to to creep into view. How about a LB, someone like Clay Matthews might be available around our pick. But LB is more likely a 3rd round target. So I am holding out for Brown. And yes I still pass on Johnson, let some one else light a million dollar (bust) fire.