CBS: Texans To Release Cushing

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Forget about Sharper that's a red herring - it's a two man contest.

OK maybe Cushing in a stretch, of 2 - 3 years was better, but if we are gonna talk career vs career then DeMeco is the man.
Oh and as long as you are qualifying the results here's my question ?
How much would we want to discount Cushings stats and performance in general without the PEDs ?

Sharper's not a red herring.

Player A
125 Tackles 3.5 Sacks 1 INT 1 FF, 99/2/1/1, 86/1/0/2, 93/1/0/1

Player B
95/5.5/0/0, 105/4/0/3, 96/2/0/3

Player C
86/4/4/2, 53/1.5/0/1, 81/4/2/2

Tell me the player that doesn't belong on that list. All 3 are comparable and you aren't remembering how good Sharper was on some very solid defenses that get dismissed because the expansion offenses were so inept.

As for longevity or career vs career, Demeco played 6 years and 86 games for the Texans. Years 5 and 6 were shells of years 1-4. Cushing played 9 years and 104 games with the Texans. Years 4-9 were injury plagued and not nearly as good as years 1-3, but they were still better than the Demeco 34 years (2010-2011).

Overall career numbers are
Demeco
479 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 2 INTs, 6 FF
Cushing
428 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 8 INT, 9 FF

Whether you are talking peak or career, Cushing is the best Texans MLB and probably the best Texans LB until Clowney plays another season or two.

If you want to disqualify Cushing for the PED test I have no problem with that. I won't guess who is clean in the NFL with no offseason testing, so I assume they all are. But I'm truly ok if you want to assume they are clean without evidence to the contrary.

[nunusguy]

I don't know where you are digging up your numbers ?
Wiki shows 939 total/combined tackles for DeMeco and 664 for Cushing while each has 13.5 sacks.
After your imagination we've only got the record for PEDs and one guy has never been busted but the other was busted twice.
FYI Cushing is a couple years younger so he might increase his totals if he
continues to play so maybe get back to me then if his totals are more impressive later.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I don't know where you are digging up your numbers ?
Wiki shows 939 total/combined tackles for DeMeco and 664 for Cushing while each has 13.5 sacks.
After your imagination we've only got the record for PEDs and one guy has never been busted but the other was busted twice.
FYI Cushing is a couple years younger so he might increase his totals if he
continues to play so maybe get back to me then if his totals are more impressive later.

You are counting Demeco's numbers for the Eagles in a best Texans LB discussion. That may have been a simple mistake, or you may actually believe what he did for Philly qualifies him as the best Texan. If so I immediately nominate Tony Boselli for best Texans OL.

You are also using assisted tackle numbers to get to 939. That's fine, but it will actually help Cushing even out the tackles numbers since he had far more assisted tackles.

I think you should keep to opinions because stats are not your thing.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

You are counting Demeco's numbers for the Eagles in a best Texans LB discussion. That may have been a simple mistake, or you may actually believe what he did for Philly qualifies him as the best Texan. If so I immediately nominate Tony Boselli for best Texans OL.

You are also using assisted tackle numbers to get to 939. That's fine, but it will actually help Cushing even out the tackles numbers since he had far more assisted tackles.

I think you should keep to opinions because stats are not your thing.

OK I don't care because I thought we were comparing complete career vs complete coreer, no matter then forget about the part of DeMecos career in Philly because just in 6 seasons in Houston DeMeco vs Cushings 9 season career had 13 % more tackles (480 vs 424). In other words Cushing had a career in Houston that was 50% longer than DeMeco's Texans career while the 'Bama backer compiled greater tackle totals. Hell if DeMeco would have been 9 years in Houston he would maybe have doubled up Cushing.
That was a silly nomination of Boselli, you should have gone with Ed Reed, even sillier because look at all of the interception stats you could have used.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

OK I don't care because I thought we were comparing complete career vs complete coreer, no matter then forget about the part of DeMecos career in Philly because just in 6 seasons in Houston DeMeco vs Cushings 9 season career had 13 % more tackles (480 vs 424). In other words Cushing had a career in Houston that was 50% longer than DeMeco's Texans career while the 'Bama backer compiled greater tackle totals. Hell if DeMeco would have been 9 years in Houston he would maybe have doubled up Cushing.
That was a silly nomination of Boselli, you should have gone with Ed Reed, even sillier because look at all of the interception stats you could have used.

I agree Ed Reed would have been the better choice.

I loved Demeco Ryans and think he's the 2nd best LB in Texans history. I think if the Texans hadn't switched to a 34 he might be the best LB in Texans history.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree Ed Reed would have been the better choice.

I loved Demeco Ryans and think he's the 2nd best LB in Texans history. I think if the Texans hadn't switched to a 34 he might be the best LB in Texans history.

And I think he was the Texans best LB not to include the edge/OLBs in the 3-4 like Jadeveon Clowney which is where he plays when he' not a 4-3 or 3-4 DE.

[HPF Bob]

Wasn't Capers a huge 3-4 coach and it wasn't until he got sacked that the defense switched to a 4-3? So when did we return to the 3-4? Wasn't it long after Ryans was traded?

It was when Wade Phillips showed up that we changed back to 3-4 and started that weird experiment with Mario.