8 Texans voted to Pro Bowl

[Arky]

I think we were shown who can be the Texans #2 wide receiver ...... JJ Watt!

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Arky

I think we were shown who can be the Texans #2 wide receiver ...... JJ Watt!

Funny thing is you know if he played for Belichik he would have been used at TE in a goal line situation already. I'm all for it. And before anyone jumps in and accuses me of inconsistency I will happily explain. Yes, I strongly condemned that half-witted, poorly conceived halfback "pass" attempt by Chris Brown that netted the team an interception. On a Kubiak resume littered with incredibly stupid decisions that one is particularly outstanding.

On the other hand using huge linemen as receiver-eligible in goal line situations is pure Parcells. And in my mind Bill Parcells was basically the perfect NFL coach.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by chuck

Funny thing is you know if he played for Belichik he would have been used at TE in a goal line situation already. I'm all for it. And before anyone jumps in and accuses me of inconsistency I will happily explain. Yes, I strongly condemned that half-witted, poorly conceived halfback "pass" attempt by Chris Brown that netted the team an interception. On a Kubiak resume littered with incredibly stupid decisions that one is particularly outstanding.

On the other hand using huge linemen as receiver-eligible in goal line situations is pure Parcells. And in my mind Bill Parcells was basically the perfect NFL coach.

I think Kubes took such harsh criticism for that Chris Brown play that he's a bit reticent to ever use trickeration again.... When was the last time the Texans ran a gadget play out of the norm? It's been a long time....

I'm just wondering what happened to Matt Schaub..... somewhere along the way, the switch got flipped and he turned into end-of-his-career Drew Bledsoe....

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Arky

I'm just wondering what happened to Matt Schaub..... somewhere along the way, the switch got flipped and he turned into end-of-his-career Drew Bledsoe....

This is a gravely serious problem. Having so much money sunk into a quarterback that is not elite, not even average, and looking more and more like a liability on the field is a very difficult issue to work around even for teams with competent and courageous leadership.

[Nconroe]

Overall, not that I saw all of it, but hilights like

JJ Watt being a tight end,
JPP getting an interception,
Peyton Mannings old center coming, Jeff Saturday, on for snap,
some guys playing hard,
Wilson throwing for three TD, although from a short field,

overall looked like an entertaining, fun game that players wanted to keep around.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by chuck

This is a gravely serious problem. Having so much money sunk into a quarterback that is not elite, not even average, and looking more and more like a liability on the field is a very difficult issue to work around even for teams with competent and courageous leadership.

Last six or so games, something does seem different. Hope earlier Schaub returns, and TJ Yates has improved. Anyways, as of now we do have 4 QB in upcoming off-season camp.

here is some historical perspective, maybe it will help:
http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/20...yoff-football/

[popanot]

From the article nconroe references above::
"The Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens both scored 28 points against the New England Patriots in the playoffs. Baltimore only allowed 13 points. The Texans allowed many more. The narrative says Joe Flacco is clutch, and Matt Schaub is many bad names."

Steph brings up some great points, and yes, the D played a huge role in losing that game. However, when comparing Schaub/Pats vs. Flacco/Pats, Steph fails to mention the 'boob-play' factor. Yes, the 28 points are the same, but Schaub made so many poor plays it killed any hopes of realistically keeping pace with the Pats and pulling out a W. The only thing missing from his two games against the Pats was an ass-sack by one of his own OL.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by popanot

From the article nconroe references above::
"The Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens both scored 28 points against the New England Patriots in the playoffs. Baltimore only allowed 13 points. The Texans allowed many more. The narrative says Joe Flacco is clutch, and Matt Schaub is many bad names."

Steph brings up some great points, and yes, the D played a huge role in losing that game. However, when comparing Schaub/Pats vs. Flacco/Pats, Steph fails to mention the 'boob-play' factor. Yes, the 28 points are the same, but Schaub made so many poor plays it killed any hopes of realistically keeping pace with the Pats and pulling out a W. The only thing missing from his two games against the Pats was an ass-sack by one of his own OL.

I thought the article was like everything else she's ever produced, just profoundly stupid.

If you watch the games then you know that for some reason Schaub was terrible basically the second half of the season and into the playoffs. There's no reason to hide from that, there's no reason to sugar-coat it, there's no reason to make idiotic comparisons to other players that have no meaning at all. Schaub sucked. That's it. Even Kubiak saw it. That's the only possible reason why he turtled up the offense and quit doing the things that were working earlier in the year. Maybe Schaub got hurt and we never knew about it. Who knows.

It's idiotic to pretend like Schaub was anything other that terrible through that final stretch. The only question is can he regain the form that we all saw in past years. If so the team can legitimately compete for a Super Bowl. If not we are in for another half-decade of misery.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by chuck

Funny thing is you know if he played for Belichik he would have been used at TE in a goal line situation already. I'm all for it. And before anyone jumps in and accuses me of inconsistency I will happily explain. Yes, I strongly condemned that half-witted, poorly conceived halfback "pass" attempt by Chris Brown that netted the team an interception. On a Kubiak resume littered with incredibly stupid decisions that one is particularly outstanding.

On the other hand using huge linemen as receiver-eligible in goal line situations is pure Parcells. And in my mind Bill Parcells was basically the perfect NFL coach.

JJ as a goal-line TE makes a lot of sense. He played the position early in his college career, he’s 40-45 lbs. heavier than Daniels, Graham, and Casey, he’s a couple inches taller than each of those guys plus (I believe) has longer arms and a better vertical for going after jump balls, and he’s a much better athlete with better hands than any OL they could put there. So even if they never threw it to him he should be a better blocker than the regular TEs and would have to be more respected by the D as a receiving threat than an extra OL. I’m sure the reason they’d give for not doing it is because they want to keep him as fresh as possible for defense, but how much would a handful of extra snaps (at most) per game wear him down? You know he’d be up for it.

The stats do not tell the whole story of Schaub vs. the Patriots.

[Joshua]

[QUOTE=Warren;33801] I’m sure the reason they’d give for not doing it is because they want to keep him as fresh as possible for defense, but how much would a handful of extra snaps (at most) per game wear him down? .[/QUOT

That's the optimistic explanation. I'm more inclined to believe they never even considered it because Kubiak and Co. don't think like that. I suspect it has never occurred to him to play a DE on offense. Now, clearly, my view is the pessimist view.

[HPF Bob]

I don't think it has occurred to the Texans either. They would be more inclined to have a fullback on the roster they could sneak out into the flat which was Shanahan's favorite goal-line trick play.

[cadams]

i have really lost faith in the team at this point. i think they have the talent to compete, and even got to the super bowl if everythign breaks right, but i agree with the assesments of the coaching staff. they have their way to do things, and that is the way things will be done. stick with the script, win or lose

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I don't think it has occurred to the Texans either. They would be more inclined to have a fullback on the roster they could sneak out into the flat which was Shanahan's favorite goal-line trick play.

Line the mofo up at fullback then, Gary, damn.