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Old 01-04-2012, 07:55 PM
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Based on that pick, he is one of those guys that doesn't understand how Wade's defense works. Not that there is anything wrong with having a guy like that, but not with our number 1 pick. IMO, that needs to go for either the best WR or CB on the board when we pick and I would lean towards the WR.
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:42 PM
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Based on that pick, he is one of those guys that doesn't understand how Wade's defense works.
Excellent point. Actually, if the team wanted an interior D-lineman, the guy Rang has going to the Pats at 28 would make more sense (plus he's more from further southeast where Dale Strahm likes his prey):
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Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State: Cox will appeal to Bill Belichick for various reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the 6-4, 295-pound junior is just scratching the surface of his potential. And make no mistake, the potential is there for Cox to be a star. The Bulldog defensive tackle earned the SEC Defensive Lineman of the Week four times this season and is highly regarded by scouts because of his size, strength and ability to play inside or out in multiple fronts. That type of versatility will also certainly intrigue Belichick.
Easily the top need though is at CB. Sure they have needs at other positions, but a first round pick should probably start immediately, and there is a Help Wanted sign hanging around Kareem Jackson's neck right now.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:12 PM
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I don't believe Smith will admit he was wrong on Jackson yet. They spent the last 6 weeks trying to trumpet his "improved" play. Not to mention they buried Brandon Harris (a 2nd rounder) in the name of keeping Kareem on the field. CB would be my choice, but I think it is very unlikely we go CB on day 1 or 2.

I don't like WR #1 and have given a ton of reasons so I won't repeat them all. If we did go WR though in my opinion it has to be a big time return guy who can make a huge impact there since the #2 WR in our offense does not get a ton of balls and we go 2 TE a ton.

I would be happy going OL #1. Either the best Guard or Tackle (that would move Winston inside).

I don't see DT as a huge need since our NT only plays about 30% of the snaps and Watt and Smith are great inside on passing downs. Same with MLB.

I would go QB if I fell in love with a guy who could be had, but again I highly doubt we go that direction.

So since I don't think our front office will go CB or QB (my top 2 needs)...

I would trade down if someone else had a guy they had to have (like Denver moving up for Tebow 2 years ago to about where we are at).

Or if I can't trade down, I would go BPA at OG, OT, NT, MLB (get cheaper, younger and better suited to a 34 than Demeco), WR/KR/PR.

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Old 01-05-2012, 06:01 PM
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This far down in the first round, a trade down into the early second round is a really good move. The difference between first-round money and second-round money can be significant and we would be able to add a 3rd or a next year's second in the deal.

If there's no gotta-have guy in our spot, I'd strongly advise it.
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Old 01-06-2012, 12:29 AM
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This far down in the first round, a trade down into the early second round is a really good move. The difference between first-round money and second-round money can be significant and we would be able to add a 3rd or a next year's second in the deal.

If there's no gotta-have guy in our spot, I'd strongly advise it.
Trouble with trying to trade down is someone else has to be trying to trade up. In this draft as I see it falling right now, I am not seeing that guy that a team in the early 2nd round must have to trade up for. In the mid 20s of this draft, there is no OG worth taking at this time, there does not appear to be that QB that is not a a top 10 pick but could be a first rounder that is slipping.

There are WRs, CBs and RB galore in the late 1st this year.

Now I know all of my ranking will change with the all star games and the combine, so ignore what I am saying right now. But I am looking forward to us getting lucky and landing a guy like Jeffery when we pick.

BTW if we get lucky and go to the AFC championship or further then all bets are off as to who we pick.
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:00 AM
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Patience, PK. It's only January and there's always movement between then and now - a workout warrior who climbs the charts, a guy everyone thought would be gone the first day who is still on the board, needs that pop up through free agency moves. There's always somebody chomping at the bit to move up and get some guy before anyone else does but it's way too early to know who or for what.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:58 AM
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Trading down has less financial allure now with the new CBA. First round picks will not be as expensive as they were before.

And while adding an extra pick would be nice in a trade down scenario (esp given the added confidence we should have from the 2011 draft haul), if there is a good CB available 5-10 picks before the Texans select, trading up may not be that poor of a notion.

Of course the Texans are not 'one player away', but they are sure a heck of a lot closer than any of us thought they were even six months ago. One promising CB could be worth it. The Texans hit jackpot in FA signing Joseph, but FA CBs are expensive.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:55 AM
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Trouble with trying to trade down is someone else has to be trying to trade up. In this draft as I see it falling right now, I am not seeing that guy that a team in the early 2nd round must have to trade up for. In the mid 20s of this draft, there is no OG worth taking at this time, there does not appear to be that QB that is not a a top 10 pick but could be a first rounder that is slipping.

There are WRs, CBs and RB galore in the late 1st this year.

Now I know all of my ranking will change with the all star games and the combine, so ignore what I am saying right now. But I am looking forward to us getting lucky and landing a guy like Jeffery when we pick.

BTW if we get lucky and go to the AFC championship or further then all bets are off as to who we pick.
Does Jeffrey return kicks or punts? I really think that anyone we draft needs to have that ability. The #2 WR does not get a ton of balls in our run first offense, and we play as many 2 and 3 TE sets as anyone in the NFL. So I really don't see any WR having a huge visible impact on offense unless we change the gameplan to get them the ball (and any gameplan where we run it less is bad for this team).

But if a guy has Dez Bryant/Patrick Peterson return skills, he can impact the game in a huge way on special teams, have a modest offensive impact, and still be worth the pick and be viewed as a contributor. Not to mention anyone we draft is likely the replacement to JJ, leaving us with nobody at PR and little at KR already since we stopped using Manning. Special teams is one of the areas are team can be upgraded the quickest and WR/KR/PR is the only special teams role that can be justified in the 1st round unless you are the raiders.
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