Kubiak officially out, Smith staying?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Well, Schottenheimer has never been to a Super Bowl, much less won one. He has John Elway and Tom Brady to thank for that.

Elway and Brady, both white. It must be a conspiracy. Of course, they're both quarterbacks.

[HPF Bob]

May I remind you, Chuck, that Smith didn't hire Kubiak. Smith came later, even though they both came from the Broncos. He has no track record for hiring head coaches so it's all speculation at this time. It's just that the overall track record of minority GMs is that they hire fellow minorities as their head coaches/managers. It's not always the case (Ozzie Newsome, for one) but it is a trend - one that I think means we should not dismiss minority HCs in the speculation.

FWIW, if the Vikes are dumb enough not to keep Leslie Frazier, I'd be thrilled to give him a shot here. I think he has potential to be the next Jeff Fisher (if we can't get Fisher).

But if Smith is staying, that will make it harder to reel in the big names circulating in the media because most of them want a lot of control and a sitting GM is not likely to give it.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

May I remind you, Chuck, that Smith didn't hire Kubiak. Smith came later, even though they both came from the Broncos. He has no track record for hiring head coaches so it's all speculation at this time. It's just that the overall track record of minority GMs is that they hire fellow minorities as their head coaches/managers.

Sure, please remind me. You know, I am simply a casual fan with no real recollection of or interest in the team's history, so, please, yes, remind me that Smith came after Kubiak.

That makes your claim that minority GMs hire minority head coaches all the more absurd. Reese? His HC is Coughlin. WHITE. Newsome? His HC is Harbaugh. WHITE.

I mean, seriously. WTF planet are you on? Why do you think that Smith would be more inclined to hire an AA head coach than any other? Your world view is pathetic. Seriously. I actually feel sorry for you knowing that you think that the BLACK folk are out to steal your tax dollars and that the GM of your second favorite football team (third favorite?) is going to hire a BLACK head coach simply because he himself is BLACK.

Really, Bob. I don't mean to be patronizing; I say this to you as a friend. This is 2011, not 1961. Race has faded as an issue. It is still an issue, sure, thanks largely to attitudes such as yours. But please, let that shit go and let's move on to relevant matters. We're witnessing and even participating in the decline of an empire and rather than confront that you want to resurrect George Wallace. It's crazy. It really is.

Kenny Williams? Guillen. Not BLACK, but close enough for you I guess. BROWN. And he speaks SPANISH.

OK. I'll give you that one.

[cadams]

while i would prefer that mcnair fire everyone and start over, if they get rid of kubiak and keep smith, that will at least show me he really wants to win. i don't know whether smith is any good or not. given kubiak basically hired him i don't know how much power he actually had. if smith does hire the new hc, then i at least hope it is someone he has never worked with, even if it is a coordinator.

[Warren]

My preferences:

1. Blow it up -- fire both. Both have had ample opportunity and neither has gotten the job done. Bring in a consultant with experience in building a winning franchise to advise how those organizations are structured and provide significant input on a short list of GM and head coach candidates. Ron Wolf would be at the top of my list for this role; Dan Reeves wouldn't be on it. With his input, hire a GM who will have authority to hire the head coach, subject to veto by McNair.

or

2. Bring in the consultant and with his input hire a GM, who would have authority to fire or retain Kubiak and/or Smith, although if retained Smith would have a reduced role. If Kubiak is retained the new guy would "help" him hire a new defensive coordinator. If not, the new GM would hire the head coach subject to veto by McNair.

[coloradodude]

Chuck,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point.

Racism is alive and well in the good ol US of A. While it's not sheeky sheeky, the media and governmental laws force regular folk to act like racism is non-existent. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You should get to know several black guys that date white chicks and find out their real motivation. You will be shocked. They don't date Mexican (Spanish) chicks on a large scale like the targeted white women despite the serious natural beauty of a Latino woman. (and please don't try the 'white women have lower morals angle' because that would be a form of racism even though you may be white yourself despite Hank Hill's dead on observation)

The anger runs deep.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Warren

...although if retained Smith would have a reduced role.

As I've said elsewhere I'd really like to establish exactly what his role has been. I don't think we know how much if any influence he had on draft day. I'm not trying to excuse him for his missteps, just trying to gather information.

CD: While there are certainly individuals and institutions that deliberately or unwittingly continue to make race a divisive issue in our society it seems clear to me that our society is evolving, slowly, into a society where race is less and less relevant. As to the "real motivation" behind black guys dating white girls, well, I'm all ears.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by chuck

I mean, seriously. WTF planet are you on?

The one where we don't flee the country and only occasionally return to cheer a team with the most porous defense this side of the U.S. Border Patrol.

But I didn't mean to turn this thread into yet another argument on race. We'll see if Smith brings in more than the Rooney Rule token for HC candidates. Right now, it's just too early to draw a conclusion.

[WMH]

The latest Twitter rumor is that Kubiak stays, and Wade Phillips comes in as DC.....Doesn't mention about Smith.

@JasonLaCanfora: Speaking to coaches and executives today, hearing rumblings of Wade Phillips possibly landing as coordinator in HOU w/ Kubiak as head coach

@JasonLaCanfora: Many, myself included, figured the Texans collapse, including an on-field fight, would lead to a taskmaster taking over as head coach...

@JasonLaCanfora: But from what I've heard this morning, that might not be the end result there.

IE, who the hell knows what Bob is gonna do......including Bob.
SCARY!

[Keith]

Originally Posted by WMH

IE, who the hell knows what Bob is gonna do......including Bob.
SCARY!

Enough is enough... time for Janice to step in and call the shots on Kirby.

[mojox]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Chuck,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point.

Racism is alive and well in the good ol US of A. While it's not sheeky sheeky, the media and governmental laws force regular folk to act like racism is non-existent. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You should get to know several black guys that date white chicks and find out their real motivation. You will be shocked. They don't date Mexican (Spanish) chicks on a large scale like the targeted white women despite the serious natural beauty of a Latino woman. (and please don't try the 'white women have lower morals angle' because that would be a form of racism even though you may be white yourself despite Hank Hill's dead on observation)

The anger runs deep.

I know several black guys. Grew up with them, attended college with them. Even work with many as both colleagues and court mates. And yes, about half the black men (and women) I know date white people. Their real motivation springs not from anger, but from their loins and hearts. From the ones I know, this post is bull**** and an example of the virulent, pc, under the radar racism prevalent in society.

[mojox]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The one where we don't flee the country and only occasionally return to cheer a team with the most porous defense this side of the U.S. Border Patrol.

But I didn't mean to turn this thread into yet another argument on race. We'll see if Smith brings in more than the Rooney Rule token for HC candidates. Right now, it's just too early to draw a conclusion.

I certainly hope Smith brings in more than token candidates. Just bring in the qualified, whatever color they may be. Dungy ain't the only good not white coach out there.

[Arky]

This is interesting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5966936

HOUSTON -- Texans coach Gary Kubiak has two Houston football icons in his corner as he faces his uncertain future.

Former Oilers coach Bum Phillips and ex-Oilers quarterback Dan Pastorini attended Wednesday's practice and urged Texans owner Bob McNair to retain Kubiak despite the team's nosedive this season.

......

[mojox]

Bum Phillips weighing in on the situation:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7357738.html

FWIW, I can live with Kubiak/Wade. But Kubiak/"some guy still learning the job" won't do.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The one where we don't flee the country and only occasionally return to cheer a team with the most porous defense this side of the U.S. Border Patrol.

You can make fun of me for "flee(ing) the country" if you want to, but I assure you I will always have the last laugh on that deal. And don't worry, dude, a couple more years of a shit economy around here and no brown person in his or her right mind will want to sneak in. You can sit around and enjoy a feeble, decaying economy with nothing but fellow citizens with whom to commiserate.

How anyone cannot see that Kubiak's offense is also a serious problem I just don't know. There is just no possible justification for keeping him as the head coach. If McNair does keep him I will be utterly dumbfounded. And correct in my thinking - I guess there's always a silver lining.

[NBT]

So welcome to the good 'Ol U.S of A., even if it is only online Chuck. Here's one justification for Kubiak - he is a good OC! Problem is he is not a motivator. You would think with the salaries these jocks make, they wouldn't need "ol MO", but just like most people, they do.

If Bob (haven't a clue) McNair was smart, he would leave Kubiak as OC, hire a hell-fire DC, and kind of let the situation simmer a while longer. After all isn't that what he has been doing?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by NBT

So welcome to the good 'Ol U.S of A., even if it is only online Chuck

I'm actually in Houston right now, which reminds me - I'm up for a tailgate before this final game Sunday. The 3:15 start is a rare blessing and I intend to make full use of it. I've floated this before and have been met with deafening silence but I thought I'd try again. I'm in the Blue Lot.

[Nconroe]

Originally Posted by mojox

Bum Phillips weighing in on the situation:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/7357738.html

FWIW, I can live with Kubiak/Wade. But Kubiak/"some guy still learning the job" won't do.

Yeah, I think this is a strong indicator what is likely to happen, but who knows.

If it turns out to be Kubiak HC and Wade the new DC, I'm ok with it.

Wade has a pretty good track record as DC, although mostly using 3-4 alignment.

I'll be in SA on Sunday.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by chuck

As I've said elsewhere I'd really like to establish exactly what his role has been. I don't think we know how much if any influence he had on draft day. I'm not trying to excuse him for his missteps, just trying to gather information.

I see your point and maybe I'm assuming too much. My understanding is that Kubiak has to signs off on the Texans' moves (which would mean that Smith would likely be the one initiating those moves), but unless Kubiak nixed some moves that would've been significant I think Smith has to be held responsible (along with Kubiak). I have a hard time believing that Kubiak and Smith disagreed all that much, though.

[coloradodude]

Welcome back 3-4 defense!

I wonder what the guys who wear Mario's jersey every night for pajamas are gonna say now!

Will he be a DE still or...oh no...a LB?

Probably a DE and hopefully Wade will teach him how to play against the run. Yeah I said governor...he sucks against the run.