Would anyone like to move Robinson to FS??

[Blitzwood]

I don't think he has the size or cover skills to play CB at a high level. He's looks at his best at FS where he can roam and make plays.

I was thinking more along the lines of Warren, Cox, or possibly Wilson.

If we decide to go CB in the mid rounds Walter McFadden or Joshua Moore.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

If we decide to go CB in the mid rounds Walter McFadden or Joshua Moore.

What about Donovan Warren from Michigan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73Uu3L-jCw

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

What about Donovan Warren from Michigan?

I like Warren, but have him as my #4 CB behind Haden, Cox, and Wilson.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

I don't think he has the size or cover skills to play CB at a high level. He's looks at his best at FS where he can roam and make plays.

I was thinking more along the lines of Warren, Cox, or possibly Wilson.

If we decide to go CB in the mid rounds Walter McFadden or Joshua Moore.

How can a guy not have the size to play CB but have the size to play FS?

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by barrett

How can a guy not have the size to play CB but have the size to play FS?

Earl Thomas' biggest downside is his small frame. He's not gonna give a receiver alot of jam or physicality running a route, especially in the NFL. His best position IMO, is a ballhawking FS.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Earl Thomas' biggest downside is his small frame. He's not gonna give a receiver alot of jam or physicality running a route, especially in the NFL. His best position IMO, is a ballhawking FS.

I repeat my question. How can a guy be big enough to play FS but too small for CB? Teams definitely look for more size in a FS then in a CB. If he is truly too small for CB then we definitely don't want him at FS.

[popanot]

I know the guy's not afraid to hit throw his body around, but it's not like DRob has a big frame (for a CB or FS). I can't imagine Thomas being any smaller than DRob.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by barrett

I repeat my question. How can a guy be big enough to play FS but too small for CB?

Maybe you should read his scouting report......

Here's a small sample(from footballfanspot.com):

1/23/10: Undersized and has poor tackling form, but he hits hard and his fundamental tackling issues can be corrected. He’s only 20 years old, but he had 8 picks this year showing his ballhawking abilities as a free safety. He has decent coverage skills too and could be looked at as a cornerback, though he has more value as a safety. His only issue will be at 5-11 190, fighting through the physicality at the line of scrimmage on running plays, and also, as is the case for someone who plays as wildly as he does at a small size, injuries in the future could be a concern.

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His speed in the open field is amazing and he has excellent closing speed to finish off ball carrier, denying them that extra yard or two, or to close on the ball while its in the air and get a pick, something he did 8 times this season. He has excellent hands and patrols a zone extremely well, though his ability to cover a guy man to man and predict where a wide receiver is going aren’t very good.

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He’s really going to be at a disadvantage if asked to cover a tight end. Some see him as a cornerback, but I don’t see him as much more than a nickelback in the NFL, unless it were in a zone scheme, because his man coverage skills leave a lot to be desired.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

Maybe you should read his scouting report......

Here's a small sample(from footballfanspot.com):

1/23/10: Undersized and has poor tackling form, but he hits hard and his fundamental tackling issues can be corrected. He’s only 20 years old, but he had 8 picks this year showing his ballhawking abilities as a free safety. He has decent coverage skills too and could be looked at as a cornerback, though he has more value as a safety. His only issue will be at 5-11 190, fighting through the physicality at the line of scrimmage on running plays, and also, as is the case for someone who plays as wildly as he does at a small size, injuries in the future could be a concern.

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His speed in the open field is amazing and he has excellent closing speed to finish off ball carrier, denying them that extra yard or two, or to close on the ball while its in the air and get a pick, something he did 8 times this season. He has excellent hands and patrols a zone extremely well, though his ability to cover a guy man to man and predict where a wide receiver is going aren’t very good.

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He’s really going to be at a disadvantage if asked to cover a tight end. Some see him as a cornerback, but I don’t see him as much more than a nickelback in the NFL, unless it were in a zone scheme, because his man coverage skills leave a lot to be desired.

None of that has anything to do with my question.

They say he is undersized for a FS. They say he will have trouble fighting through traffic at the LOS on running plays. They say he will struggle to cover TEs due to size.

None of that has anything to do with playing CB. The only thing about him playing CB is the opinion that he would not be very good at it because he lacks in man coverage. So basically this website says he is small for FS and not good enough in coverage for CB. It says absolutely nothing about him being big enough for FS and too small for CB (in fact it says the exact opposite).

So no matter how many lines you bolded, your earlier statements still make no sense. Because you need more size to play FS then CB.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by barrett

Because you need more size to play FS then CB.

Um.......thanks for clarifying, no.... answering,.... your ongoing, whiny question.

I hope you feel better now...

Now, if you go back to the beginning of this thread, Roy asked me if I thought Earl Thomas could be our CB. I disagreed, saying he's , you guessed it, undersized and doesn't have great cover skills needed to defend at the next level.

I still think he'll be a fine FS and would love to have him on our team, but knowing Kubiak's preferences, that probably won't happen. We could really use his playmaking abilities in the secondary, but Coach is probably gonna want his FS to help in run support. I don't think he'd be opposed to that, but he struggled against arguably the best running game in the country in the championship game.

Second, I think we all know the prototypical NFL FS is over 6' and 200 lbs, Noone is arguing that point, well .....almost.

Next, I showed you a scouting report stating he was clearly a FS, clearly undersized, and clearly very competent to play his position, all while not having great cover skills.

I never said he didn't have the size to play CB, I said he didn't have the size or the cover skills to play CB at a high level. He looks at his best at FS where he can roam and make plays.

Don't misled or misquote people here based upon your assumptions.

I know what I said and stand by it 100%.



Also, have you watched this kid play?? This kid brings it every down.

You might want to rethink your earlier comment "If he is truly too small for CB then we definitely don't want him at FS."


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[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

How can a guy not have the size to play CB but have the size to play FS?

So true.
But this whole subject is surely moot because it's very unlikely Robinson is even with the Texans for the '10 season.