2010 My Guys

[texan]

If Thomas declares, and he's there at our pick, that's the guy I want.

Roy, I can't see us taking a LB in the first, we've got much bigger needs that need to be filled.

[barrett]

It would be very tough to go LB in the first due to the fact that Cushing stays on the field on 3rd down and does a great job of it. That means if you draft a great WLB you are removing Ryans or Cushing on 3rd down (the WLB's biggest down) and because of that it is a limited impact.

I would hope secondary, but I would be ok with OL, RB, WR, or DL in that order also.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

It would be very tough to go LB in the first due to the fact that Cushing stays on the field on 3rd down and does a great job of it. That means if you draft a great WLB you are removing Ryans or Cushing on 3rd down (the WLB's biggest down) and because of that it is a limited impact.

I would hope secondary, but I would be ok with OL, RB, WR, or DL in that order also.

OK if we take Weatherspoon that would be 3 guys that can all stay on the field. The team can rotate the coverages, and blitzes. All three guys can play all three positions, not a bad thing, what if Ryans went down? With Weatherspoon and Cushing, you are OK in coverage.

I want to have a super group, either at LB or on the DL. I don't care where.

[nunusguy]

Weatherspoon would be a solid pick so long as he can cover the likes of Reggie Wayne on a deep post or fly-pattern, otherwise if he can't impersonate a CB lets make that position top-priority in the first round if we go D. But for a player that would be off the field in nickel packages, Cody or another big run-stopping DT seems to make more sense ?

[HPF Bob]

FYI - In Rob Rang's most recent mock, he has us taking RB Jahvid Best. Another mock on CBS has us taking CB Patrick Robinson of Florida St.

I guess Best would be drafted on the "Best Available" theory.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK if we take Weatherspoon that would be 3 guys that can all stay on the field. The team can rotate the coverages, and blitzes. All three guys can play all three positions, not a bad thing, what if Ryans went down? With Weatherspoon and Cushing, you are OK in coverage.

I want to have a super group, either at LB or on the DL. I don't care where.

So you want to draft another LB and keep all 3 on the field at once on 3rd downs?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by barrett

So you want to draft another LB and keep all 3 on the field at once on 3rd downs?

Old School baby. Thank old Steelers Russel, Lambert and Hamm.

Any one of the LBs can cover a TE or a RB.

Three WRs? You pull one of the LBs, but which one?

[barrett]

That's my point. 3rd down is a 3 WR down in the NFL. Actually, for some teams 1st and 2nd down are 3 WR downs. It's a passing league.

That is why I didn't like taking Cushing at first. Because in the NFL only two of your LBs play more than half the snaps and I wrongly assumed that as a SLB, Cushing would be the type to come out in those situations. Obviously he is not.

So, with what we have at LB already, drafting Witherspoon would mean that either our first round pick, or one of our two pro bowl LBs would be playing less than half the snaps. Its' just not going to happen.

If we go LB at all I would suspect it is a late rounder to back up Demeco. Do you guys have eyes on anyone who fits that billing (6th or 7th round plugger who is long on instincts but likely appears short on athleticism).

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

Actually, for some teams 1st and 2nd down are 3 WR downs. It's a passing league.

So, with what we have at LB already, drafting Witherspoon would mean that either our first round pick, or one of our two pro bowl LBs would be playing less than half the snaps. Its' just not going to happen.

If we go LB at all I would suspect it is a late rounder to back up Demeco. Do you guys have eyes on anyone who fits that billing (6th or 7th round plugger who is long on instincts but likely appears short on athleticism).

First, we don't have to take a LB off the field in Nickle packages. In fact, most of the time when we saw a passing situation, one of the D-Lineman would come off the field and we'd rush only 3. So, a 3-3-5 look isn't out of the question.

Secondly, just because you draft a player in the first round doesn't mean you will get a 1st round talent. If we had this team and were going into the 2004 draft, I'd rather select D.J. Williams than to select Ahmad Carroll. I'm also considering the possibility of getting a player like Nathan Vasher later in the draft to meet my need at the CB position.

Lastly, if you are merely looking for a player to be DeMeco's backup in the 6th round, might I suggest

Josh Hull, Penn State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/565760

Boris Lee, Troy
Height: 6-0. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1128971

Ryan D'Imperio, Rutgers
Height: 6-3. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1115023

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

So you want to draft another LB and keep all 3 on the field at once on 3rd downs?

Yes. I'll also have the offense guess which one is coming on the blitz too.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Yes. I'll also have the offense guess which one is coming on the blitz too.

Roy and I agree on this one. Cushing was the best coverage LB in the NFL, stats bear that out, and Weatherspoon is considered a top cover guy. Funny thing is both of these guys can also rush the passer. Now, let the QB guess which guy is hot and which guy is laying back.

[barrett]

It doesn't matter if they are top cover LBs. They still can't cover like a slot receiver, which is what one of them would have to do to make it plausible to have all 3 on the field in passing downs.

Look around the NFL and you'll see that no 4-3 team is playing 3 LBs on 3rd down. Most aren't even playing two. And it's not because nobody has come up with the inovation yet, it's because the forward pass was invented and it stopped being useful to have 3 LBs on the field at once on passing downs. Especially since a 3-3-5 is going to slide Mario in and make it tougher for him to rush the passer. A 3-3-5 on 3rd down also makes Connor Barwin useless. And I doubt the GM is looking to draft players that make his 2nd round pick from last year irrelevant.

Honestly there are too many logical reasons to list for why we won't go LB in round 1 in a million years.

But I don't need to argue this one. You guys can draft as many LBs as you want for your offseason defense. I don't have to agree with your X's and O's to appreciate the great work you do researching draft prospects.

So I'll just focus on your guys at OL, DT, FS, CB, RB, WR.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by texan

If Thomas declares, and he's there at our pick, that's the guy I want.

I heard he Declared........I may have to figure out where he goes on my board.
Does he go ahead of 'Spoon? Haden?

[HPF Bob]

The Austin paper confirms Thomas intends to go pro citing the need to do "what's best for my family". Good luck to him.

[Roy P]

1 DT Ndamukong Suh 6'4" 302 Nebraska
2 S *Eric Berry 5'11" 203 Tennessee
3 DT *Gerald McCoy 6'4" 295 Oklahoma
4 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 Texas
5 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 Missouri
6 LB *Rolando McClain 6'4" 245 Alabama
7 CB *Joe Haden 5'11" 190 Florida
8 CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 Michigan
9 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 Florida St
10 OT Russell Okung 6'6" 305 Oklahoma St
11 LB Travis Lewis 6'2" 232 Oklahoma
12 RB CJ Spiller 5'11" 195 Clemson
13 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 Tennessee
14 DE *Derrick Morgan 6'4" 265 Georgia Tech
15 WR *Dez Bryant 6'2" 210 Oklahoma St
16 RB *Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 235 Georgia Tech
17 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 Fresno St.
18 LB Brandon Spikes 6'3" 256 Florida
19 DT Brian Price 6'2" 300 UCLA
20 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 Wake Forest
21 OG Mike Iupati 6'5" 330 Idaho
22 LB Greg Jones 6'1" 223 Michigan State
23 WR Golden Tate 5'11" 195 Notre Dame
24 LB Navorro Bowman 6'1" 232 Penn St
25 WR Brandon LaFell 6'3" 206 LSU
26 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 Boise St
27 LB Roddrick Muckelroy 6'2" 235 Texas
28 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 Stanford
29 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 Kansas
30 OT Kyle Calloway 6'7" 318 Iowa
31 OT Joseph Barksdale 6'5" 315 LSU
32 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 Illinois
33 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 Iowa
34 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 Tennessee
35 CB Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 Vanderbilt
36 WR Danario Alexander 6'4" 210 Missouri
37 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 Mississippi St
38 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 224 TCU
39 OC Kristofer O'Dowd 6'5" 298 USC
40 CB Javier Arenas 5'9" 198 Alabama
41 DT Lamarr Houston 2-Jun 284 Texas
42 RB Charles Scott 5'11" 234 LSU
43 OC Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 298 Penn St
44 OC Matt Tennant 6'4" 295 Boston College
45 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 Baylor
46 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 188 Rutgers
47 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 Auburn
48 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 Alabama
49 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 Iowa
50 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 UCLA
51 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 300 Purdue
52 LB Keenan Clayton 6'2" 220 Oklahoma
53 OG Thomas Austin 6'3" 315 Clemson
54 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
55 LB O'Brien Schofield 6'2" 250 Wisconsin
56 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 Kentucky
57 DT Vince Oghobaase 6'6" 302 Duke
58 LB Darryl Sharpton 5'11" 235 Miami
59 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 Utah
60 LB Perry Riley 6'1" 245 LSU
61 DT Boo Robinson 6'1" 305 Wake Forest
62 DT Nate Collins 6'2" 290 Virginia
63 CB Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 Oklahoma
64 RB Chris Brown 5'11" 210 Oklahoma
65 OC Ted Larsen 6'2" 300 North Carolina St
66 CB Jerome Murphy 1-Jun 185 South Florida
67 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 303 Notre Dame
68 LB Josh Hull 6'3" 240 Penn St
69 DT Mick Williams 6'1" 280 Pittsburgh

[Roy P]

1 DT Ndamukong Suh 6'4" 302 Nebraska
2 S *Eric Berry 5'11" 203 Tennessee
3 DT *Gerald McCoy 6'4" 295 Oklahoma
4 CB *Joe Haden 5'11" 190 Florida
5 OT Trent Williams 6'5" 308 Oklahoma
6 S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 Texas
7 LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 Missouri
8 LB *Rolando McClain 6'4" 245 Alabama
9 CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 Florida St
10 OT Russell Okung 6'6" 305 Oklahoma St
11 LB Travis Lewis 6'2" 232 Oklahoma
12 RB CJ Spiller 5'11" 195 Clemson
13 DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 Tennessee
14 DE *Derrick Morgan 6'4" 265 Georgia Tech
15 WR *Dez Bryant 6'2" 210 Oklahoma St
16 LB Brandon Spikes 6'3" 256 Florida
17 OG Mike Iupati 6'5" 330 Idaho
18 WR Golden Tate 5'11" 195 Notre Dame
19 WR Brandon LaFell 6'3" 206 LSU
20 RB *Jonathan Dwyer 5'11" 235 Georgia Tech
21 RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 Fresno St.
22 CB Syd'Quan Thompson 5'9" 188 California
23 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 Wake Forest
24 DT Brian Price 6'2" 300 UCLA
25 DE Greg Hardy 6'4" 265 Mississippi
26 LB Greg Jones 6'1" 223 Michigan State
27 LB Navorro Bowman 6'1" 232 Penn St
28 DE Corey Wootton 6'6" 270 Northwestern
29 CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 Michigan
30 LB Sean Lee 6'2" 236 Penn St
31 OG Jon Asamoah 6'4" 308 Illinois
32 OT Joseph Barksdale 6'5" 315 LSU
33 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 Mississippi St
34 OC Matt Tennant 6'4" 295 Boston College
35 DE George Selvie 6'4" 245 South Florida
36 CB Jerome Murphy 6'1" 185 South Florida
37 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 Boise St
38 LB Roddrick Muckelroy 6'2" 235 Texas
39 RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 Stanford
40 S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 Kansas
41 OG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 Alabama
42 OT Kyle Calloway 6'7" 318 Iowa
43 WR Danario Alexander 6'4" 210 Missouri
44 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 Iowa
45 RB Montario Hardesty 6'0" 215 Tennessee
46 LB Dekoda Watson 6'2" 226 Florida St
47 CB Javier Arenas 5'9" 198 Alabama
48 FS Major Wright Florida
49 LB Daryl Washington 6'2" 224 TCU
50 OT Charles Brown 6'5" 298 USC
51 OC Kristofer O'Dowd 6'5" 298 USC
52 CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 Kentucky
53 DT Lamarr Houston 6'2" 284 Texas
54 OC Stefen Wisniewski 6'3" 298 Penn St
55 OC JD Walton 6'3" 305 Baylor
56 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 188 Rutgers
57 QB Sean Canfield 6'4" 215 Oregon St
58 CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 UCLA
59 LB O'Brien Schofield 6'2" 250 Wisconsin
60 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 Auburn
61 CB Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 Vanderbilt
62 RB Charles Scott 5'11" 234 LSU
63 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 Iowa
64 DT Mike Neal 6'3" 300 Purdue
65 LB Keenan Clayton 6'2" 220 Oklahoma
66 QB Dan LeFevour 6'3" 226 Central Michigan
67 DT Vince Oghobaase 6'6" 302 Duke
68 LB Darryl Sharpton 5'11" 235 Miami
69 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 Utah
70 CB Brian Jackson 6'1" 202 Oklahoma
71 OC Ted Larsen 6'2" 300 North Carolina St
72 CB Sherrick McManis 5'11" 190 Northwestern
73 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 Kentucky
74 LB Perry Riley 6'1" 245 LSU
75 DT Nate Collins 6'2" 290 Virginia
76 RB Andre Anderson 5'11" 212 Tulane
77 RB Chris Brown 5'11" 210 Oklahoma
78 DT Torrell Troup 6' 3" 314 Central Florida
79 OC Eric Olsen 6'4" 303 Notre Dame
80 OG Thomas Austin 6'3" 315 Clemson
81 DT Boo Robinson 6'1" 305 Wake Forest
82 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 East Carolina
83 LB Josh Hull 6'3" 240 Penn St
84 LB Ryan D'Imperio 6'1" 240 Rutgers
85 FS Chris Cook 6'2" 210 Virginia
86 DT Mick Williams 6'1" 280 Pittsburgh

[gunn]

Charles Brown looks like a top 10 pick to me. Could possibly be the best tackle in the draft... maybe a notch behind Okung

[Roy P]

1 DT Ndamukong Suh
2 S *Eric Berry
3 CB *Joe Haden
4 DT *Gerald McCoy
5 OT Russell Okung
6 OT Trent Williams
7 LB Sean Weatherspoon
8 LB *Rolando McClain
9 DT Tyson Alualu
10 S Earl Thomas
11 CB Patrick Robinson
12 DT Dan Williams
13 OG Mike Iupati
15 RB Ryan Matthews
16 RB CJ Spiller
17 CB Brandon Ghee
18 CB Syd'Quan Thompson
19 OG Vladimir Ducasse
20 OT Charles Brown
21 CB Donovan Warren
22 DE Corey Wootton
23 DT Brian Price
24 DE Greg Hardy
25 LB Navorro Bowman
26 RB Anthony Dixon
27 DT Lamarr Houston
28 CB Kyle Wilson
29 OG Mike Johnson
30 OG Jon Asamoah
31 CB Trevard Lindley
32 OT Kyle Calloway
33 CB Devin McCourty
34 OC Kristofer O'Dowd
35 RB Toby Gerhart
36 LB Roddrick Muckelroy
37 WR *Arrelious Benn
38 S Darrell Stuckey
39 RB Montario Hardesty
40 CB Javier Arenas
41 WR Danario Alexander
42 CB Alterraun Verner
43 LB AJ Edds
44 LB Rennie Curran
45 LB Dekoda Watson
46 LB Daryl Washington
47 OC Matt Tennant
48 OC Stefen Wisniewski
49 OC JD Walton
50 QB Sean Canfield
51 RB Ben Tate
52 CB Myron Lewis
53 RB Charles Scott
54 DT Mike Neal
55 LB Pat Angerer
56 CB Brian Jackson
57 QB Dan LeFevour
58 QB John Skelton
59 DT Vince Oghobaase
60 S Robert Johnson

Kyle Wilson can be moving up from #28 after watching his Senior Bowl Practice Monday.