Dunta Watch 2009

[NBT]

It is pretty plain to me. Dunta has worn out his welcome here. If we are now down to 6th rnd pick Brice McCain, so be it!

[TexanJedi]

Surely a vet CB will be cut at some point and the Texans can look there. Dunta has to come in at some point, but I would have a backup plan.

[Keith]

I think it's best to set aside the emotional aspect for a bit, this is business.

The question isn't about whether Dunta is worth $23 million or more, it's whether you agree to either promise not to tag him again in 2010 or sweeten the 2009 compensation to more than $9.957 million in order to get him into camp a couple weeks earlier.

I think I'd agree with barrett on this. Wait it out. Dunta is a vet, maybe he's rusty, but he knows the drill. And the initial slate of regular season games isn't going to be against teams known for prolific passing offenses.

vs. Jets
@ Titans
vs. Jaguars
vs. Raiders

You have to get all the way to Week 5, with reasonably you have both a healthy Reeves and a less rusty Dunta, when you play the Cardinals (with Fitzgerald, Boldin, et al.).

[WMH]

I am on the wait side. Once the season starts, he will be back, I can't imagine he would give up that kind of game check. I am sure he is stayong in "shape", and will get back to form quickly. No need to sweeten the pot. IMO.

[dadmg]

Originally Posted by Keith

I think it's best to set aside the emotional aspect for a bit, this is business.

Couldn't agree more. I have trouble reading through Dunta threads because they seem more emotional than rational to me. But I guess it all depends on your perspective.

The question isn't about whether Dunta is worth $23 million or more, it's whether you agree to either promise not to tag him again in 2010 or sweeten the 2009 compensation to more than $9.957 million in order to get him into camp a couple weeks earlier.

I think I'd agree with barrett on this. Wait it out. Dunta is a vet, maybe he's rusty, but he knows the drill.

I agree that having Dunta in camp isn't a huge concern to me because he is a veteran and it's not as hard for a corner to adjust to a new DC as any other position on the D. But, at the same time, Reeves' injury has just given Dunta significantly more leverage imo. Before this, I would've guess that Dunta would be signed before the regular season to a deal that didn't include a do-not-tag, although I wouldn't have been sure enough to lay money on it; with the Reeves injury, I think Dunta's much more likely to get that which I don't want him to get, the do-not-tag provision. I certainly hope they're able to find a way to sweeten the deal without including this provision.

[Big Texas]

I agree, this Reeves injury has really thrown a curve ball. It is pretty apparent the need for Dunta now. Despite what we may or may not think that Dunta is worth, reality is its all about supply and demand. Right now we are looking at starting a 6th round rookie CB for the season. At this point I would venture to say that he, or someone of his caliber, is in high demand right now. Sad to say the Reeves injury benefits Dunta right now. Now maybe stronger play by Mcain or Quin could possibly dilute a little of Dunta's momentum.
Me, personally, pay the man and get it over with.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Me, personally, pay the man and get it over with.

Nothing to do on that front. The ball is in his court. All he needs/can do is sign or not sign the franchise sheet. They have passed the date for doing a long term deal and have to wait until after the season to get back to that part of it.

[Big Texas]

I forgot about that. Well it really is simply up to him to work his behind off and prove he is worth the major deal.

Maybe he just doesn't wanna attend training camp in the heat. LOL.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by NBT

It is pretty plain to me. Dunta has worn out his welcome here.

Based on what? How did he wear out his welcome? Because you said so? He has not signed his contract, so he is not violating any rule and is not being fined. It is his right not to be in camp. I wish he was in camp, but I see his point, He could get hurt and be done for his career. It was also his right not to sign the long term offer the Texans made, and it was the Texans right not to cave into his every wish.

While, I would love that he be in camp with his teammates, when he gets back I (and the team) will welcome him back with open arms.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by Mike

Based on what? How did he wear out his welcome? Because you said so? He has not signed his contract, so he is not violating any rule and is not being fined. It is his right not to be in camp. I wish he was in camp, but I see his point, He could get hurt and be done for his career. It was also his right not to sign the long term offer the Texans made, and it was the Texans right not to cave into his every wish.

While, I would love that he be in camp with his teammates, when he gets back I (and the team) will welcome him back with open arms.

No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.

[dadmg]

Originally Posted by NBT

No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.

I think Mike's point was more than fair. The franchise tag is a useful tool, but any GM that uses it has to be wary of a holdout. I don't think either side (management or Dunta) is being unreasonable, but the vehement reaction from fans surprises me. Dunta has certainly not worn out his welcome with me and likely not with his teammates or management. When I see bluster about how we should not try to bring him back or that he's worn out his welcome, the same thing Mike said goes through my mind.

[popanot]

I like Dunta and hope we can work out a long-term deal next year, but the man is absolutely delusional if he thinks the Texans will waive the tag option for next year. The guy apparently is getting horrible advice from his agent.

[cloudwasher]

I know he's pissed about not getting a contract or being able to test the free agency market, but here's what it comes down to: Either out of greed or respect, he wants a big contract. If it were a matter of just getting out of Houston, he'd probably have demanded a trade by now. He is only shooting himself in the foot by not being out there for training camp. There's a new defensive coordinator and new secondary coach and assuming he sits all of training camp, he's going to come back week 1 and not be on the same page as everyone else. Its then going to take him several games, if not half the season, to get himself back up where he could've been starting the season at. He's then going to bring up questions about whether he has fully recovered and whether he is truly consistent (never really got back up to his full potential last year either) and end up lowering his market value.... and all thats assuming he doesnt get injured in the first half of the season before he gets back up to full speed and REALLY screw his value.

The bottom line is the guy is getting some really bad advice. I know he's worried about getting injured in training camp, but you're a lot less likely to get injured by teammates than opposing players that don't give a damn about preserving you for the season and are coming straight at you. That likelihood is amplified if you're not going full speed because you've sat out training camp and aren't as prepared.

That's my two cents.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by dadmg

I think Mike's point was more than fair. The franchise tag is a useful tool, but any GM that uses it has to be wary of a holdout. I don't think either side (management or Dunta) is being unreasonable, but the vehement reaction from fans surprises me. Dunta has certainly not worn out his welcome with me and likely not with his teammates or management. When I see bluster about how we should not try to bring him back or that he's worn out his welcome, the same thing Mike said goes through my mind.

Everbody is entitled to their own opinion, and we all know that's all it is. What I didn't like was Mike getting personal, so I replied in the same vein.

What exactly is Dunta's problem? He was offered a contract which would pay him in the top 2 to 3% of the league, and a $23M guarantee. Then when that wasn't acceptable the Texans put the F-tag on him for $9.7M big ones. Nothing wrong there. NO, what Dunta doesn't like is the F-tag thing. Nothing personal in that, the Texans just protecting their investment until Dunta figures out what he really does want. So he flies off the handle at that. He can't have it both ways. He is hurting himself and the team because he doesn't want to be F-tagged next year too. Now he gets unreasonable. And that is what bothers me.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by NBT

No, smart aleck, not because I say so, because a lot of us are tired of his one-sidedness. Sure it's a business, but at some point you have to believe you have made your point and get down to the business of winning this year.

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

[itssharif]

Guys I have posted information that I should not have posted. It was irresponsible of me. My request to those who have copied and pasted my quote is to please remove it if you don't mind. I should have respected the privacy of the parties involved in their business matter and it was irrespobsible of me not to do so.

[kravix]

Originally Posted by Mike

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

That was uncalled for. Just because we as fans, who are entitled to our own opinion just as you are, do not agree with the lack of a resolution to negotiations between Dunta and the Texans does not in any way qualify anyone as a bigot.

That said, it is not just the fans that are pondering this. I cant find the quote, but it is a recent article on the main site, Carucci goes on record as perplexed to the reasons DRob would turn down top monies. Glenn Earl said as much on 610 the other day, which I am sure in on their podcasts.

Dunta is not a probowl player, pre injury he was maybe a top 10 CB, but at this point no one knows if he could even return to that. To turn down the offer, which has been reported, is not even close to condusive to the calibre of player he is. The more I think about it, the more i wish the team hadnt tagged him. Although there are some really really dumb franchises out there, I cant think of a single one that would have offered a non probowl player who had just suffered a potentialy career ending injury they reported sum the Texans did.

If he comes back and becomes a probowler, sweet. If he comes back and plays the way he has every year, not worth 10M IMO. Its pure speculation at this point either way.

The sad fact is, the Texans have been so defunt in talent over the years that even one really good player is a god. If it were C/C then he would have gotten paid, but its not. Its K/S who are more interested in building a team than a "support a medicore player foundation".

[cadams]

Originally Posted by Mike

I am sure you and your merry band of haters have an opinion that the team or Dunta can give a rats behind about. Get over yourself. If you are tired of him, then go cheer for someone else or another team, just don't get hurt jumping off or crawling back on the bandwagon in a hypocritical fit.

The team gives two $hits about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else, and I am glad for that (see the drafting of Mario.)

Have fun at your "I hate Dunta" meeting tonight while dressed in your Confederate Costumes.

No need for this.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by cadams

No need for this.

The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Mike

The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.

Actually it seems like a great discussion for a message board that is based on sharing opinions. If you are so bothered by someone else's opinion that you turn to insults, try staying out of the thread.

And for what it's worth, I agreed with you until that last post. I just happened to think NBT can be upset about Dunta if he feels like it.

I also think there are probably players on the Texans who are feeling less than positive towards Dunta right now, and if he does not report in time to be ready for week 1 (at least 2 weeks out), I bet most of the team has a problem with him.