Trade Down With Philly?

[Roy P]

Well that is a possibility, I was just looking to see which team has "extra" picks that they may feel as if they are playing with house money. I have seen the idea floated that we could trade up using our "extra" 4th round pick that we got for Sage. If we are willing to perhaps trade down to #28 with Philly, we should also consider New England, Miami, and New York Giants. It's hard to say which scenario is more likely unless you have spoken with the GMs of those teams.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The Eagels have two #1s (21 and 28) plus a second (53) and are looking to move up. Doing the math by trade chart, Houston's (15) is worth 1050 points. The 28th and 53rd = 1030. Perhaps we can get a 6th to make the numbers completely balance but within 20 points is close enough.

Saw a purported revised draft pick value chart reported/supported on PFT from a year ago, brought up again recently on the site.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...t-trade-chart/

As we know, the cost to move up is probably too high, especially in the top ten or so of the first round. But if this new chart were the one used to evaluate a move down with the Eagles, the compensation changes some.

15 = 1140 points

28 = 770 points
53 = 370 points

...which conveniently equals EXACTLY 1140 points, eliminating the need for any additional trade compensation. So, should this be the deal, something to keep in mind before judging the GMs.

[Blitzwood]

Using this trade scenario, I have the Texans trading their 15th for Phili's 28, 53, and 141(5th rounder) to sweeten the pot.

28. Percy Harvin RB/WR- since having a good F.A. signings, Texans go for best value here and take the extremely versatile Harvin; teams are going to be faced with a tough dilemma when they play the Texans because if they choose to double A.J.,then K.Walters, O.Daniels, and Percy Harvin (who can line up anywhere) are going to have single coverage. He also will spell S. Slaton at RB and slot.

46. Sean Smith CB- terrific cover and ball skills, very agile for a 6-3 DB, could start in spot duty if D. Robinson can't stay healthy or start at FS.

53. Rashad Jennings RB- big powerback, strong and durable, perfect for goalline and short yardage situations.

77. Chip Vaughn SS- does a good job against the run, high motor, very productive

112. Jason Williams OLB- very fast with above average cover skills, reliable tackler

122. Chris Baker DT- 6-2, 325 lbs, 4.94 forty, 1.65 10 yard, 35" vert., enough said!

141. S. Vollmer OT- RT backup

152. Lee Robinson OLB- depth for an injury plagued LB corp.

188. Phillip Hunt DE- LDE depth since we have none

223. Ray Feinga OG- Solid in pass protection and run blocking, quick feet

UFA-Herb Donaldson RB

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

122. Chris Baker DT- 6-2, 325 lbs, 4.94 forty, 1.65 10 yard, 35" vert., enough said!

Enough said? How about this?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1661883

Baker struggled with off-field incidents at Penn State. He was suspended from the team at the end of the 2007 season and finally dismissed from the Nittany Lions in July 2008 after pleading guilty to two counts of misdemeanor assault and criminal trespass following two fights in 2007. He received two years of probation. Baker showed versatility playing at defensive end in a 3-4 after starting the year at nose tackle for Hampton. He earned first-team All-MEAC honors with 62 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks. Baker and his family decided it was time to leave the Pirates after his redshirt junior season, but character concerns follow him into the NFL.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Enough said? How about this?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1661883

Baker struggled with off-field incidents at Penn State. He was suspended from the team at the end of the 2007 season and finally dismissed from the Nittany Lions in July 2008 after pleading guilty to two counts of misdemeanor assault and criminal trespass following two fights in 2007. He received two years of probation. Baker showed versatility playing at defensive end in a 3-4 after starting the year at nose tackle for Hampton. He earned first-team All-MEAC honors with 62 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks. Baker and his family decided it was time to leave the Pirates after his redshirt junior season, but character concerns follow him into the NFL.

Roy,


maybe I should have chosen my words better, but if bringing up the campus fight is your biggest complaint, then go ahead and complain......
I never said he was a model citizen. At least he's got some fire in his belly, which is more than I can say about Okam or T.J...

And speaking of Okam, the coaching staff knew about his lack of dedication and heart at Texas before they drafted him, but they felt the risk/reward was worth it.

I just wonder if they'll take a risk on a guy with the opposite problem...

Baker has outstanding athleticism for a guy his size to go along with a nasty demeanor, which is probably what got him in trouble in the first place, who knows, maybe somebody else started it,... but the Texans have rolled the dice on players with potential in the later rounds before, maybe they'd want to project him next to Okam and lite a fire under him and finally get him motivated, I'm fine with that...
I'd rather have a guy with too much fire, than a player with a real lack of motivation and heart.

Also from cbssports.com(pay attention to the last sentence):

Adequate build in the upper and lower body. … Good quickness off the snap. … Gets his hands into his man's jersey quickly, attacks a shoulder and constantly works to the quarterback. … Can also extend his arms inside the numbers to get leverage and push into the backfield. … Also able to stand up his man on run plays, use his upper-body strength to move him to either side and make a play on the ball. … Uses arm-over move and violent hands to shoot the gap inside. … Will split double-team blocks to pressure the passer. … At end, he held his ground against the run and used his strength, hands and quickness to get by offensive tackles one-on-one. … Shows fairly quick feet, can stay off cut blocks, chase down the line and hustle downfield to get to the ball. … Doesn't back down from anyone.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

if bringing up the campus fight is your biggest complaint, then go ahead and complain......
I never said he was a model citizen. At least he's got some fire in his belly, which is more than I can say about Okam or T.J...


… Doesn't back down from anyone.

I am complaining about a pattern of behavior.

Travis Johnson has some "fire in his belly". Remember when he didn't back down from Trent Green? I'd rather not bring in a bunch of thugs in order to bring some "attitude" to the defense.

This may be a high risk/reward guy, but I think there is better value with less risk. It takes a lot than just getting into a fight, to get kicked off the football team at Penn State. Just ask Maurice Evans.

[TexanJedi]

Our chances of trading down with Philly just went down in flames.

REPORT: BILLS TRADE PETERS TO EAGLES
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 17, 2009, 1:32 p.m. EDT
The Buffalo Bills have traded Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jason Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles, according to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.

In exchange for Peters, the Bills receive the Eagles’ 28th overall pick of the first round as well as a second-day draft pick in this year’s draft and a late-round draft pick in 2010.

Peters has been unhappy with his contract and hasn’t been attending the Bills’ offseason activities after staging a holdout last summer at training camp.

Presumably, Peters will be seeking a new deal from his new employers.

The Eagles needed an offensive tackle after starter Tra Thomas left in free agency. Jon Runyan is a free agent and has been battling injuries.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...ers-to-eagles/

I hope someone still wants a QB or something.

[HPF Bob]

But now the Bills have two #1s (11 and 28) as do the Broncos (12 and 18) and the Lions. I don't see Denver as much of trading partner simply because they already have picks stockpiled for this year and next thanks to the Cutler trade.

Then there's always a team or two that locks into one player and panics in fear he won't fall to them. The Jets, in particular, would be a likely partner for this although it means we wouldn't move far and wouldn't get much compensation to move down.

[American Idle]

I doubt the Jets would want to trade up with us as I don't see San Diego trying to grab anything the Jets need. Stranger things have happened, but if they were going to trade up it would be somewhere at the end of the top 10 to the 13th pick IMO.

I really would love another 2nd or 3rd pick by moving down, but as it gets closer I just dont see where its going to happen unless something shakes up between Jax and us.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by American Idle

I doubt the Jets would want to trade up with us as I don't see San Diego trying to grab anything the Jets need.

The Jets might have to outbid the Lions (if they select an OT #1) and/or the Bucs if they want a QB like Freeman.

[TexanJedi]

I was watching the ESPN Draft Special from yesterday and Sal Pal said the Eagles wanted Moreno even if they had to trade UP to get him. I thought that was interesting and they still have a 2nd and 3rd rounder to make it happen, whatever such a trade might require. There's still hope to trade down, if a higher rated player does not drop to 15 that is.