The cuts, final roster, p-squad

Arky · #1 08-26-2013, 05:24 PM

Please post info on the cuts here. Radio has been saying the Texans will start releasing info on the cut down to 75 any time, now...

After Thursdays game, squad needs to go to 53. P-squad will be signed a day or two later....

Nconroe · #2 08-26-2013, 08:17 PM

OT Nick Mondek, DE Earl Okine, Andrew Shapiro, FB Zach Boren, ILB Elliot Coffey,RB Ray Graham, CB Travis Howard,

guard Bryan Collins, ILB Ja'Gared Davis,QB Stephen McGee, TE Adam Schiltz

Arky · #3 08-26-2013, 10:45 PM

Graham is the only "eyebrow-lifter" to me..... Perhaps he still has a shot at the practice squad..

Shapiro - just no room..... He got a good audition and might get picked up, however....

Keith · #4 08-27-2013, 12:52 AM

Thought we'd see Graham get some carries on Thursday with Johnson and Wood. Oh well. Texans are going to want to bury at least one if not two of these three rushers on the PS.

To me, Karim is 'just a guy'; he's aight but he's not a typical COP back like many RB3s, and he's not hiding some untapped potential I don't think. Johnson though seems multi-dimensional, something valuable in a third back. That said, Wood seems like the best of the four imo. I worry about the team being able to stash him on the PS if he's cut.

Ok, hypothetical tangent as we await further news on cuts... if you were GM Rick Smith, what would you take from another team for Case Keenum? Say an offer from a team like the Bills who have issues at the position. I can't imagine too many teams giving up a 5th rounder for a third-string, but Keenum has had some moments in preseason, and preseason showings at the position have been enough sometimes. Plus, Keenum is getting showcased on Thursday as the starter...

Arky · #5 08-27-2013, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith

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Ok, hypothetical tangent as we await further news on cuts... if you were GM Rick Smith, what would you take from another team for Case Keenum? Say an offer from a team like the Bills who have issues at the position. I can't imagine too many teams giving up a 5th rounder for a third-string, but Keenum has had some moments in preseason, and preseason showings at the position have been enough sometimes. Plus, Keenum is getting showcased on Thursday as the starter...

Hypothetically, I'd rather get a 3rd rounder (2nd maybe?) for TJ and keep Keenum. TJ has the better NFL resume and has looked (to my surprise) pretty good so far in preseason. If Lemon doesn't drop that pass in the endzone, TJ goes 7 for 8 in completed passes.

Case Keenum, I believe, has more upside/brighter future..... He's shown me things neither of his two ugly sisters can do.... Example was the Minnesota game when he threaded the ball in to Jean at about the 5-yard line. On the next couple of plays, he threads the ball into Maehl twice only to be dropped both times. That's 3 pinpoint passes in a handful of plays. Can Schaub or TJ do that? Maybe, maybe on a good day. But he's (Keenum) just a rookie (basically) and the other two are supposed to be the "more qualified".....

Will be interesting to see how it goes on Thursday night..... Keenum in the first half, Yates in the 2nd half.....

nunusguy · #6 08-27-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky

Hypothetically, I'd rather get a 3rd rounder (2nd maybe?) for TJ and keep Keenum. TJ has the better NFL resume and has looked (to my surprise) pretty good so far in preseason. If Lemon doesn't drop that pass in the endzone, TJ goes 7 for 8 in completed passes.

Case Keenum, I believe, has more upside/brighter future..... He's shown me things neither of his two ugly sisters can do.... Example was the Minnesota game when he threaded the ball in to Jean at about the 5-yard line. On the next couple of plays, he threads the ball into Maehl twice only to be dropped both times. That's 3 pinpoint passes in a handful of plays. Can Schaub or TJ do that? Maybe, maybe on a good day. But he's (Keenum) just a rookie (basically) and the other two are supposed to be the "more qualified".....

Will be interesting to see how it goes on Thursday night..... Keenum in the first half, Yates in the 2nd half.....

I think TJ is the better QB value by a wide margin. That real game experience including 2 playoff games is invaluable IMO. Besides TJ just has a stronger, more accurate arm than Keenum. Therefor, what would Kubiak do if he were presented with a hypothetical deal from a team like maybe the Bills like the deal he & Smith made for Schaub with ATL ? Obviously if Kubiak really likes Keenum and genuinely feels that he's very close to TJ as a reliable backup QB for the Texans, he's got to jump all over the deal. Risky though, could really blow up in his face.

Keith · #7 08-27-2013, 09:58 AM

Well, the time to get a fair offer on Yates passed a couple months ago... even a team with QB troubles like the Bills or the Jets feel they have a franchise QB now with Manuel and Geno Smith. So teams now are looking to shore up for 2013. ...but who knows, maybe there's a team who isn't feeling very confident with their 'chosen one'.

Maybe the Texans could get a 2nd for Yates, but I am guessing that wouldn't happen until next Feb/March.

And let's face it... we aren't that far removed from asking questions about Schaub's health. From the back stretch of last season and what I saw against the Saints, I wonder if he is aging quickly. He looks slower than normal, not just with footspeed but reaction times too. I am optimistic about Keenum, but if the team is trying to win a Super Bowl this year, I'd feel more comfortable with Yates stepping in than Keenum.

Nconroe · #8 08-27-2013, 11:30 AM

Thought this article had some interesting numbers on how Texans have built their 53 man roster over past 6 years.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...oster-numbers/

For instance , we have had 3 QB on opening day roster past four years.

popanot · #9 08-27-2013, 12:13 PM

Texans would be lucky to get a 5th-7th rounder for either of those guys. Yates had some experience, but he hasn't done anything that makes you think he's anything more than a stop-gap backup. Keenum hasn't done anything. IMO, if a trade is to be had, it'd be for Yates and would likely be a player-for-player swap. Maybe trade Yates and a 4th for Jarius Byrd. It'll never happen, but it's nice to dream and we seem really weak at S. Especially next year when they'll likely to cut Reed and Manning.

Nconroe · #10 08-27-2013, 01:59 PM

Getting down to 75,

Alec Lemon WR was directly placed on the injured reserve list.

David Hunter DT and Mike Smith WR , have been waived / injured.

Waived/injured means that those players can be claimed by other teams. If they remain unclaimed they revert to Houston's injured reserve list.

22 more cuts, transactions before Saturday for 53 man roster to start regular season.

nunusguy · #11 08-27-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Texans would be lucky to get a 5th-7th rounder for either of those guys. Yates had some experience, but he hasn't done anything that makes you think he's anything more than a stop-gap backup. Keenum hasn't done anything. IMO, if a trade is to be had, it'd be for Yates and would likely be a player-for-player swap. Maybe trade Yates and a 4th for Jarius Byrd. It'll never happen, but it's nice to dream and we seem really weak at S. Especially next year when they'll likely to cut Reed and Manning.

What did the Falcons get from us for Schaub, 2 seconds ? Now I don't think for a minute that TJ would bring that, probably not a single 2nd round pick, but I'd think he'd be worth a third-rounder to the right team. Afterall how much more experience did Schaub have back then than Yates has now ? He certainly had no PO experience.
But I do agree with your thought that a player-for-player proposition maybe being more appealing to the Texans if it's somebody they like at a real need
position.

barrett · #12 08-27-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

What did the Falcons get from us for Schaub, 2 seconds ? Now I don't think for a minute that TJ would bring that, probably not a single 2nd round pick, but I'd think he'd be worth a third-rounder to the right team. Afterall how much more experience did Schaub have back then than Yates has now ? He certainly had no PO experience.
But I do agree with your thought that a player-for-player proposition maybe being more appealing to the Texans if it's somebody they like at a real need
position.

Keith already hit on it. Teams trade for QBs in the offseason. Schaub was worth that to us when we chose him as our Plan A. Teams don't panic trade picks for QBs that don't know their system on the eve of the regular season. We MAY have gotten a 3rd for Yates in the offseason, but not right now.

Not to mention, why would we trade a guy who may help us a little this year for a pick that definitely won't help us this year, when we could use Yates all season and trade him for the same pick then?

HPF Bob · #13 08-27-2013, 07:49 PM

It should also be noted that Schaub was a third-round pick of the Falcons while Yates was a 5th and Keenum was a UDFA. Therefore, one would have to believe that Schaub had more potential when he was traded to Houston than either of these two guys could produce (not that this is always a key factor).

nunusguy · #14 08-27-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

Teams don't panic trade picks for QBs that don't know their system on the eve of the regular season. We MAY have gotten a 3rd for Yates in the offseason, but not right now.

A team facing the prospect of starting an undrafted FA rookie with no NFL experience at QB could be forgiven for being a bit paniky, especially if they were looking for a WCO guy like TJ. Granted it's unlikely, but not
totally improbable.

barrett · #15 08-27-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

A team facing the prospect of starting an undrafted FA rookie with no NFL experience at QB could be forgiven for being a bit paniky, especially if they were looking for a WCO guy like TJ. Granted it's unlikely, but not
totally improbable.

And what team is that? Buffalo? The same team that has a brand new 1st round qb that the gm and coach just bet their jobs on?

popanot · #16 08-28-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

It should also be noted that Schaub was a third-round pick of the Falcons while Yates was a 5th and Keenum was a UDFA. Therefore, one would have to believe that Schaub had more potential when he was traded to Houston than either of these two guys could produce (not that this is always a key factor).

Exactly. If I were a GM I'd trade a #2 or some combination of picks for Kirk Cousins based on his high-side potential (much like Schaub when he was young), but there's no way in God's creation I'd give up anything of high value for Yates, let alone Keenum. You trade for a QB based on starter potential, not backup potential. And so far, these two guys appear to be nothing more than a backup or short term stop-gap starter.

Arky · #17 08-28-2013, 12:13 PM

Keith initially posed a hypothetical question/speculation. In the world of hypothetical, anything goes - Yates and Keenum have starter potential ....

In reality, the Texans will probably keep all three QB's..

popanot · #18 08-29-2013, 05:45 AM

Well then, hypothetically, how about we trade Schaub for Luck?

WMH · #19 08-30-2013, 01:51 PM

Chris Jones waived per Ganguli - Likely PS material.

Per Pat Starr of STOT:
Bouye made the team
Jawanza Starling - cut
Dennis Johnson - cut

Update:
According to P. Starr:
C. Wood, Tuggle, and W. Jefferson have made the squad.

nunusguy · #20 08-30-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH

Chris Jones waived per Ganguli - Likely PS material.

Per Pat Starr of STOT:
Bouye made the team
Jawanza Starling - cut
Dennis Johnson - cut

Update:
According to P. Starr:
C. Wood, Tuggle, and W. Jefferson have made the squad.

The expectation has been that Jefferson makes the team. Now dunno about Tuggle, but I'm also hearing he's got a real shot at it but I'm unsure who makes room for him on the roster ?
The rookie ND back Wood making the team as the third RB instead of the veteran Karim, who can play special teams as a punt returner and/or K/O returner, would be a major surprise, but we'll see ?