Front Office/HC/OC/DC who do you want?

[painekiller]

For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - Mike Tice Asst HC Jags
Asst HC offense - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL
OC - Kyle Shanahan Our current passing game with more of a power run added by Tice/Heck


DC - Bob Sutten Currently with the Jets as Asst HC LBs. He has 4-3 and 3-4 background


It just a thought. Give your reasons for your choices.

[WMH]

Come on guy....its week 4 of 17.

I for one am not ready to throw in the towel on these guys yet. It has been said over and over, but we are a couple of bonehead plays from easily being 2-1 (Jets was the exception, and TN should have been waaay less dramatic).

[barrett]

Tice was awful in Minnesota and is now with a crumbling Jags organization. I'm curious what you see in him.

[Mike]

Mike Tice? Seriously? Gosh no. He is a meathead.

Kyle is as good as gone. If Mike gets a gig (which he will) then he will go work for his dad.

Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren will be vying for the two open big jobs (Dallas and Washington).

I'll take Gary Kubiak and the hope that this team turns it around.

[popanot]

I'm OK with Kubiak if he'd just hire a top-notch DC and build with that foundation. If John Fox, Marvin Lewis or Dick Jauron get fired, I'd look at one of those guys as DC. Of course, this would have to be a forced move by McNair because, whether true or not, it doesn't appear that Kubiak wants someone in that role that is a threat to his security. I hope that's not the case because it would be pretty foolish considering you don't have much security if your team sucks. I just can't think of any other reason why he keeps hiring inexperienced DCs when it's been a glaring weakness since he's been here. And other than Mike Sherman, he's done the same thing with OCs...

[Mike]

I am not sure that Gary is threatened by other coaches. He hired Sherm, Rhodes, Gibbs sr. With that being said, if the defense sucks all year, then he may be "nudged" to make a change in the DC. If they improve, then I think Frank gets a reprive.

I do agree that if things are not improved on the D, then I would not mind seeing any of the individuals you mention, or Wade Phillips.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

If things continue on the current path you still want Kubiak? Why? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Comparing Kubiak to Fisher is inaccurate due to the Oilers road show years with no home park, he held the Oilers together when they played in Memphis in front of nobody. Kubiak has a full stands of rabid fans, no comparison.

As for Tice, he is a teacher, I like teachers, he is from the Sid Gillman coaching tree, as is Kubiak. He would know our playbooks language. Both pluses in my book.


I have another name for HC that might garner some glances Jim Harbaugh, he is doing a solid job at Stanford, he was the QB coach of the Raiders when they went to the Super Bowl and they where running the WCO, they where a scoring machine.

If the elder Shanahan gets hired and wants the younger let him go.

I did not mention it earlier, but you must keep Matthews in some position.

IMO we are not going to hire Shanahan, I don't want him anyway. Cowher is not coming to Houston, Billick the offensive genius has had the worse offenses in the league. His DCs and Ray Lewis made him look successful.

I don't see any huge names coming to coach in Houston until we get better.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Mike

I am not sure that Gary is threatened by other coaches. He hired Sherm, Rhodes, Gibbs sr..

The problem with that list is Sherm was known to be short-term and pretty much a lock for the A&M position. Gibbs was nothing more than a OL coach when he was brought in. Rhodes, as I recall, came in with some medical issues and stated he did not want the stress and hours involved with being DC and only wanted to be a position coach. So, I don't think any of those guys would be considered threats to Kubiak's position as HC when they were brought in. If they can't turn it around in a week or two, I'd be begging Rhodes to take over the DC role for the rest of the year. As for Wade, I'm good with him as DC too.

[sinnister]

Originally Posted by painekiller

For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - Mike Tice Asst HC Jags
Asst HC offense - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL
OC - Kyle Shanahan Our current passing game with more of a power run added by Tice/Heck

Tice was terrible in Minnesota. If Kubiak is going, then he should be replaced by someone like a Bill Cowher. I doubt he would take the job though.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by painekiller

If things continue on the current path you still want Kubiak? Why? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Comparing Kubiak to Fisher is inaccurate due to the Oilers road show years with no home park, he held the Oilers together when they played in Memphis in front of nobody. Kubiak has a full stands of rabid fans, no comparison.

As for Tice, he is a teacher, I like teachers, he is from the Sid Gillman coaching tree, as is Kubiak. He would know our playbooks language. Both pluses in my book.

Mike Tice:

2001 MIN 0 - 1
2002 MIN 6 - 10
2003 MIN 9 - 7
2004 MIN 8 - 8
2005 MIN 9 - 7

Operating under "you are what your record says you are", that's kind of what we have now, isn't it?

Kubes has transformed the offense into one of the league's best. While the defense has been stagnant during his tenure, I've seen the effort being made to improve it and understand why it was assembled the way it was. When some of the draft picks and FA's don't work out, then you get the limboland like we have now. Still, despite what the stats say, this year's defense has some positive things going on that I haven't seen in years past....

Fisher did an admirable job of holding the Oilers-->Tennessee Oilers-->Titans together during his early years. Conversely, had he had a stadium full of rabid fans in a stable organization, he might not have been granted such a long leash and ended up in the scrap heap of mediocre coaches. We'll just never know.

As far as asst. coaches go, the Texans have on paper some of the league's best - Gibbs, Rhodes, Kollar... Some impressive resumes, there.... The thing about Kubes is that he's not threatened by any of these guys - he doesn't let his ego get in the way of the ultimate goal of making the team better... For every "1st timer", there's a veteran coach nearby..

[HPF Bob]

I don't understand even fantasizing about coaching changes in September. That's like contemplating firing baseball managers in April.

[TexanJedi]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I don't understand even fantasizing about coaching changes in September. That's like contemplating firing baseball managers in April.

So Kubes should get an extension now and fired in January?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - Mike Tice Asst HC Jags
Asst HC offense - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL
OC - Kyle Shanahan Our current passing game with more of a power run added by Tice/Heck


DC - Bob Sutten Currently with the Jets as Asst HC LBs. He has 4-3 and 3-4 background


It just a thought. Give your reasons for your choices.

I always love these type of "what if" scenarios. So, let me try to get some names down on paper.

GM - Howie Roseman Currently VP player personnel
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...seman_h_1.html

HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...nhinweg_1.html

OC - John Matsko Currently Ravens OL coach
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...hn_Matsko.aspx

DC - Dennis Thurman Currently Jets Defensive Backs coach
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coac...dennis-thurman

This combo would create an attacking WCO that would utilize Slaton like Westbrook and create confusion and turnovers on defense. What's not to like?

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by TexanJedi

So Kubes should get an extension now and fired in January?

Well, if the quarterbacks are on a pitch count, most definitely.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I always love these type of "what if" scenarios. So, let me try to get some names down on paper.

OC - John Matsko Currently Ravens OL coach
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...hn_Matsko.aspx

After mulling it over, I've changed my mind about the OC. I want to keep the WCO and the terminology we already have. So, in order to keep Marty and his OC from butting heads, I'm going to go with another WCO guy. He's already been an OC in the league too.

OC - Tom Clements Currently Packers QB coach
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/clements_tom/

Before coming to Green Bay, Clements spent two seasons (2004-05) as offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. In 2004, the Bills' offense increased its points output by 152 and became only the ninth team in NFL history to score more than 30 points in six straight games. In addition, Buffalo reduced its number of sacks allowed from 51 to 38, fewest by a Bills team since 1999.

On an individual level, Clements' offense was highlighted by RB Willis McGahee, who became the fifth running back in Bills history to register back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, covering each year of Clements' tenure. In addition, quarterback Kelly Holcomb set a club record in 2005 with a 67.39 completion percentage, surpassing Jim Kelly's 1991 mark, 64.14 percent.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I always love these type of "what if" scenarios. So, let me try to get some names down on paper.

GM - Howie Roseman Currently VP player personnel
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...seman_h_1.html

HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...nhinweg_1.html

OC - John Matsko Currently Ravens OL coach
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...hn_Matsko.aspx

DC - Dennis Thurman Currently Jets Defensive Backs coach
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coac...dennis-thurman

This combo would create an attacking WCO that would utilize Slaton like Westbrook and create confusion and turnovers on defense. What's not to like?

I had forgotten about Morninghinweg, nice one.

[painekiller]

I'm back to we need new leadership. Kubiak and his scheme is .500 ball.

I'm done with him, and you cannot sell me a Kubiak coached team next season.

[Roy P]

As long as we can get some Philly folks, I'd be happy. Perhaps we would get some bigger O-Linemen and pass the ball and be happy. Maybe the D would actually create some pressure on the QB.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Roy P

As long as we can get some Philly folks, I'd be happy. Perhaps we would get some bigger O-Linemen and pass the ball and be happy. Maybe the D would actually create some pressure on the QB.

I'm not real high on Philly. They have been above average for a decade and have never won anything. They have a one dimensional offense that doesn't run the ball and their defense got shredded by the only decent offense it has faced this year.

[TheMatrix31]

Who do you people suggest?