What would you give for Peppers?

cland · #1 01-17-2009, 10:03 AM

Please excuse the speculative nature of this thread...but it's a long off-season.

ESPN has reported that Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina. Here's the question, what would you trade to bring him onto the roster? Carolina still has the option to franchise him, but a one-year 17 million dollar contract for someone who has expressed that they don't want to continue playing for your team, definitely opens up the negotiation door.

So now the question is...what would you give up for him? Keep in mind that he'll still get one of the largest contracts ever given to a defensive player.

1st round pick? 1st and 3rd? Dunta Robinson?

bckey · #2 01-17-2009, 10:13 AM

Let me make it even more interesting by linking you to the diehardchris article on the same subject. Here is an excerpt:

“Of course, the Panthers would have the option to accept or decline any trade offer Carey brings to the table, and it’s unlikely if this were to come to fruition that he’d go anywhere in the NFC South. Peppers seems to like the Houston area, so the Texans are certainly an option. Imagine Peppers playing opposite former North Carolina State star Mario Williams?”

http://www.houstondiehards.com/?p=2959

TexanJedi · #3 01-17-2009, 10:58 AM

I would give up the 15th pick but balk at anything much more. I wonder if the Texans would do that since Bush wants to blitz more. Having a strong pass rush with the front four -Mario, Peppers, Robinson, Okoye - we would be better served playing a Tennessee style defense rather than the coming presumed Arizona style. Since Denver is supposedly switching to a 3-4 defense, I might rather trade a 3rd or 4th for Elvis Dumervil were he available.

TexanJedi · #4 01-17-2009, 11:33 AM

According to Adam Shefter, Carolina has somewhere around $10 million in cap space but the franchise number for a defensive end is $17 million. Can they afford to franchise him with making major cuts, and John Fox already said Delhomme would be back as their starting QB.

sinnister · #5 01-17-2009, 02:17 PM

From what I read, Peppers wants to play in a 3-4. He thinks he can excel in that defense.

mussop · #6 01-18-2009, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sinnister

From what I read, Peppers wants to play in a 3-4. He thinks he can excel in that defense.

I think you have that backwards.

HPF Bob · #7 01-17-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanJedi

John Fox already said Delhomme would be back as their starting QB.

That's too bad. I would have offered them Matt Schaub straight up for Peppers.

Mike · #8 01-17-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanJedi

I would give up the 15th pick but balk at anything much more. I wonder if the Texans would do that since Bush wants to blitz more. Having a strong pass rush with the front four -Mario, Peppers, Robinson, Okoye - we would be better served playing a Tennessee style defense rather than the coming presumed Arizona style. Since Denver is supposedly switching to a 3-4 defense, I might rather trade a 3rd or 4th for Elvis Dumervil were he available.

Why would you trade for a guy who is about to be a free agent? (Peppers)Why would you give the 15th pick for Peppers who is going to command a ton of money, then you have to re-sign Mario to even more money when his deal is up. You cannot tie up two mega ends to huge contracts.

Use the 15th pick on your own DE and slot him with that money.

nero THE zero · #9 01-17-2009, 05:33 PM

I wouldn't give up any picks for him. If he were to hit free agency I would offer him a contract, but that would be contingent on our ability to afford it after re-signing Dunta. In other words, I probably wouldn't bother with him.

cland · #10 01-17-2009, 05:57 PM

Hmm I'm surprised on some of the glass-half-empties out there. I realize that the odds of this signing occurring are low...but the benefit of adding Peppers to this roster is undeniably huge.

Need at the position? Huge check mark.
Injury Concern? Nope.
Proven pro-bowler? Check, 4 times.
Young enough? Slightly after prime, but a 5 year contract gets us. 29, 30, 31, 32, 33.
Cap space? Yep...even after some re-signings.

Consider the impact that Peppers can have on how our DL is able to line up and react to opposing offenses. Mario and Peppers can swap sides of the line at will throughout the game. Play a team with a weak side of the line and the DL can line up as: Peppers Mario Okoye Cochran/Bulman or vice versa. This line-up can be shifted to after the offensive play has been called.

In terms of DL investment, it's a little bit of a misnomer to say that we've already invested there. Results get paid for, the fact that we've had a few flops on the line doesn't mean we can just stop trying to fix it.

TexanJedi · #11 01-17-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Why would you trade for a guy who is about to be a free agent? (Peppers)Why would you give the 15th pick for Peppers who is going to command a ton of money, then you have to re-sign Mario to even more money when his deal is up. You cannot tie up two mega ends to huge contracts.

Use the 15th pick on your own DE and slot him with that money.

I was presuming that Carolina would franchise him in which case they would trade him. I was also presuming that the Texans would have considered and could absorb the cap ramifications of Peppers signing a new deal, it's possible they can't and in that case a trade would not happen. If you can guarantee me that there will be a DE in the draft that can produce in the neighborhood of Peppers (it's too much to expect any rookie to assume all-Pro status) then yes it would be a better allocation of recources.

Don't you just love the offseason?