2011?

[painekiller]

What are our needs?
FS - never been addressed
NT - also never addressed
OL- Time to start stock piling some talent.
WILL - Depth and future upgrade
CB - you never have enough CBs
QB- back up / future?
RB - You never have enough RBs

Walters has us taking

24 Houston Texans: Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

and

55 Houston Texans: Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
If Duane Brown doesn't improve his play this season, the Texans may search for some left tackle competition in the 2011 NFL Draft.

DraftSite.com has us taking

15 Houston Houston Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 5" 260
and
47 Houston Houston Ron Johnson WR USC

I am starting the watch list:
Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA
Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida
Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson
Casey Matthews, LB ,Oregon
Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina
Curtis Brown, CB, Texas
Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn State
Will Hill, FS, Florida
Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
Blake Gideon, FS, Texas
Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
Kris O'Dowd, C, USC
Chris Culliver, FS/KR, South Carolina
Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State

[painekiller]

Here is an early mock from DraftSite.com

15 Allen Bailey DT Miami 6' 4" 288
47 Kendric Burney CB UNC 5' 9" 180
79 Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M 6' 5" 243
111 Jonathan Freeny DE Rutgers 6' 3" 250
143 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami 6' 3" 215
175 Harvey Unga RB BYU 6' 0" 239 (is going to be in the Supplemental draft in July)
207 Jeff Wills OT Minnesota 6' 7" 355


Cherry picking cuz I just don't see most of these guys as the types Kubiak drafts.

15 Mike Pouncey OG Florida 6' 5" 320
47 Kristofer O'Dowd OC USC 6' 5" 300
79 Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M 6' 5" 243 (I'm a little biased here but I like this kid, and coming here would give him time to be groomed)
111 Butch Lewis OT USC 6' 5" 290
143 Jermale Hines S Ohio State 6' 2" 210
175 Thomas Weber K Arizona State 6' 1" 207
207 Ryan Donahue PT Iowa 6' 3" 180

I admit I do not know most of the guys yet, but you can see a pattern in my thinking, OL OL OL, then special teams. I think Brown is gone, and I think Rackers will be gone before this time next season.

[painekiller]

A new mock is up from Draftsite.com

22 Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
54 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 6' 0" 190
86 Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh 6' 4" 260
118 Markus White DE Florida State 6' 4" 260
150 Marcus Gilbert OT Florida 6' 5" 320
182 Kyle Adams TE Purdue 6' 4" 252
214 Aaron Corp QB USC 6' 3" 200

That is one of the worse mocks ever.

I currently think the team is going to need to draft OG/OC, S, OT, DE, MLB, WR, QB .

Outside the OG/OC and S all the guys are to upgrade the depth/rotational guys. This team is finally at a point where the 1st rounder should not be handed the spot to play.

I am assuming that the CB, RB and DT position are full for now with young guys that should mature.

Any thoughts from you guys?

[painekiller]

Draftsite.com has a new mock up:

20 Michael Floyd* WR Notre Dame 6' 3" 220
52 Chykie Brown CB Texas 6' 0" 190
84 Mason Foster ILB Washington 6' 2" 244
116 Ted Laurent DT Mississippi 6' 0" 305
148 Kevin Riley QB Cal 6' 2" 221
180 Devin Newsome S San Jose State 5' 10" 185
212 Chris Carter OLB Fresno State 6' 2" 230

A much better mock based on position then the last one. WR in the 1st is unlikely unless something unforeseen happens, trying not to jinx anyone here, but I am getting real close. And you never have enough CBs.

1st round guys I am watching:
Mike Pouncey OG Florida 6' 5" 320
Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 6' 3" 240
Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College 6' 7" 295
Demarcus Love OT Arkansas 6' 5" 305
Dont'a Hightower* ILB Alabama 6' 4" 250
2nd rounders to watch:
Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
Kristofer O'Dowd OC USC 6' 5" 300
Stefen Wisniewski OC Penn State 6' 3" 297
Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M 6' 5" 243

[cland]

Should a new CBA be agreed to--and I hate to say it out loud after all the resources this team has poured into the DL with middling results--but I think it will be time for Bob to pull out the purse for the highest rated FA DT available. 2011 should see a boon to the FA market after so many (~200) were signed as RFA's due to the rules for 2010.

If that's the case then I agree that the BAP from FS, C, G, DT (to groom) should be at the top of the Texans board.

[Roy P]

I put the date in my title simply to allow the flexibility to change my mind.
These are the guys I'll be watching. I don't know what Butch Davis is doing, but he's getting some very talented recruits to play football at a 'basketball' school. Yes, I'll be watching UNC whenever I can this season. Here's my list of players at positions I would be interested in drafting....

OLB Travis Lewis Oklahoma 6'2" 232
OLB Bruce Carter North Carolina 6'3" 230
OLB Dontay Moch Nevada 6'1" 240
OLB Chris Walker Tennessee 6'1" 240
OG Justin Boren Ohio St 6'3" 320
OG Ben Ijalana Villanova 6'4" 320
OG John Moffitt Wisconsin 6'4" 325
S DeAndre McDaniel Clemson 6'0" 212
S Deunta Williams North Carolina 6'1" 210
S Rahim Moore UCLA 6'1" 195
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi 6'2" 330
DT Jarvis Jenkins Clemson 6'3" 310
DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh 6'5" 270
DE Robert Quinn North Carolina 6'5" 270
DE Da'Quan Bowers Clemson 6'4" 285
DE Ryan Kerrigan Purdue 6'4" 265
CB Ras-I-Dowling Virginia 6'2" 200
CB Kendric Burney North Carolina 5'9" 190
CB Brandon Harris Miami 5'11" 195
OT Clint Boling Georgia 6'5" 310
OT Jason Pinkston Pittsburgh 6'4" 310
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas 6'5" 315

[painekiller]

Pre-Season Watch List

QB Jake Locker, 6-3, 225, Washington
QB Andrew Luck, 6-4, 235, Stanford
QB Ryan Mallett, 6-7, 250, Arkansas
QB Jerrod Johnson, 6-5, 245, Texas A&M
QB Case Keenum, 6-1, 210, Houston

RB Mark Ingram Alabama
RB John Clay, 6-2, 247, Wisconsin
RB Jacquizz Rodgers, 5-7, 195, Oregon State

WR Julio Jones, 6-4, 215, Alabama
WR A. J. Green, 6-3, 210, Georgia
WR Jon Baldwin, 6-5, 220, Pittsburgh
WR DeAndre Brown, 6-5, 230, Southern Mississippi (X)

OT Gabe Carimi, 6-6, 325, Wisconsin
OT Clint Boling, 6-5, 305, Georgia
OT Nate Solder, 6-8, 310, Colorado
OT Jason Pinkston, 6-4, 300, Pittsburgh
OT Derek Sherrod, 6-5, 305, Mississippi State
OT DeMarcus Love, 6-5, 315, Arkansas
OT Lee Ziemba, 6-7, 320, Auburn (XK)
OT Marcus Gilbert, 6-5, 325, Florida
OT Orlando Franklin, 6-6, 320, Miami
OT Chris Hairston, 6-6, 325, Clemson
OT *Josh Oglesby, 6-6, 330, Wisconsin (X)
OT Anthony Castonzo, 6-6, 295, Boston Colle
OT Nate Potter, OT, Boise State

OG Mike Pouncey, 6-4, 320, Florida (C)
OG Justin Boren, 6-3, 320, Ohio State
OG John Moffitt, 6-3, 325, Wisconsin
OG Rodney Hudson, 6-2, 290, Florida State
OG Alan Pelc, 6-5, 325, North Carolina
OG *James Wilson, 6-3, 320, Florida
OG Mike Berry, 6-3, 325, Auburn (XK)
OG Ben Lamaak, 6-4, 320, Iowa State
OG Dom Alford, 6-3, 335, Minnesota (OT)
OG Thomas Claiborne, 6-3, 325, Boston College
OG Steve Schilling, 6-4, 305, Michigan
OG David arkin, 6-5, 300, Missouri State

OC Kris O'Dowd, 6-4, 300, Southern California (X)
OC Stefen Wisniewski, 6-2, 305, Penn State (OG)
OC Alex Linnenkohl, 6-2, 305, Oregon State
OC Ben Lamaak, 6-3, 320, Iowa State
OC Zane Taylor, 6-2, 305, Utah
OC Colin Baxter, 6-3, 295, Arizona
OC Kevin Kowalski, 6-2, 300, Toledo
OC Dan Wenger, 6-3, 305, Notre Dame

DT Marvin Austin, 6-2, 305, North Carolina
DT *Jared Crick, 6-5, 285, Nebraska
DT *Marcus Fortson, 6-2 310, Miami
DT Stephen Paea, 6-1, 295, Oregon State
DT Jarvis Jenkins, 6-3, 305, Clemson
DT Adrian Taylor, 6-4, 295, Oklahoma

ILB Casey Matthews, 6-2, 235, Oregon
OLB Von Miller, 6-2, 240, Texas A&M
OLB Akeem Ayers, 6-4, 255, UCLA
OLB Bruce Carter, 6-3, 230, North Carolina

CB Patrick Peterson, 6-1, 210, LSU
CB Ras-I Dowling, 6-1, 200, Virginia
CB Prince Amukamara, 6-0, 200, Nebraska
CB DeAndre Morgan, 5-9, 170, North Carolina State
CB Kendric Burnley, 5-9, 185, North Carolina
CB Aaron Williams, 6-0, 190, Texas
CB Rashad Carmichael, 5-9, 195, Virginia Tech
CB Curtis Brown, 6-0, 185, Texas
CB Daven House, 5-11, 180, New Mexico State
CB Brandon Harris, 5-10, 195, Miami
CB Trevin Wade, 5-10, 185, Arizona
CB Jimmy Smith, 6-1, 210, Colorado
CB Chris L. Rucker, 6-1, 195, Michgan State

FS Rahim Moore, 6-0, 195, UCLA
FS Deunta Williams, 6-1, 210, North Carolina
FS Chris Culliver, 6-0, 190, South Carolina
FS Jermale Hines, 6-1, 215, Ohio State
FS Will Hill, 6-1, 205, Florida
FS Jeron Johnson, 5-10, 195, Boise State
FS Jaiqwaun Jarrett, 6-1, 195, Temple
FS Robert Sands, 6-4, 220, West Virginia

SS DeAndre McDaniel, 6-0, 210, Clemson
SS Mark Barron, 6-1, 210, Alabama
SS Tyler Sash, 6-0, 210, Iowa

P Drew Butler, 6-2, 205, Georgia

[painekiller]

Draftsite.com has a new one. They have us missing the playoffs

15 Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 6' 1" 205
47 Orlando Franklin OG Miami 6' 7" 318
79 Sam Acho DE Texas 6' 3" 258
111 James Cleveland WR Houston 6' 1" 205
143 Spencer Paysinger ILB Oregon 6' 3" 266
175 Chris Culliver S South Carolina 6' 0" 190
206 Cameron Higgins QB Weber State 6' 2" 195


MY cherry pick, I know it's early but the 1st pick is a no brainer
15 Mark Ingram* RB Alabama 5' 10" 215
47 Kristofer O'Dowd OC USC 6' 5" 300
79 Jerrod Johnson QB Texas A&M 6' 5" 243
111 Kyle Hix OT Texas 6' 7" 320

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

143 Spencer Paysinger ILB Oregon 6' 3" 266

I'm wondering where we'd play a 266lbs LB. Would we move Cushing to the WILL? That's the interesting pick to me that I don't see the Texans ever making.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I'm wondering where we'd play a 266lbs LB. Would we move Cushing to the WILL? That's the interesting pick to me that I don't see the Texans ever making.

When Bush was in Arizona, they had Pace who weighed in at 270. In 2007 Pace was an OLB and had a 107 tackles. Dansby was listed as 255, He also had over 100 tackles in 2007. So big LBs seem to be in Bush's background.

Johnny Holland on the other hand has a history of small quick LBs.

BTW IMO draftsite never has our picks right. They do not seem to care about the teams preferences.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

When Bush was in Arizona, they had Pace who weighed in at 270. In 2007 Pace was an OLB and had a 107 tackles. Dansby was listed as 255, He also had over 100 tackles in 2007. So big LBs seem to be in Bush's background.

With that in mind, I'd be curious about moving Connor Barwin to the SLB (6'4" 257lbs) compared to Calvin Pace (6'4" 265lbs) and sliding Cushing to WLB (6'3" 259) compared to Dansby (6'4" 250lbs).

Just a thought.

[painekiller]

Season Watch List

QB Jake Locker, 6-3, 225, Washington
QB Andrew Luck, 6-4, 235, Stanford
QB Ryan Mallett, 6-7, 250, Arkansas
QB Jerrod Johnson, 6-5, 245, Texas A&M *** I like this kid, would be a nice project
QB Case Keenum, 6-1, 210, Houston *** I like this kid, would be a nice project

RB Mark Ingram Alabama
RB John Clay, 6-2, 247, Wisconsin
RB Jacquizz Rodgers, 5-7, 195, Oregon State

WR Julio Jones, 6-4, 215, Alabama
WR A. J. Green, 6-3, 210, Georgia
WR Jon Baldwin, 6-5, 220, Pittsburgh
WR DeAndre Brown, 6-5, 230, Southern Mississippi (X)

OT Gabe Carimi, 6-6, 325, Wisconsin
OT Clint Boling, 6-5, 305, Georgia
OT Nate Solder, 6-8, 310, Colorado
OT Jason Pinkston, 6-4, 300, Pittsburgh
OT Derek Sherrod, 6-5, 305, Mississippi State
OT DeMarcus Love, 6-5, 315, Arkansas
OT Lee Ziemba, 6-7, 320, Auburn (XK)
OT Marcus Gilbert, 6-5, 325, Florida
OT Orlando Franklin, 6-6, 320, Miami
OT Chris Hairston, 6-6, 325, Clemson
OT *Josh Oglesby, 6-6, 330, Wisconsin (X)
OT Anthony Castonzo, 6-6, 295, Boston Colle
OT Nate Potter, OT, Boise State

OG Mike Pouncey, 6-4, 320, Florida (C)
OG Justin Boren, 6-3, 320, Ohio State
OG John Moffitt, 6-3, 325, Wisconsin
OG Rodney Hudson, 6-2, 290, Florida State
OG Alan Pelc, 6-5, 325, North Carolina
OG *James Wilson, 6-3, 320, Florida
OG Mike Berry, 6-3, 325, Auburn (XK)
OG Ben Lamaak, 6-4, 320, Iowa State
OG Dom Alford, 6-3, 335, Minnesota (OT)
OG Thomas Claiborne, 6-3, 325, Boston College
OG Steve Schilling, 6-4, 305, Michigan
OG David arkin, 6-5, 300, Missouri State

OC Kris O'Dowd, 6-4, 300, Southern California (X)
OC Stefen Wisniewski, 6-2, 305, Penn State (OG)
OC Alex Linnenkohl, 6-2, 305, Oregon State
OC Ben Lamaak, 6-3, 320, Iowa State
OC Zane Taylor, 6-2, 305, Utah
OC Colin Baxter, 6-3, 295, Arizona
OC Kevin Kowalski, 6-2, 300, Toledo
OC Dan Wenger, 6-3, 305, Notre Dame

DT Marvin Austin, 6-2, 305, North Carolina
DT *Jared Crick, 6-5, 285, Nebraska
DT *Marcus Fortson, 6-2 310, Miami
DT Stephen Paea, 6-1, 295, Oregon State
DT Jarvis Jenkins, 6-3, 305, Clemson
DT Adrian Taylor, 6-4, 295, Oklahoma

ILB Casey Matthews, 6-2, 235, Oregon
OLB Von Miller, 6-2, 240, Texas A&M
OLB Akeem Ayers, 6-4, 255, UCLA
OLB Bruce Carter, 6-3, 230, North Carolina

CB Patrick Peterson, 6-1, 210, LSU
CB Ras-I Dowling, 6-1, 200, Virginia
CB Prince Amukamara, 6-0, 200, Nebraska
CB DeAndre Morgan, 5-9, 170, North Carolina State
CB Kendric Burnley, 5-9, 185, North Carolina
CB Aaron Williams, 6-0, 190, Texas
CB Rashad Carmichael, 5-9, 195, Virginia Tech
CB Curtis Brown, 6-0, 185, Texas
CB Daven House, 5-11, 180, New Mexico State
CB Brandon Harris, 5-10, 195, Miami
CB Trevin Wade, 5-10, 185, Arizona
CB Jimmy Smith, 6-1, 210, Colorado
CB Chris L. Rucker, 6-1, 195, Michgan State

FS Rahim Moore, 6-0, 195, UCLA
FS Deunta Williams, 6-1, 210, North Carolina
FS Chris Culliver, 6-0, 190, South Carolina
FS Jermale Hines, 6-1, 215, Ohio State
FS Will Hill, 6-1, 205, Florida
FS Jeron Johnson, 5-10, 195, Boise State
FS Jaiqwaun Jarrett, 6-1, 195, Temple
FS Robert Sands, 6-4, 220, West Virginia

SS DeAndre McDaniel, 6-0, 210, Clemson
SS Mark Barron, 6-1, 210, Alabama
SS Tyler Sash, 6-0, 210, Iowa

P Drew Butler, 6-2, 205, Georgia

[Roy P]

If Matt Leinart is renting, then we might want a new QB to grooom. Greg McElroy from Alabama is playing tonight against Penn St. Watch and learn. He's 31-0 since high school. Smart guy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If Matt Leinart is renting, then we might want a new QB to grooom. Greg McElroy from Alabama is playing tonight against Penn St. Watch and learn. He's 31-0 since high school. Smart guy.

You beat me to it, my update is going to have him at top of my developmental type QB.

Luck is my top QB, he is as NFL ready as any QB I've seen coming out of college. And he still has another year of eligibility after this year.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Luck is my top QB, he is as NFL ready as any QB I've seen coming out of college. And he still has another year of eligibility after this year.

I watched Stanford play UCLA last night. Luck definitely looks like the real deal. He as the measurables and he also has 'it' when it comes to commanding the huddle. Yet, I'd still place that Locker kid from Washington at the top of the list.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

You beat me to it, my update is going to have him at top of my developmental type QB.

Luck is my top QB, he is as NFL ready as any QB I've seen coming out of college. And he still has another year of eligibility after this year.

PK I'm thinking that Luck is just a soph redshirt this year, so he's got 2 more year of eligibility after 2010. Since he's a junior in terms of his education, he'll probably gradute in 2012 which means he may enter the 2012 Draft (and leave a year of eligilbity on the table, but of course I'm only speculating).
BTW, big game for QB Locker - those rough, tuff Cornhuskers are visiting Seattle Saturday and it's on national TV (2:30 PM CST, ABC). Should be fun.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Season Watch List


WR Julio Jones, 6-4, 215, Alabama
WR A. J. Green, 6-3, 210, Georgia
WR Jon Baldwin, 6-5, 220, Pittsburgh
WR DeAndre Brown, 6-5, 230, Southern Mississippi (X)


ILB Casey Matthews, 6-2, 235, Oregon
OLB Von Miller, 6-2, 240, Texas A&M
OLB Akeem Ayers, 6-4, 255, UCLA
OLB Bruce Carter, 6-3, 230, North Carolina

Watched NC State vs. Cinci tonight and was impressed with a big WR for the Wolf Pack.

WR Jarvis Williams NC State 6'4" 218

I'm also looking at the LBs this season who have size & speed. Everyone knows the 'usual suspects':
OLB Travis Lewis* Oklahoma 6'2" 232
OLB Bruce Carter North Carolina 6'3" 230
OLB Greg Jones Michigan St 6'1" 235
OLB Dontay Moch Nevada 6'1" 240
OLB Von Miller Texas A&M 6'2" 240
OLB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina 6'2" 235

So, I thought I'd keep an eye on guys under the radar....
OLB Kelvin Sheppard LSU 6'2" 245
OLB Kendall Smith Florida St. 6'0" 235
OLB Stephen Franklin S. Illinois 6'0" 235
OLB Mario Addison Troy 6'2" 238
OLB Nate Williams N'Western 6'2" 235
OLB Kylan Robinson Miami 6'1" 235
OLB Jared Detrick Virginia 6'1" 235
OLB Sean Fobbs Akron 6'1" 240
OLB Dean DeLeone Arizona St. 6'2" 250
OLB Derrick Odom Memphis 6'3" 235
OLB Jeff Tarpinian Iowa 6'3" 235

[Blitzwood]

1. Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska 6-6 295 ***or*** Bruce Carter, OLB, N. Carolina, 6-3 235
2. Curtis Brown, CB, Texas 6-0 190
3. Broderick Green, RB/FB, Arkansas 6-2 250
4. Clint Boling, OT, Georgia 6-5 315
5. Mark LeGree, FS, App. St., 6-0 200