[Speculation] Should the Texans Make a Trade for an Experienced (and Light) DE?

[Keith]

Not sure I want to start a new thread on a speculated trade of my own creation, but if the Texans wanted an instant impact DE on the smaller side, maybe they could consider giving the Packers a call about Aaron Kampman.

The Packers just hired Dom Capers (yes, him) as their DC, and the team will be using the 3-4 much more now. Sorta makes Kampman an odd fit since his effectiveness as an OLB in that scheme is unknown.

Kampman (6'4" 265) was a 5th round pick in 2002, and he was a Pro Bowler in 2006 and 2007, registering 27.5 sacks. Last year, he had 9.5 sacks through the first three months of the season and threw up a 0 in December.

He is signed through 2009 and turns 30 this November. From what I know of him though, he seems like a decent fellow and someone who could be lethal opposite Mario for the next couple years.

Anyway, seems like if the Packers were ever going to trade him, now might be that time. I wonder if he'd be worth a 2nd, which is what I would guess the asking price would be, at least, in spite of his age and contract. Might be interesting to consider trading a f-tagged Dunta Robinson for him if you're someone comfortable with Bennett, Reeves, and Molden (and maybe a rookie?) under the new coaching regime on defense.

[NBT]

Kampman has been good but the Packers will want a first round draft choice for him IMO. Too much for a player 30 yrs old in his twilight years.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by NBT

Kampman has been good but the Packers will want a first round draft choice for him IMO. Too much for a player 30 yrs old in his twilight years.

I wonder if the Packers would take a 7th round pick for Jeremy Thompson. He's definitely a 4-3 DE that they traded up for in the 4th round last year to get. Perhaps now, he's expendable.

[Warren]

Any interest in Antwan Peek for this role? The Browns just cut him. Assuming he's healthy (he missed the '08 season with a knee injury), I'd be okay with signing him on the cheap (maybe with some performance incentives) to compete for playing time as a nickel rusher. Maybe the new coaches (he's never played for Bush or Kollar) and the fear of his NFL career slipping away could overcome his knuckleheadedness.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Warren

Any interest in Antwan Peek for this role? The Browns just cut him. Assuming he's healthy (he missed the '08 season with a knee injury), I'd be okay with signing him on the cheap (maybe with some performance incentives) to compete for playing time as a nickel rusher. Maybe the new coaches (he's never played for Bush or Kollar) and the fear of his NFL career slipping away could overcome his knuckleheadedness.

I was thinking the same thing.

According to McClain we arent looking for a "light" DE.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

I wonder if he'd be worth a 2nd, which is what I would guess the asking price would be, at least, in spite of his age and contract.

I'm not sure if my mind could handle trading away another second round pick...and I would guess there would be a couple of people around here even more upset than me.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by papabear

I'm not sure if my mind could handle trading away another second round pick...and I would guess there would be a couple of people around here even more upset than me.

Yeah, costs something to get something. Can't say as though I am advocating it, just something I was thinking about in light of our new DL coach.

A second rounder isn't assured to bring success, but given the team's recent draft record, I wouldn't want to bet against them either. It's one reason why I might consider dangling someone else like Dunta instead of a pick. Dunta would be reunited with Capers if traded to Green Bay.

Kampman is getting up there, but some people seem able to ignore that age a little bit for Peppers. Also, consider that John Abraham maybe just posted his best season ever for the Falcons, six months or so older than Kampman.

And as good as the Texans may be at drafting, it is still a risky business. Kampman's value is bit easier to forecast in the short-term. Drafting young D-lineman is hard, and even if they work out, they often take years to develop. Does Kubiak have the luxury of time still like when he took other DLs like Mario and Amobi?

[TexanJedi]

Rick Smith should inquire about Denver's plans for Elvis Dumervil.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by TexanJedi

Rick Smith should inquire about Denver's plans for Elvis Dumervil.

After Shannys demise in Denver, haven't Smith & Kubiak lost their Bronco contacts ?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

After Shannys demise in Denver, haven't Smith & Kubiak lost their Bronco contacts ?

Yes but Denver like Green Bay is switching to a 3/4. So keiths scenerio also fits Dumerville.

[jcp]

Originally Posted by Keith

... It's one reason why I might consider dangling someone else like Dunta instead of a pick. Dunta would be reunited with Capers if traded to Green Bay....?

Maybe I'm nuts but there is NO way I'd give up Dunta. He is by far our best DB... even playing on one leg, and that's probably our weakest position. Now if you can bamboozle somebody into taking Reeves contract...

If we can pick up a piece of the puzzle for cheap (4th-7th) in a trade for a guy who doesn't fit where they're at anymore (like Myers last year) then I'm okay with that. But it better be serious impact if I'm giving up a 1,2 or 3...and i just don't think we're at a place talentwise where we can afford to give up one of our best. (I wouldn't trade Dunta straight up for Peppers is how extreme I'd take that...and I'd love Peppers here)

-Pea

[popanot]

Other than for salary cap reasons, I can not think of a sound reason why someone would give up Drob as opposed to a #2 draft pick in a trade for a DE. Isn't DRob worth more to this team than a #2 gamble? At least we know what we have with DRob and I can't imagine a #2 CB would come in and produce what DR does any time soon. Maybe he would, but it's no guarantee. I'd give up a #2 for Dumerville or Kampman in a heartbeat.

[Keith]

Pea and popanot are right, of course. I have been a huge proponent of re-signing Dunta more than most, so I'm not trying to push him out the door. I suppose it's a scenario in which Dunta's demands are really too high and Bush's scheme relies less on Dunta's skills at CB. As with most speculated offseason trade whimsy, just trying to think a little too creatively.

And Dumervil fits the mold of the thread, too. At 25, he is a lot younger than Kampman. He's playing out his rookie contract in 2009.

[Warren]

I'd be surprised if the Broncos were willing to part with Dumervil before giving him a long look at one or more of the LBs spots in their 3-4. He's been too productive (before last year when he was playing with a hand injury) for them to part with unless they were to get a lot in return.

When he was coming out of Louisville I thought his best fit might be as a 3-4 ILB because his lack of height (5'11") wouldn't be as big of a negative inside and unlike most undersized DEs he uses more power and leverage than speed and quickness to defeat blocks, which would also seem to work better inside. Since he's been in Denver, though, he's shown that even though he's short he has long enough arms to match up with NFL OTs and the explosive burst of a pass rusher. He and DJ Williams could make a nice pair of bookend 3-4 OLBs if they keep him outside.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Warren

I'd be surprised if the Broncos were willing to part with Dumervil before giving him a long look at one or more of the LBs spots in their 3-4. He's been too productive (before last year when he was playing with a hand injury) for them to part with unless they were to get a lot in return.

When he was coming out of Louisville I thought his best fit might be as a 3-4 ILB because his lack of height (5'11") wouldn't be as big of a negative inside and unlike most undersized DEs he uses more power and leverage than speed and quickness to defeat blocks, which would also seem to work better inside. Since he's been in Denver, though, he's shown that even though he's short he has long enough arms to match up with NFL OTs and the explosive burst of a pass rusher. He and DJ Williams could make a nice pair of bookend 3-4 OLBs if they keep him outside.

If Dumervil was a good 4-3 DE, he might be an even better 3-4 OLB ? His body type is not that much different than Joey Porter and James Harrison, who've both been known to have some success as 3-4 OLBs.