Clowney note

bikerack · #1 08-27-2019, 03:33 PM

My friend with the team says Texans fans should start drinking now.

Sounds like Tunsil will not be included and the trade will be for a couple of players and a pick. That pick may be conditional and improve to a 2nd or 3rd depending on how Clowney performs.

Edit to add - he also said the situation is still fluid and nothing is locked in. A lot of these Miami rumors may be leaked to get another team to get off the pot.

HPF Bob · #2 08-28-2019, 12:31 AM

Dolphins have two picks in seemingly every round but the first. Their RB talent is weak with Kenyan Drake and Kalen Ballage set to split time. Although Kenneth Farrow, the former UH star, is in their camp and has played well in every setting he's been put in from college to AAF to Miami pre-season.

I would probably make a pitch of Clowney for Drake, DE Nate Orchard (size and speed translate to 3-4 OLB), a first, second and third. That fills some holes and sets us up for the draft.

Another option is Joey Mbu, another former UH Cougar who is second on their depth chart at NT.

chuck · #3 08-28-2019, 12:50 AM

Stills is the guy I keep hearing.

bikerack · #4 08-28-2019, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I would probably make a pitch of Clowney for Drake, DE Nate Orchard (size and speed translate to 3-4 OLB), a first, second and third. That fills some holes and sets us up for the draft.

This is why my friend said to start drinking. The return won't be anywhere close to that. The best he thinks is a player or two (one of which may have been cut anyway) and a 2nd (which will at least probably be a very early 2nd).

HPF Bob · #5 08-28-2019, 09:22 AM

That is where you show some Clowney highlight tapes and tell them "you're thisclose to getting this guy if you'll just part with an extra third. Whaddayasay?"

Keith · #6 08-30-2019, 12:25 AM

Latest from the Miami Herald:

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The Houston Texans have dangled a first-round draft choice and Pro Bowl edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney in a proposed trade for Dolphins left tackle Laremy Tunsil, but the Dolphins have asked for more than that, according to two league sources.
According to one person briefed on the discussions, the Dolphins have asked the Texans for another high draft pick in addition to Clowney and a first-round pick.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...#storylink=cpy

bikerack · #7 08-30-2019, 07:03 AM

Ugh. I might do that for Dillard, but not Tunsil...

barrett · #8 08-30-2019, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith

Latest from the Miami Herald:

This is what happens when you have no GM. Your head coach who may not be here in 2 years makes deals that should never be considered.

Or maybe this is just Miami playing the media.

painekiller · #9 08-30-2019, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by barrett

This is what happens when you have no GM. Your head coach who may not be here in 2 years makes deals that should never be considered.

Or maybe this is just Miami playing the media.

Or this is the Texans playing the media. Okay not how we normally visualize the Texans.

HPF Bob · #10 08-30-2019, 09:53 AM

Since Clowney needs to sign first and he currently doesn't have an agent plus the Texans currently have no GM, it is hard to tell who is calling the shots right now or what they might agree to. The Dolphins may think they might as well ask for rape just to see if the Texans agree to it.

I'm afraid we're looking at another LeVeon Bell situation.

HPF Bob · #11 08-30-2019, 10:01 AM

I could see the Texans sending Clowney to the Chargers for RB Melvin Gordon and some 2020 draft picks thrown in but it might wait until after Week 3 when the two teams play each other before they pull the trigger.

Clowney balked at the Dolphins because he "wants to play for a contender". Well, the Chargers were in the playoffs last year and the weather there is great year-round. He might regret agreeing to play in high-tax California rather than no-tax Florida but I bet that wouldn't even enter his thinking.

nunusguy · #12 08-30-2019, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I could see the Texans sending Clowney to the Chargers for RB Melvin Gordon and some 2020 draft picks thrown in but it might wait until after Week 3 when the two teams play each other before they pull the trigger.

Clowney balked at the Dolphins because he "wants to play for a contender". Well, the Chargers were in the playoffs last year and the weather there is great year-round. He might regret agreeing to play in high-tax California rather than no-tax Florida but I bet that wouldn't even enter his thinking.

Gordon would be an excellent addition to the Texans roster and their best RB since Arian Foster but the Texans imperative at this time is to find a capable LT who can protect Watson backside and Gordon can't help them meet that need.

HPF Bob · #13 08-30-2019, 04:14 PM

Granted, but they weren't interested in Williams for the Redskins who, other than being long in the tooth, is a capable LT. I'm not sure what is all that special about Tunsil. There's a lot of bad answers here. It may be a matter of finding the solution that stinks least.

bikerack · #14 08-31-2019, 08:02 AM

The Seahawks started making a strong push last night. My friend says if this falls through, he thinks Clowney will not be traded...but doesn’t know if he will report.

nunusguy · #15 08-31-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bikerack

The Seahawks started making a strong push last night. My friend says if this falls through, he thinks Clowney will not be traded...but doesn’t know if he will report.

Two teams Clowney specifically stated he'd like to play for - Eagles & Seahawks.
Seahawks LT is former Texans Duane Brown so they can't help us there.

chuck · #16 08-31-2019, 11:40 AM

Total, complete, utter incompetence.

To wit:

https://twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/s...067959809?s=21

A video game is a better personnel manager than the Texans.

HPF Bob · #17 08-31-2019, 12:07 PM

Underwhelming for sure but still better than the Tunsil deal. Giving up Clowney *and* a first? That was suicide.

LeSean McCoy just got cut by the Bills. We can use some of that unspent cash to get him under contract.

Keith · #18 08-31-2019, 12:09 PM

Can anyone name a worse transaction in franchise history?

barrett · #19 08-31-2019, 12:12 PM

Not trading him before the tender deadline made him a one year rental with little value.

Add that to having no GM and nobody involved with trades who is staked in being here long term.

Put it together and we traded him away for no reason and no return.

HPF Bob · #20 08-31-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith

Can anyone name a worse transaction in franchise history?

Taking Tony Boselli in the expansion draft?

I'm still frosted that they passed up LB Derrick Johnson twice for a trade down then a DT that didn't last 2 years.