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Old 10-16-2013, 10:23 AM
HPF Bob HPF Bob is offline
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Default After all the handwringing, what would you do?

You get to direct the Texans for the rest of the year. You are aghast with what you've seen lately and you have McNair's ear as to what should be done.

What would you recommend?

a) Stay the course. Play Schaub if he's healthy and trust the coaches to put together gameplans that can win.

b) Bench Schaub and ride out the season as a make-or-break audition for Yates and Keenum.

c) Fire Kubiak at the end of the season and find a way to unload Schaub even if it means eating some cap money.

d) Fire Kubiak and Phillips at the end of the season and start all over with the hottest coordinator/college coach out there.

For myself, I'm still at A while leaning towards B. But feel free to make your case for any other answer. Explain your thought process and who you think might be out there to replace people you are letting go.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:49 AM
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If Kubiak can get the team back on track where they can play well enough to be competitive (unlike in the last couple games), and finish the season with
MOL a .500 season even though they fail to make the playoffs, I expect and would think he deserves one more year. But if the team flounders like the last couple games, and it's clear he's lost the team, then I'd think a change should be made after the season is over. So I guess put me in or around the "A" category.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:57 AM
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On 10/16/13, at 10:52AM, I'm an A. There's still 10 games left, and stranger things have happened.

If/when we hit the magic #7, as in losses, then I'm a strong B.

Regardless of what happens, I think I'd split your C. I'd like to see some new blood at the QB spot in '14.

I don't anticipate a change in HC/DC for '14. I do expect a change in OC if things continue to spiral in the wrong direction. I'm clueless as to who though, but I think that's the direction they will head in. Kubiak will bring in an OC, to call the plays.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:48 AM
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Ditto. Agree completely.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:18 PM
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I'm a B. Give me Drew Brees Jr. the rest of the year (why do people insist on going straight to the hyperbolic Tom Brady? "so, he's the next Tom Brady, eh?" ).

That's doesn't mean throwing in the towel. It could salvage the season (Wild Card or better). I don't think we are going anywhere with #1.

In the preseason, Yates pretty much had to play flawlessly to hold onto his #2 status. And he pretty much did. Where'd that guy go? Sunday, he looked like the "old" TJ. But he was put in a tough situation - nobody seems to be willing to acknowledge the possibility of rust. TJ can play better and would be my second choice.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:21 PM
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If what I hear is true about the backup QBs getting few practice snaps with the first team, I wouldn't hold it against Yates that he had a bad game in relief. But I didn't see the zip on his passes yesterday that I saw in August either and he did look tentative, particularly after the Pick 6.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:53 PM
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Put me down for (c). Both Kubiak and Schaub have had the better part of a decade. That's an eternity in the NFL. Kubiak has 2 playoff wins to show for it and Schaub 1. Can you think of any other HC/QB combo given that much time with that little success?

Have you noticed that it seems like with both, we're constantly debating whether they're the reason why we lost? We have virtually never talked about why either was the reason we won anything. If after 8 years, you can't explain why either will result in wins and can only claim that neither is totally to blame for the loss, well, that should tell you something.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:57 PM
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I would start TJ now, he either falls on his face or he could be Kurt Warner, but we will never know with out him playing. Sunday is a hopeless cause, and KC can get after a QB, see what the kid can do. Then you can see it you need to go QB higher in the draft.

Also I stay the course with Kubs, but if we look as bad as we have the last few weeks, fire him name Wade temp HC. And coach Joe is got to go also.

Then decide, at the end of the year.

I would look at Zimmerman from Cincy and Dan Quinn from Seattle to start with as possible guys for next year. Guy in KC looks to old.

I would prefer to stay with a 3-4 but we don't have to. I would like to stay WCO but I am not married to it.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:53 AM
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I think with a loss to KC combined with a loss to Indy, we're done. At that point it's start Keenum, trade Tate for whatever you can get for him, move Reed to ILB and see what you got because he isn't doing squat at OLB/pass-rush, start Jefferson at OLB, IR Daniels and let the young TE's play as much as possible, etc... Just do whatever else you can to see what level of young talent you have.

As for the coaching staff, personally, I think this staff has ran it's course. It's been 8 or so years now and I don't think they'll ever get it done. Why continue with mediocrity or just above average? If Kubiak does stay, I'd mandate that he relinquish OC duties for sure. It's ridiculous to me that he's HC and has a puppet for a OC, and then to top that off, won't let his 8-yr vet QB audible. Kubiak's either a stubborn control freak or extremely paranoid. If you can't trust your QB to audible, maybe that's an indication he's not the right QB to lead your team.

I don't even know what to do with Smith. He's done some good things, but IMO, the depth on this team is way below average and that's a direct reflection on him and Kubiak. He's also approved and/or made some horrible signings and hasn't done a good job of managing the cap (who wouldn't kill to have Quinn over Reed now?). Considering all that, I guess I'd jettison him as well.

I guess that would put me in the C or D category.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:03 AM
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Replace kubiak, IR everyone I can, replace Schaub (not as an audition, as an inevitability). Get as low as possible in the standings. If you are going to waste a season, waste one like Indy did 2 years ago.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:08 PM
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I've been complaining for years that the Texans would never win with Kubiak and this year's debacle has done nothing but redefine that sentiment for me.

I would certainly bench Schaub and start Yates or preferably Keenum. Either of the younger guys is by default more mobile, could not possibly have a weaker arm and cannot possibly make as many bad decisions as Schaub. I would play Keenum Sunday and beyond and if he avails himsef, great, if not, the team should have a good enough draft pick to get a promising quarterback.

Just this morning I had a change of heart regarding Kubiak. I was going along with most people, you know, let's fire his dumb ass after the season. But he is the focal point of this team's cancer. I say fire his ass now and see if we can salvage the season. The reasoning obviously is I have no faith whatever in Kubaik's ability to do anything positive. I would leave Wade where he is and promote whoever else is most senior to he interim head coach. I'll bet you would see an immediate change in the team's attitude.

This will never happen, of course. For all I know Kubaik will be the head coach next year. In fact, I would bet on it.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:49 PM
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For all I know Kubaik will be the head coach next year. In fact, I would bet on it.
Heard a bit on one of the radio stations that you actually COULD bet on that.

Even money on Kubiak.
+110 on Schaub as starting QB. For non-gamblers, that means they don't think he will be.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:59 PM
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Heard a bit on one of the radio stations that you actually COULD bet on that.

Even money on Kubiak.
+110 on Schaub as starting QB. For non-gamblers, that means they don't think he will be.
I would take even money on Kubiak's being HC and I would back up the truck on Schaub's not being the starting QB. And I say this before I know whether Case is any good.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:25 AM
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I would leave Wade where he is and promote whoever else is most senior to he interim head coach.
That would probably be Marciano. And at this point, I'd be OK with it because they'd continue to suck and it would guarantee change in 2014. My worst fear would be Wade gets promoted and they start winning and we're relegated to another 5+ years of average.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:11 PM
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That would probably be Marciano. And at this point, I'd be OK with it because they'd continue to suck and it would guarantee change in 2014.
I guess I should have said the most senior coach who has shown a capacity to be able to coach but thinking about it if it would get Marciano the hell away from the special teams I'm all for it.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:41 AM
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That would probably be Marciano. And at this point, I'd be OK with it because they'd continue to suck and it would guarantee change in 2014. My worst fear would be Wade gets promoted and they start winning and we're relegated to another 5+ years of average.
That is my fear.
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