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Roy P 02-14-2010 02:57 PM

DraftTek Simulator
 
Ok, most of you have seen the 7 round mock drafts that DraftTek puts out. However, you can make trades and establish your own priorities for your team and then run a simulation. This can be quite useful information Anyway, many folks around here have voiced the opinion that trading down is a good idea to improve depth and fill holes. So, I traded the #20 pick to the Big Tuna. Miami in turn gave the Texans picks 43, 73, 107, 163, 164, and 169.
Armed with many picks to play with, BPA became more important than need filling. The Simulator drafted the following players for the Texans.

43 Houston Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma
50 Houston Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State
73 Houston T.J. Ward FS Oregon
83 Houston Lamarr Houston DT43 Texas
107 Houston A.J. Edds OLB43 Iowa
115 Houston Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
146 Houston Ted Larsen OG North Carolina State
163 Houston C.J. Wilson DE43 East Carolina
164 Houston Riley Cooper WRF Florida
169 Houston John Skelton QB Fordham
177 Houston Harry Coleman SS LSU
187 Houston Richard Dickson FB LSU
211 Houston Andre Roberts WRS Citadel

When I went through the Mock with my draftboard, this was who I came away with:
43 CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
50 WR *Arrelious Benn 6'2" 214 4.50 Illinois
72 RB Anthony Dixon 6'1" 235 4.59 Mississippi St
83 DT Cam Thomas 6'4" 331 5.18 North Carolina
107 LB AJ Edds 6'4" 246 4.68 Iowa
115 OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.28 Iowa
146 FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.52 Vanderbilt
163 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
164 DT Corey Peters 6'3" 295 4.95 Kentucky
169 S Nick Polk 5'11" 213 4.54 Indiana
177 OC John Estes 6'2" 295 5.22 Hawaii
187 DE Lindsey Witten 6'4" 248 4.68 Connecticut
211OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.06 TCU

Roy P 02-14-2010 10:29 PM

Okay, I realize that there's probably no deal with Miami, but I just like the way this keeps going. Hit it again, and this is my loot....

43 CB Devin McCourty 5'11" 188 4.47 Rutgers
50 WR Arrelious Benn 6'2" 214 4.50 Illinois
73 LG Mike Johnson 6'5" 305 5.38 Alabama
83 CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
107 RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.50 Auburn
115 RG Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.28 Iowa
146 NT Linval Joseph 6'6" 322 5.32 East Carolina
163 DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.09 East Carolina
164 OC Ted Larsen 6'2" 300 5.24 North Carolina St
169 QB John Skelton 6'5" 245 4.88 Fordham
177 S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
187 LB Pat Angerer 6'0" 235 4.52 Iowa
211 DE Junior Galette 6'2" 244 4.63 Stillman College

I don't know if I have Ghee play FS or just leave him at CB. If Robert Johnson can play FS then (you can't have too many good CBs). I can't say that want to draft a WR, but Benn is just too good to pass up at #50. The trenches get beefed up with Johnson, Calloway, and Larsen on offense and the ECU Pirates remain teammates on the DL when I selected Joseph and Ross back to back. With soo many picks, I could grab my QB project as well as a DE/LB from a small school who will at least contribute on Special Teams. I think the steal of this scenario is Ben Tate and McCourty addressed the biggest need the team has if Dunta Robinson is gone. McCourty at #43 is probably as good as any CB we'd be able to select at #20.

Roy P 02-15-2010 11:33 AM

Just so everyone else can play along...this was the draft simulated by DraftTek's website after putting in some trades and priorities. First 3 rounds...
1 St Louis Ndamukong Suh DT43 Nebraska
2 Detroit Gerald McCoy DT43 Oklahoma
3 Tampa Bay Eric Berry FS Tennessee
4 Washington Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State
5 Kansas City Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
6 Seattle Joe Haden CB Florida
7 Cleveland Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
8 Oakland Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
9 Buffalo Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
10 Denver Trent Williams OG Oklahoma
11 Jacksonville Dez Bryant WRF Oklahoma State
12 Miami Dan Williams DT34 Tennessee
13 San Francisco C.J. Spiller RBC Clemson
14 Seattle Derrick Morgan DE43 Georgia Tech
15 NY Giants Earl Thomas FS Texas
16 Tennessee Carlos Dunlap DE43 Florida
17 San Francisco Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
18 Pittsburgh Mike Iupati OG Idaho
19 Atlanta Sean Weatherspoon OLB43 Missouri
20 Miami Golden Tate WRF Notre Dame
21 Cincinnati Taylor Mays SS USC
22 New England Brandon Graham OLB34 Michigan
23 Green Bay Charles Brown OT USC
24 Philadelphia Corey Wootton DE43 Northwestern
25 Baltimore Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
26 Arizona Ricky Sapp OLB34 Clemson
27 Dallas Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
28 San Diego Jared Odrick DE34 Penn State
29 NY Jets Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
30 Minnesota Syd'Quan Thompson CB California
31 Indianapolis Sergio Kindle OLB43 Texas
32 New Orleans Brian Price DT43 UCLA
33 St Louis Everson Griffen DE43 USC
34 Detroit Jason Pierre-Paul DE43 South Florida
35 Tampa Bay Jerry Hughes DE43 TCU
36 Kansas City Maurkice Pouncey OC Florida
37 Washington Colt McCoy QB Texas
38 Cleveland Jonathan Dwyer RBF Georgia Tech
39 Oakland Vladimir Ducasse OT Massachusetts
40 Seattle Jahvid Best RBC California
41 Buffalo Brandon Spikes OLB34 Florida
42 New England Daryl Washington ILB TCU
43 Houston Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma
44 Tampa Bay Brandon LaFell WRF LSU
45 Denver Marshawn Gilyard WRS Cincinnati
46 NY Giants Matt Tennant OC Boston College
47 New England Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
48 Carolina Jason Worilds DE43 Virginia Tech
49 San Francisco Demaryius Thomas WRP Georgia Tech
50 Houston Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State
51 Kansas City Terrence Cody DT34 Alabama
52 Pittsburgh Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
53 New England Nate Allen FS South Florida
54 Cincinnati Aaron Hernandez TE Florida
55 Philadelphia Navorro Bowman OLB43 Penn State
56 Green Bay Selvish Capers OT West Virginia
57 Baltimore Damian Williams WRF USC
58 Arizona Sean Lee ILB Penn State
59 Dallas Dexter McCluster WRS Mississippi
60 San Diego Jon Asamoah OT Illinois
61 NY Jets Mike Johnson OG Alabama
62 Minnesota Tim Tebow QB Florida
63 Indianapolis Toby Gerhart RBF Stanford
64 New Orleans Jason Fox OT Miami
65 St Louis Arrelious Benn WRF Illinois
66 Detroit Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State
67 Tampa Bay Tyson Alualu DT43 California
68 Kansas City Morgan Burnett SS Georgia Tech
69 Oakland Tony Pike QB Cincinnati
70 Philadelphia Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest
71 Cleveland Greg Hardy OLB34 Mississippi
72 Buffalo Eric Norwood ILB South Carolina
73 Houston T.J. Ward FS Oregon
74 Chicago Reshad Jones SS Georgia
75 Jacksonville Chad Jones SS LSU
76 NY Giants Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona
77 Carolina Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan
78 Tennessee Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
79 San Francisco John Jerry OG Mississippi
80 Denver Jerome Murphy CB South Florida
81 Atlanta Koa Misi DE43 Utah
82 Pittsburgh Anthony Dixon RBF Mississippi State
83 Houston Lamarr Houston DT43 Texas
84 Cincinnati Jordan Shipley WRS Texas
85 Oakland Rennie Curran OLB43 Georgia
86 Green Bay Amari Spievey CB Iowa
87 Philadelphia Brandon Lang DE43 Troy
88 Baltimore Dezmon Briscoe WRP Kansas
89 Arizona Ed Dickson TE Oregon
90 Dallas Donovan Warren CB Michigan
91 San Diego Montario Hardesty RBF Tennessee
92 Cleveland Carlton Mitchell WRF South Florida
93 Minnesota J.D. Walton OG Baylor
94 Indianapolis Jimmy Graham TE Miami
95 New Orleans Austen Lane DE43 Murray State

Roy P 02-15-2010 11:38 AM

Here is the rest of the simulation...
96 St Louis Joe McKnight RBC USC
97 Detroit Rodger Saffold OT Indiana
98 Tampa Bay Larry Asante OLB43 Nebraska
99 Kansas City Ciron Black OG LSU
100 Washington Brandon Carter OG Texas Tech
101 Seattle Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
102 Cleveland Anthony McCoy TE USC
103 Oakland Cam Thomas DT43 North Carolina
104 Buffalo Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale
105 Chicago Alex Carrington DE43 Arkansas State
106 Jacksonville Jevan Snead QB Mississippi
107 Houston A.J. Edds OLB43 Iowa
108 Carolina Jeremy Williams WRF Tulane
109 Tennessee Arthur Jones DT43 Syracuse
110 San Francisco Major Wright SS Florida
111 Denver Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin
112 NY Giants Darryl Sharpton ILB Miami
113 Pittsburgh George Selvie OLB34 South Florida
114 Atlanta Javier Arenas CB Alabama
115 Houston Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
116 New England Mike Neal DE34 Purdue
117 Cincinnati Taylor Price WRF Ohio
118 Philadelphia Joique Bell RBF Wayne State
119 Green Bay Akwasi Owusu-Ansah FS Indiana (PA)
120 Baltimore Alterraun Verner CB UCLA
121 Arizona Tony Moeaki FB Iowa
122 Dallas Chris Cook FS Virginia
123 San Diego Joshua Moore CB Kansas State
124 Philadelphia Kam Chancellor FS Virginia Tech
125 Minnesota Willie Young DE43 North Carolina State
126 New Orleans Dekoda Watson OLB43 Florida State
127 Indianapolis Darrell Stuckey SS Kansas
128 St Louis Freddie Barnes WRF Bowling Green
129 Detroit Mitch Petrus OG Arkansas
130 Cleveland Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
131 St Louis Dennis Pitta TE BYU
132 Kansas City Mike Williams WRF Syracuse
133 Cleveland Torrell Troup DT34 Central Florida
134 Oakland Jeff Owens DT43 Georgia
135 Seattle D'Anthony Smith DT43 Louisiana Tech
136 Buffalo Vince Oghobaase DE34 Duke
137 Jacksonville Roddrick Muckelroy OLB43 Texas
138 Kansas City Ben Tate RBF Auburn
139 Chicago Eric Decker WRF Minnesota
140 Tennessee Danario Alexander WRP Missouri
141 San Francisco Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State
142 Detroit LeGarrette Blount RBF Oregon
143 NY Giants Shay Hodge WRF Mississippi
144 Kansas City Colin Peek TE Alabama
145 Atlanta Sam Young OT Notre Dame
146 Houston Ted Larsen OG North Carolina State
147 Pittsburgh Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky
148 Cincinnati Pat Angerer ILB Iowa
149 Tampa Bay Charles Scott RBF LSU
150 Green Bay Jermaine Cunningham OLB34 Florida
151 St Louis Thaddeus Gibson OLB43 Ohio State
152 Baltimore Myron Lewis FS Vanderbilt
153 Arizona Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
154 New England Zane Beadles OT Utah
155 San Diego Jamar Chaney ILB Mississippi State
156 Cleveland Rashawn Jackson FB Virginia
157 Minnesota Ed Wang OT Virginia Tech
158 Indianapolis Jacoby Ford WRS Clemson
159 Philadelphia Brian Jackson CB Oklahoma
160 St Louis Myron Rolle SS Florida State
161 Detroit Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
162 Tampa Bay Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
163 Houston C.J. Wilson DE43 East Carolina
164 Houston Riley Cooper WRF Florida

165 Carolina Geno Atkins DT43 Georgia
166 Seattle Kevin Haslam OT Rutgers
167 Cleveland Perry Riley ILB LSU
168 Buffalo Sergio Render OG Virginia Tech
169 Houston John Skelton QB Fordham
170 Chicago Chris Scott OG Tennessee
171 Jacksonville Cameron Sheffield DE43 Troy
172 San Francisco Devin Ross CB Arizona
173 Denver Jacob Hickman OC Nebraska
174 NY Giants Kavell Conner OLB43 Clemson
175 Cleveland Robert Johnson FS Utah
176 Tennessee O'Brien Schofield OLB43 Wisconsin
177 Houston Harry Coleman SS LSU
178 Pittsburgh Terrell Skinner FS Maryland
179 Atlanta Andrew Quarless TE Penn State
180 New England James Starks RBF Buffalo
181 Cincinnati Eric Olsen OG Notre Dame
182 Buffalo Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
183 Green Bay Linval Joseph DE34 East Carolina
184 Baltimore Donald Butler ILB Washington
185 Arizona Derek Hardman OT Eastern Kentucky
186 Dallas John Estes OG Hawaii
187 Houston Richard Dickson FB LSU
188 NY Jets Clifton Geathers DE34 South Carolina
189 Minnesota Jeron Mastrud TE Kansas State
190 Philadelphia Nick Polk FS Indiana
191 New Orleans Blair White WRF Michigan State
192 St Louis Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee
193 Detroit Kyle McCarthy SS Notre Dame
194 Tampa Bay Kurt Coleman SS Ohio State
195 Washington Lonyae Miller RBF Fresno State
196 Miami Lindsey Witten OLB34 Connecticut
197 Seattle Naaman Roosevelt WRF Buffalo
198 Cleveland Chris Marinelli OT Stanford
199 Oakland Walter Thurmond CB Oregon
200 Buffalo Reggie Carter QB UCLA
201 Chicago Stephan Virgil CB Virginia Tech
202 Tampa Bay Reggie Stephens OG Iowa State
203 Miami Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
204 Denver Rahim Alem OLB34 LSU
205 NY Giants Earl Mitchell DT43 Arizona
206 Carolina Antonio Coleman OLB43 Auburn
207 Tennessee Kendrick Lewis FS Mississippi
208 San Francisco Danny Batten OLB34 South Dakota State
209 Pittsburgh Dorin Dickerson FB Pittsburgh
210 St Louis Kevin Basped DE43 Nevada
211 Houston Andre Roberts WRS Citadel
212 Cincinnati Justin Cole OLB43 San Jose State
213 New England Chris Hawkins CB LSU
214 Green Bay Andre Anderson RBF Tulane
215 New England Van Eskridge SS East Carolina
216 Baltimore Matt Kopa OT Stanford
217 Arizona Robert Vaughn CB Connecticut
218 Dallas Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama
219 San Diego Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington
220 NY Jets Marcus Easley WRF Connecticut
221 Minnesota Chris Brown RBF Oklahoma
222 Indianapolis Chris McGaha WRF Arizona State
223 New Orleans Antonio Brown WRS Central Michigan

painekiller 02-19-2010 08:10 PM

#43 Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma I'll stay with him over Wilson, due to size and pre-combine est speed
#50 Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
#73 Donovan Warren CB Michigan
#83 J.D. Walton OC Baylor
107 A.J. Edds OLB43 Iowa
115 Kam Chancellor FS Virginia Tech
146 Charles Scott RBF LSU
163 Sergio Render OG Virginia Tech
164 John Skelton QB Fordham if i draft a QB this looks like the one to grab, but I don't draft one.
169 James Starks RBF Buffalo
177 Stephan Virgil CB Virginia Tech
187 Richard Dickson FB LSU
211 Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama

I've done better.

painekiller 02-19-2010 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18411)
#43 Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma I'll stay with him over Wilson, due to size and pre-combine est speed
#50 Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
#73 Donovan Warren CB Michigan
#83 J.D. Walton OC Baylor
107 A.J. Edds OLB43 Iowa
115 Kam Chancellor FS Virginia Tech
146 Charles Scott RBF LSU
163 Sergio Render OG Virginia Tech
164 John Skelton QB Fordham if i draft a QB this looks like the one to grab, but I don't draft one.
169 James Starks RBF Buffalo
177 Stephan Virgil CB Virginia Tech
187 Richard Dickson FB LSU
211 Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama

I've done better.

43 Terrence Cody DT43 Alabama
50 Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
73 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
83 Donovan Warren CB Michigan

Cody stops the run, Asamoah and Johnson help the run, Warren is a larger version of Dunta.

painekiller 02-19-2010 08:33 PM

Draft revision 17 Feb 16.
20 Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech RBF
50 Syd'Quan Thompson California CB
83 Rodger Saffold OT/OG Indiana
115 Major Wright FS Florida
146 Geno Atkins DT43 Georgia
177 C.J. Wilson DE43 East Carolina
187 John Skelton QB Fordham
211 Antonio Coleman OLB43 Auburn

Not a bad draft.

NBT 02-20-2010 02:00 PM

I don't know, other than Dwyer, I am not swept away with that draft.

painekiller 02-20-2010 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 18420)
I don't know, other than Dwyer, I am not swept away with that draft.

I did not say it was great, only not bad. Which on my scale is pretty low. Problem is the 1st round pick sucks and there is no one I really want to take until the 2nd. And then there are 12 guys. :eek:

Which is why I did not cherry pick

Roy P 02-20-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18413)
Draft revision 17 Feb 16.
20 Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech RBF
50 Syd'Quan Thompson California CB
83 Rodger Saffold OT/OG Indiana
115 Major Wright FS Florida
146 Geno Atkins DT43 Georgia
177 C.J. Wilson DE43 East Carolina
187 John Skelton QB Fordham
211 Antonio Coleman OLB43 Auburn

Not a bad draft.

This is who I would have drafted without trade-downs using My Guys.

20. OT Trent Williams 6'5" 308 5.30 Oklahoma
50. WR Arrelious Benn 6'2" 214 4.50 Illinois
83. RB Toby Gerhart 6'1" 235 4.55 Stanford
115. DT Linval Joseph 6'6" 322 5.32 East Carolina
146. DT Mike Neal 6'3" 300 4.96 Purdue
177. S Robert Johnson 6'2" 200 4.52 Utah
187. OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.06 TCU
211. CB Patrick Stoudamire 5'11" 198 4.49 Western Illinois

I think the OL would be very much improved with Williams and Newhouse. The DL play would be improved too if Joseph is the player I thought Okam could be. Benn was simply a BPA pick in the 2nd round, that made me want to slide him down my board after the draft because I didn't really make an impact splash on the Secondary. I like Gerhart, but again could have gotten Ben Tate in the next round. I could have gotten Linval Joseph at #146 in this mock (drafted #175). It would have been perfect if CB Donovan Warren had been available at #83 (he was drafted #82)

20 OT T. Williams
50. DT T. Alualu
83. CB D. Warren
115. RB B. Tate
146. DT L. Joseph

idymoe 02-24-2010 03:20 PM

This isn't using the simulator, but Draftek finally has a mock and players available that I would be happy with just about any combination.

I only am doing the first 4 rounds.

Draftek:

1. J. Dwyer RB
2. J Asomoah OG3
3. A. Benn WR
4. Chris Cook FS

I could be happy with that draft. Here are some other possibilities, according to Draftek. All these mocks have a lot of disparity as to where a lot of players will be taken. I have seen Myron Rolle anywhere from the 2nd round to the 6th round. Anyway, here are several combinations available according to Draftek that look appealing to me.

1. M. Iupati OG
2. K. Wilson CB
3. Tobe Gerhart RB
4. John Jerry OG

1. Maurkice Pouncey C/OG
2. J. Asamoah OG
3. Donovan Warren CB
4. Ben Tate RB

1. Brian Price DT
2. Perrish Cox CB
3. Cam Thomas DT
4. Mitch Petrus OG

1. Sean Weatherspoon OLB
2. J.D. Walton C
3. Donovan Warren CB
4. Joique Bell RB

Other available 4th round guys I think would be good values are:

Zane Beadles OL
A.J. Edds OLB
Mike Williams WR

I think you could mix and match a lot of different ways and come up with a good draft.

Roy P 02-24-2010 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 18494)

I think you could mix and match a lot of different ways and come up with a good draft.

1. Sean Weatherspoon OLB
2. J. Asamoah OG
3. Donovan Warren CB
4. Ben Tate RB

Now, I just need a NT and FS

Perhaps Linval Joseph and Myron Rolle or Brian Jackson.

idymoe 02-24-2010 05:53 PM

I would be happy with that. I just wish someone could guarantee those players would be available at those picks.:cool:

painekiller 02-24-2010 06:01 PM

You just beat me to this: Mock #18 Feb 23, 2010
DraftTek
20 Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech RBF
50 Jon Asamoah Illinois OG
83 Arrelious Benn WRF Illinois
115 Chris Cook FS Virginia
146 D'Anthony Smith DT43 Louisiana Tech
177 C.J. Wilson DE43 East Carolina
187 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
211 Dorin Dickerson FB Pittsburgh

MY Cherry Pick

20 Mike Iupati Idaho OG
50 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
83 Amari Spievey CB Iowa
115 A.J. Edds OLB43 Iowa
146 James Starks RBF Buffalo
177 Andre Anderson RBF Tulane
187 Walter Thurmond CB/S Oregon
211 Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama

Iupati is not what I want, but if the coaches believe in his raw skills and he shows coachability, BPA IMO at #20, I vote for a trade down as you know.

Wilson should start, Spievey should get playing time. Edds is depth for WILL and should push Diles in a year or two. Will push Adibi.

Starks and Anderson will play.

Thurmond should be able to play FS in our system.

Tiffin no explanation necessary.

Roy P 02-24-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 18498)
I would be happy with that. I just wish someone could guarantee those players would be available at those picks.:cool:

If we are going to get guaranteed players then, I'd go with this....

20. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 5.23 Tennessee
50. LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.59 Missouri
82. DT Tyson Alualu 6'2" 295 4.96 California
115. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.50 Auburn
146. OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
177. OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.28 Iowa
187. CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
211. FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.52 Vanderbilt

Think we could pull that off? That'd be cool. :eek:

idymoe 02-24-2010 06:06 PM

PK, tell me about Speivey, if you don't mind.

idymoe 02-24-2010 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 18501)
If we are going to get guaranteed players then, I'd go with this....

20. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 5.23 Tennessee
50. LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.59 Missouri
82. DT Tyson Alualu 6'2" 295 4.96 California
115. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.50 Auburn
146. OT Rodger Saffold 6'5" 306 5.23 Indiana
177. OT Kyle Calloway 6'6" 320 5.28 Iowa
187. CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
211. FS Myron Lewis 6'2" 205 4.52 Vanderbilt

Think we could pull that off? That'd be cool. :eek:

No doubt, that would be great. Do you really think Williams will be there in the first and Weatherspoon in the second?

Roy P 02-24-2010 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 18503)
No doubt, that would be great. Do you really think Williams will be there in the first and Weatherspoon in the second?

No, I don't think either.

Using the 2/23 update of DraftTek Mock draft and My Guys, this is what I came up with....

20. LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.59 Missouri
50. CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
83. CB Donovan Warren 6'0" 185 4.42 Michigan
115. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.50 Auburn
146. DT Linval Joseph 6'6" 322 5.32 East Carolina
177. DT Jay Ross 6'3" 317 5.09 East Carolina
187. FS Jamar Wall 5'10" 204 4.52 Texas Tech
211. OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.06 TCU

Loaded up on Secondary and DL.

painekiller 02-24-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 18502)
PK, tell me about Speivey, if you don't mind.

A few quotes first;

GazetteOnline interview with Mike Mayock
Quote:

“As far as corners, Spievey, I like him a lot as a physical, press, cover-2-type corner. I’m anxious to see what he runs; he’s only a junior so we don’t have any height, weight, speed on him. He’s one of those Iowa corners that also could translate, a la Charles Godfrey, to free safety, which adds to his versatility."
Read this interview on Scout.com

Quote:

Ed Thompson: As you look back on your career at Iowa, what are you really proud of?

Amari Spievey: To start both years I was there after I got kicked out and came back, that was great. To be able to compete at a high level and help the defense win and to be a huge factor on the defense and lock down my side every game.

Thompson: You started out with a bump in the road, redshirting your freshman year and left to go to Iowa Central Community College. While you were there you got your academics on track and had a standout season for their football team. Talk about how that experience of being forced to leave Iowa benefited you in the long run.

Spievey: It re-humbled me. Getting kicked out and going there was a big wake-up call. It made me appreciate the opportunity and blessings I had at Iowa and made me fight even harder to reach my goal. I knew if I got a chance to come back it would be my last chance, and I wanted to make the best of it.
I not going to say I have watched a bunch of tape on this kid, but I like what I have seen. The kid is listed 5-11 190 and is expected to run a 4.5. I like the mental side in the interviews and he has man to man skill and can play in a zone. Something about him intrigues me.

idymoe 02-24-2010 11:10 PM

Thanks for the info.

painekiller 02-25-2010 07:18 PM

I just rewatched the Senior Bowl, BTW it will be replayed tomorrow evening on the NFL network, and was thinking outside the box. Roy's likes to use the BPA no matter the position, and after rewatching the game what if we go DE in the 1st?

In the mock we are using Drafttek #18,

the 19th pick, which we will be flipping a coin for tomorrow morning, is Brandon Graham Michigan DE43.

Roy had him select BPA in one of his mocks and I questioned him, but now I think he might be right. Graham is unblockable and he plays the run as well as Mario. Imagine a front four of Mario, NT/Robinson/Okam/Cody, Okoye/Smith,
Graham. Those DEs would be unblockable. Now I would go with the biggest body DT that produced that I had so the other teams could not run up the gut.

Now what do I do with Barwin? How about a 3-4 on passing downs? Smith-Okoye-Williams in front of Barwin-Cushing-Ryans-Graham. Bring the chaos, flood the gaps BTW not a bad idea for a base defense if you upgrade the NT, IMO.

2nd round be back to the teams idea of BPA, I like a handful of guys at 50.

Roy P 02-26-2010 12:46 AM

First, let me just say that I am behind the idea of a 3-man front on 3rd down. The question becomes how aggressive I am to put a 4th LB on the field or that extra DB on the back end. This is why I have no problem taking Weatherspoon in the first round.

Secondly, I didn't have Graham as my pick, it was Wooten from NorthWestern in the 2nd round at #50. Wooten is bigger and I could use him like Antonio Smith and use him as a pass-rushing DT when I brought in Barwin as a pass-rushing DE specialist. Graham and Barwin are essentially the same player-type in my estimation. Obviously, Graham is probably better against the run as he's more polished.

Now, will I have a problem taking Graham? Nope. I like pass-rushers, especially if there isn't any quality DBs available. Other than Haden, um, I don't see any "1st round" CBs in this draft. Ergo, select where the talent is. I just wouldn't go that route in the first round.

painekiller 02-26-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 18515)
Secondly, I didn't have Graham as my pick, it was Wooten from NorthWestern in the 2nd round at #50. Wooten is bigger and I could use him like Antonio Smith and use him as a pass-rushing DT when I brought in Barwin as a pass-rushing DE specialist. Graham and Barwin are essentially the same player-type in my estimation. Obviously, Graham is probably better against the run as he's more polished.

After I posted this i saw my mistake of Graham v Wooten. Even though the player was wrong, I will credit you with the position as a position not to overlook.

If you have a pass rush like Indy, the DBs do not need to elite. You can play base defense most of the game. When we took Mario that was the goal, but IMO we have played him out of position his whole career. He is the prototypical LE (guy that plays over the usually slower RT). The signing of Smith doomed Mario to playing out of position.

As for the CBs in this draft, I concur that only Haden appears to be a true first rounder.
I would not be opposed to cutting Smith if we drafted a stud RDE, or we sign Julius Peppers.

NBT 02-26-2010 03:05 PM

I view Julius Peppers in the same scene as I do LT, how much gas does he have in that 30 year old tank? I would be happier with someone in the draft to be coached up. We aren't going to win the big one this year, just get into the playoffs, right?

Blitzwood 02-27-2010 10:36 PM

Using their draft I would go with:

20. Brian Price, DT, UCLA
51. Anthony Dixon, RB, Miss St
82. Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
119. Dekoda Watson, OLB, Florida State
152. Linval Joseph, DT, E.C.U.
177. Robert Johnson, FS, Utah
187. Reggie Stephens, OG, Iowa St.
213. *Leigh Tiffin or best kicker available*

painekiller 02-28-2010 08:53 AM

I think we all are going to be surprised when guys like Warren fly off the board in the 2nd, and Watson in the 3rd. The pro scouts have a whole different view on these guys then places like drafttek.

Saffold who drafttek has as a 2nd day guy, (the 4th round or high, old school) is looking more and more like a 2nd or early 3rd round guy.

As we get closer to the draft QBs and RBs tend to drop, this year I predict TEs dropping due to the depth at TE.

The CB position is always a position of need and there is a group of guys that ranked from the 2nd CB to about 10th that are pretty interchangeable. IMO we should try to grab two of those guys.

Roy P 02-28-2010 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18557)
I think we all are going to be surprised when guys like Warren fly off the board in the 2nd, and Watson in the 3rd. The pro scouts have a whole different view on these guys then places like drafttek.

Saffold who drafttek has as a 2nd day guy, (the 4th round or high, old school) is looking more and more like a 2nd or early 3rd round guy.

Warren could go anywhere between #50 - #94.

Drafttek has Saffold being drafted by the Steelers at #82 right in front of the Texans in the 3rd round.

The guys I see as being way underrated right now are OG John Jerry and RB Ben Tate and they are 4th round picks right now (#122 & #124).

Blitzwood 02-28-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18557)
I think we all are going to be surprised when guys like Warren fly off the board in the 2nd, and Watson in the 3rd.

I was conflicted about drafting Watson because we have Adibi on special teams waiting for the right opportunity and Marcus Freeman on the practice squad. But one thing I did notice last year was how OLB's fell in the draft.

While I agree with you that CB's is always a position of need and the 2nd and 10th are pretty interchangeable, this is a pretty deep class of CB's and we should find a serviceable one in the third. That definitely wasn't the case last year when the talent fell off rather quickly after the forth or fifth CB taken.

This draft also seems to be heavy on DE's, as well.

painekiller 02-28-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 18560)
I was conflicted about drafting Watson because we have Adibi on special teams waiting for the right opportunity and Marcus Freeman on the practice squad. But one thing I did notice last year was how OLB's fell in the draft.

While I agree with you that CB's is always a position of need and the 2nd and 10th are pretty interchangeable, this is a pretty deep class of CB's and we should find a serviceable one in the third. That definitely wasn't the case last year when the talent fell off rather quickly after the forth or fifth CB taken.

This draft also seems to be heavy on DE's, as well.

I don't have a problem with Watson, I think he is underrated. He had a very solid Senior Bowl, and has been on my list of players to follow most of the season. I think he would be a solid WILL in the NFL. IMO Adibi needs a wakeup call and Watson would be that.

BTW I am interested in seeing Freeman and what he can do.

Lastly solid take on the CBs.

painekiller 03-02-2010 01:30 PM

DraftTek has a new mock dated 3/2. rev 20

20 Trent Williams Oklahoma OG
51 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
81 Anthony Dixon Mississippi State RBF
115 Willie Young DE43 North Carolina State
146 D'Anthony Smith DT43Louisiana Tech
177 Robert Johnson FS Utah
187 Naaman Roosevelt WRF Buffalo
211 Dorin Dickerson FB Pittsburgh

Mixed feeling on this draft. What the hey in the 1st Graham, Pouncey, Wilson, Mathews, Mays and Tate are still on the board. 2nd round steal IMO. Strange draft.

My take with the Combine behind us

20 Brandon Graham Michigan DE43
51 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
81 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
115 Mitch Petrus OG Arkansas
146 Charles Scott RBF LSU
177 Robert Johnson FS Utah
187 Lonyae Miller RBF Fresno State
211 Jeff Byers USC OG

painekiller 03-10-2010 12:07 PM

Drafttek weekly mock is up: #20 3/09/10

1 Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech RBF
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
3 Rob Gronkowski Arizona TE
4 Austen Lane Murray State DE
5 Myron Lewis Vanderbilt FS
6a Brandon Deaderick Alabama DT
6b Marshall Newhouse TCU OG
7 Jason Harmon Florida Atlantic FB


My cherry picks
BPA for Need
1 Mike Iupati Idaho OG
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
3 Joe McKnight RBC USC
4 Amari Spievey Iowa CB
5 Ted Larsen OC North Carolina State
6a Myron Rolle Florida State FS
6b Lonyae Miller Fresno State RB
7 Leigh Tiffin Alabama PK

BPA
1 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
3 J.D. Walton Baylor OG
4 Amari Spievey Iowa CB
5 Zane Beadles Utah OG
6a John Skelton Fordham QB
6b Lonyae Miller Fresno State RB
7 Van Eskridge East Carolina FS

Roy P 03-10-2010 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18805)
Drafttek weekly mock is up: #20 3/09/10

BPA
1 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri OLB43
2 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
3 J.D. Walton Baylor OG
4 Amari Spievey Iowa CB
5 Zane Beadles Utah OG
6a John Skelton Fordham QB
6b Lonyae Miller Fresno State RB
7 Van Eskridge East Carolina FS

1. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 325 5.17 Tennessee
2. CB Kyle Wilson 5'10" 185 4.42 Boise St
3. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
4. S Darrell Stuckey 5'11" 205 4.49 Kansas
5. LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
6a. DT Linval Joseph 6'6" 322 5.21 East Carolina
6b. OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
7. CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.

I almost drafted Lonyae Miller in the 7th round, but since I had Ben Tate, it seemed like too crowded in the backfield. I also have the belief that we can't have too many good corners until Fred Bennett or Antaun Molden show me something. Stuckey isn't the "cover" FS that I covet, but I just like the way he plays. I'm moving Chaney to the WILL. Getting Dan Williams improves the defense on all 3 levels.

painekiller 03-13-2010 04:54 PM

Trade down time
San Diego is looking for a RB and Jonathan Dwyer fits their system. We swap our #20 and 81 for their #28 and 60. This gives us 3 picks in the top 60 players.

Then in the 3rd you give a 2011 2nd round pick for #75

28 Dan Williams Tennessee DT43
51 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
60 Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
75 Tyson Alualu California DT43
115 Darrell Stuckey Kansas SS
146 Zane Beadles Utah OG
177 John Skelton Fordham QB
187 Marshall Newhouse TCU OG
211 Lonyae Miller RBF Fresno State

My DBs are better because I have William and Alualu, and my run defense just got better. No way Mathews last until 60 in the real draft, but he was available here, and we paired him with his old team mate Millers in the 7th. Stuckey is solid against the run and showed surprising speed, not a bad pick in the 4th.

I heard one of the players saying on the radio, not sure which one could have been Jacoby Jones, they thought DT was what the defense needed. They thought an inside push helped all the DBs and the LBs also.

I would be 100% behind this draft.

Roy P 03-13-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18848)
28 Dan Williams Tennessee DT43
51 Kyle Wilson Boise State CB
60 Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
75 Tyson Alualu California DT43
115 Darrell Stuckey Kansas SS
146 Zane Beadles Utah OG
177 John Skelton Fordham QB
187 Marshall Newhouse TCU OG
211 Lonyae Miller RBF Fresno State


I would be 100% behind this draft.

28.S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
51.RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
60.CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
75.DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
115.DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
146.LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
177.CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
187.OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
211.RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.

painekiller 03-13-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 18849)
28.S Earl Thomas 5'10" 195 4.44 Texas
51.RB Ryan Matthews 5'11" 220 4.45 Fresno St.
60.CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
75.DT Lamarr Houston 6'3" 305 4.88 Texas
115.DT Mike Neal 6'3" 294 4.89 Purdue
146.LB Jamar Chaney 6'1" 240 4.51 Mississippi St
177.CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.
187.OG Marshall Newhouse 6'3" 326 5.00 TCU
211.RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.

So you must have agreed with the trade down and then trade back into the 3rd using next years 2nd rounder?

Also you and I think Wilson and Matthews are 1 st rounders, but DraftTek still has them both in the 2nd, so I took them there.

Roy P 03-13-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18851)
So you must have agreed with the trade down and then trade back into the 3rd using next years 2nd rounder?

Also you and I think Wilson and Matthews are 1 st rounders, but DraftTek still has them both in the 2nd, so I took them there.

In the "Latest" revision C, Kyle Wilson is selected by the Lions at #34.

http://www.drafttek.com/WIFround22010.asp

Roy P 03-13-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18851)
So you must have agreed with the trade down and then trade back into the 3rd using next years 2nd rounder?

The revision also had the Texans drafting Earl Thomas #20, so not sure if he makes it to #28. Most likely, I would have drafted Kyle Wilson at #28 in the latest version. So, with that being said, I wouldn't trade back to #28 if Earl Thomas is sitting there. At least not that far down.

Would I trade up to the 3rd round this year for next year's 2nd, most likely. Especially, when I'm looking at 2nd round talent being available NOW.

painekiller 03-13-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 18853)
In the "Latest" revision C, Kyle Wilson is selected by the Lions at #34.

http://www.drafttek.com/WIFround22010.asp

They put up a new version while i was doing my mock, changes my play.

them:
20 Earl Thomas FS Texas
51 Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State
81 Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State
115 Austen Lane DE43 Murray State
146 Sergio Render OG Virginia Tech
177 Brandon DeaderickDT43 Alabama
187 David Gettis WRF Baylor
211 Jeron Mastrud TE Kansas State

Me
20 Earl Thomas FS Texas in the previous mock they had us taking Dwyer, with Thomas going #18. So I traded down. This draft has Dwyer going at 28. I would also consider Weatherspoon at this slot.
51 Ryan Mathews RBF Fresno State no brainer
# 71 Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest trade 2011 2nd
81 J.D. Walton OG/OC Baylor
115 Amari Spievey CB Iowa
146 John Skelton QB Fordham
177 Marshall Newhouse OG TCU
187 Earl Mitchell DT43 Arizona
211 Lonyae Miller RBF Fresno State

DB= Quin, Pollard, Thomas, ?Reeves/Molden/Bennett/Spievey
RB Slaton Mathews Foster Miller PS-Jeremiah Johnson
Future OL - Brown, Walton, Caldwell, Newhouse, Winston
QBs Schaub, Booty, Skelton

Blitzwood 03-14-2010 01:19 PM

OK, I'll play-

1. Ryan Mathews, RB (I honestly don't think he'll last until the 2nd)
2. Lamar Houston, DT (Probably the main reason Texas had the best run defense in the nation. Drafttek has him going in the 4th, which is absurd)
3. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, FS/CB (meet our new starting FS and KR, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWyHc-KGp6c somewhat unknown player with good skill set, benefited from a great combine)
4. Amari Spievey, CB (good value in the 4th)
5. Dennis Pitta, TE (with so much uncertainty at the position, Pitta brings sure hands and great route running)
6a. Marshall Newhouse, OL (adds depth to the offensive line)
6b. Freddie Barnes, WR (late round steal; had over 1700 yards last season)
7. Walter McFadden, CB (We finally say goodbye to Molden)

Roy P 03-14-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 18860)
OK, I'll play-

1. Ryan Mathews, RB (I honestly don't think he'll last until the 2nd)
2. Lamar Houston, DT (Probably the main reason Texas had the best run defense in the nation. Drafttek has him going in the 4th, which is absurd)
3. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, FS/CB (meet our new starting FS and KR, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWyHc-KGp6c somewhat unknown player with good skill set, benefited from a great combine)
4. Amari Spievey, CB (good value in the 4th)
5. Dennis Pitta, TE (with so much uncertainty at the position, Pitta brings sure hands and great route running)
6a. Marshall Newhouse, OL (adds depth to the offensive line)
6b. Freddie Barnes, WR (late round steal; had over 1700 yards last season)
7. Walter McFadden, CB (We finally say goodbye to Molden)

I don't know, Mathews may last because of the number of RBs in the draft that can produce. He may not last to #50 though, so I can see it if he's your "Only Guy" that you feel is head and shoulders above the rest.

Lamar is a 2nd or 3rd round guy, definitely not 4th round.

The small school, shoulder injured, hard to pronounce guy - is moving up my list. I haven't seen his medical records, but if his shoulder checks out, he'd be a nice consolation prize at FS.

Spievey is gaining momentum, probably a 3rd round guy at least.

I like Pitta the most out of all the TEs in the draft. The Colts will probably draft him.

Newhouse is like Lonyae Miller, much better than he is getting credit for in these mock drafts. That's why I keep drafting them this late. I'd love to make Newhouse our RG like Shawn Andrews did for the Eagles. That's just me though.

Freddie Barnes is going to be a good slot WR, probably better than David Anderson in 3 years. Just wonder if we take a WR in this draft. If so, Marcus Easely would be the guy I'd like from UConn.

Walter McFadden has skills, but is a project. Not bad for a 7th rounder.


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