Front Office/HC/OC/DC who do you want?
 

For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - Mike Tice Asst HC Jags
Asst HC offense - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL
OC - Kyle Shanahan Our current passing game with more of a power run added by Tice/Heck


DC - Bob Sutten Currently with the Jets as Asst HC LBs. He has 4-3 and 3-4 background


It just a thought. Give your reasons for your choices.

Come on guy....its week 4 of 17.

I for one am not ready to throw in the towel on these guys yet. It has been said over and over, but we are a couple of bonehead plays from easily being 2-1 (Jets was the exception, and TN should have been waaay less dramatic).

Tice was awful in Minnesota and is now with a crumbling Jags organization. I'm curious what you see in him.

Mike Tice? Seriously? Gosh no. He is a meathead.

Kyle is as good as gone. If Mike gets a gig (which he will) then he will go work for his dad.

Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren will be vying for the two open big jobs (Dallas and Washington).

I'll take Gary Kubiak and the hope that this team turns it around.

I'm OK with Kubiak if he'd just hire a top-notch DC and build with that foundation. If John Fox, Marvin Lewis or Dick Jauron get fired, I'd look at one of those guys as DC. Of course, this would have to be a forced move by McNair because, whether true or not, it doesn't appear that Kubiak wants someone in that role that is a threat to his security. I hope that's not the case because it would be pretty foolish considering you don't have much security if your team sucks. I just can't think of any other reason why he keeps hiring inexperienced DCs when it's been a glaring weakness since he's been here. And other than Mike Sherman, he's done the same thing with OCs... :mad:

I am not sure that Gary is threatened by other coaches. He hired Sherm, Rhodes, Gibbs sr. With that being said, if the defense sucks all year, then he may be "nudged" to make a change in the DC. If they improve, then I think Frank gets a reprive.

I do agree that if things are not improved on the D, then I would not mind seeing any of the individuals you mention, or Wade Phillips.

If things continue on the current path you still want Kubiak? Why? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Comparing Kubiak to Fisher is inaccurate due to the Oilers road show years with no home park, he held the Oilers together when they played in Memphis in front of nobody. Kubiak has a full stands of rabid fans, no comparison.

As for Tice, he is a teacher, I like teachers, he is from the Sid Gillman coaching tree, as is Kubiak. He would know our playbooks language. Both pluses in my book.


I have another name for HC that might garner some glances Jim Harbaugh, he is doing a solid job at Stanford, he was the QB coach of the Raiders when they went to the Super Bowl and they where running the WCO, they where a scoring machine.

If the elder Shanahan gets hired and wants the younger let him go.

I did not mention it earlier, but you must keep Matthews in some position.

IMO we are not going to hire Shanahan, I don't want him anyway. Cowher is not coming to Houston, Billick the offensive genius has had the worse offenses in the league. His DCs and Ray Lewis made him look successful.

I don't see any huge names coming to coach in Houston until we get better.

The problem with that list is Sherm was known to be short-term and pretty much a lock for the A&M position. Gibbs was nothing more than a OL coach when he was brought in. Rhodes, as I recall, came in with some medical issues and stated he did not want the stress and hours involved with being DC and only wanted to be a position coach. So, I don't think any of those guys would be considered threats to Kubiak's position as HC when they were brought in. If they can't turn it around in a week or two, I'd be begging Rhodes to take over the DC role for the rest of the year. As for Wade, I'm good with him as DC too.

Tice was terrible in Minnesota. If Kubiak is going, then he should be replaced by someone like a Bill Cowher. I doubt he would take the job though.

Mike Tice:

2001 MIN 0 - 1
2002 MIN 6 - 10
2003 MIN 9 - 7
2004 MIN 8 - 8
2005 MIN 9 - 7

Operating under "you are what your record says you are", that's kind of what we have now, isn't it?

Kubes has transformed the offense into one of the league's best. While the defense has been stagnant during his tenure, I've seen the effort being made to improve it and understand why it was assembled the way it was. When some of the draft picks and FA's don't work out, then you get the limboland like we have now. Still, despite what the stats say, this year's defense has some positive things going on that I haven't seen in years past....

Fisher did an admirable job of holding the Oilers-->Tennessee Oilers-->Titans together during his early years. Conversely, had he had a stadium full of rabid fans in a stable organization, he might not have been granted such a long leash and ended up in the scrap heap of mediocre coaches. We'll just never know.

As far as asst. coaches go, the Texans have on paper some of the league's best - Gibbs, Rhodes, Kollar... Some impressive resumes, there.... The thing about Kubes is that he's not threatened by any of these guys - he doesn't let his ego get in the way of the ultimate goal of making the team better... For every "1st timer", there's a veteran coach nearby..

I don't understand even fantasizing about coaching changes in September. That's like contemplating firing baseball managers in April.

So Kubes should get an extension now and fired in January?:)

I always love these type of "what if" scenarios. So, let me try to get some names down on paper.

GM - Howie Roseman Currently VP player personnel
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...seman_h_1.html

HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...nhinweg_1.html

OC - John Matsko Currently Ravens OL coach
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...hn_Matsko.aspx

DC - Dennis Thurman Currently Jets Defensive Backs coach
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coac...dennis-thurman

This combo would create an attacking WCO that would utilize Slaton like Westbrook and create confusion and turnovers on defense. What's not to like?

Well, if the quarterbacks are on a pitch count, most definitely. :p

After mulling it over, I've changed my mind about the OC. I want to keep the WCO and the terminology we already have. So, in order to keep Marty and his OC from butting heads, I'm going to go with another WCO guy. He's already been an OC in the league too.

OC - Tom Clements Currently Packers QB coach
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/clements_tom/

Before coming to Green Bay, Clements spent two seasons (2004-05) as offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. In 2004, the Bills' offense increased its points output by 152 and became only the ninth team in NFL history to score more than 30 points in six straight games. In addition, Buffalo reduced its number of sacks allowed from 51 to 38, fewest by a Bills team since 1999.

On an individual level, Clements' offense was highlighted by RB Willis McGahee, who became the fifth running back in Bills history to register back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, covering each year of Clements' tenure. In addition, quarterback Kelly Holcomb set a club record in 2005 with a 67.39 completion percentage, surpassing Jim Kelly's 1991 mark, 64.14 percent.

I had forgotten about Morninghinweg, nice one.

I'm back to we need new leadership. Kubiak and his scheme is .500 ball.

I'm done with him, and you cannot sell me a Kubiak coached team next season.

As long as we can get some Philly folks, I'd be happy. Perhaps we would get some bigger O-Linemen and pass the ball and be happy. Maybe the D would actually create some pressure on the QB.

I'm not real high on Philly. They have been above average for a decade and have never won anything. They have a one dimensional offense that doesn't run the ball and their defense got shredded by the only decent offense it has faced this year.

Who do you people suggest?

That is the HC calling the plays. Once he passed off the play calling last season they won 6 in arow with a balanced attach. Laugh if you want
but Mornhinweg has an excellent resume.

They few guys I liked where hired in the last the off season. Rex Ryan was my 1st choice. Jim Schwartz was my 2nd choice. And Mike Singletary was my 3rd choice. I also like Mike Nolan and he can be had.

Now I am open, unless Jeff Fisher becomes available.

I hear Tom Cable will be available.

Mornhinweg can have the best resume in the world, but all fans will remember is his failed tenure with the lowly Lions. If this team hires him it will prove to me McNair has no clue at all and I'll bet season ticket sales will go into the toilet. If they want to raid the Eagles for some of their front office people, I'm good with that as they've shown they know how to run a franchise with an eye on fiscal responsibility.

Nope. He's going to be coaching a team that wears striped britches. And I'm not talking about today's Broncos.

Give a name or two that you think can be sold to the fans. And remember that is what Capers was considered.

IMO the big named guys are not coming to Houston.

GM - Howie Roseman Currently VP player personnel
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...seman_h_1.html

HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ea...nhinweg_1.html

OC - Tom Clements Currently Packers QB coach
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/clements_tom/

DC - Dennis Thurman Currently Jets Defensive Backs coach
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coac...dennis-thurman


I think I put this somewhere. I'm not married to Thurman at the DC. I'd be more than happy to get someone on Jim Johnson's coaching tree like Rory Segrest or Bill Shuey. Before we hired Frank Bush, I was hopeful we'd at least interview Sean McDermott (who has taken over since JJ's death for the Eagles).

The fans won't care if he's not an Aggie or from Texas or coached the Lions, when this team finally has MORE wins than losses.

McNair would prove that he wants this team to get better. Once the Texans make the playoffs, we won't be able to buy season tickets at face value.

What does Aggie or Texas have to do with anything? You may think he's fantastic, but I'll guarantee you what most fans will see is 'Marty Mornhinweg, ex-coach fired by one of the worst franchises ever'. He may turn out great, but fans are not going to like it and it will show at the gate. That's all I'm saying.

Some names I want to hear some input on .

Jim Harbaugh, former QB coach of the Raiders, current HC of Stanford.

An old name not mentioned recently, Steve Mariucci. I know he was another Lions bust, but was it the coaches or the GM and lack of talent?

Mike Heimerdinger is another WCO general who has had mixed success. A former roommate of Shanahan's.

Brian Schottenheimer, Marty's son, is the current Jets OC. He is having some success.

Old School, Dan Henning currently the OC with the Dolphins.

I don't think it has to be a big named guy, but I do think they'd have a hard sell with Mornhinweg considering his head coaching history. It would not create excitment and I think it'd be a downer to most. The thought would be "Well, he failed miserably in Detroit and now we hire him?". Like I said, you and Roy may love him and he may be great, but I don't think most fans would buy it. And I don't think McNair would want to do that considering how awful this franchise has been. Just my opinion...

If you want me to throw out big name coaches, then I'll go with Holmgren or Gruden. Not that I neccessarily want either of them (although I'd probably be fine with either). I just think those are two big name guys who would come here for the right offer. No way Cowher comes here and no way we hire Shanahan after Kubiak.

I am going out on a limb here and saying what about this lineup?

GM Ron Hughes current Head of College scouting for the steelers.
HC Dick LeBeau steelers DC
OC Ken Anderson current QB coach steelers
DC Ray Horton current DB coach steelers.

That not's going to happen.

And I do not see any reason for Holmgren to come out of retirement for the Houston Texans.

And I think Gruden is a joke of a HC. I do not think he wins without Kiffen as DC.

So it's either another young guy with no experience or a recycled loser.

As an alternative to Gruden give me Mariucci, and I might be interested.

IMO Marty is just another name on the list. He has a good resume. But he is not my front runner.

I have not decided who that is, as mentioned my 3 hot names from before have all been hired in the last 12 months as new HC. (Ryan, Schwartz and Singletary)

I am thinking Brian Schottenheimer, Mike Nolan, and Dan Henning are the top of my list, but it can and will change.

I think Holmgren would come here for the right offer. This team is not that bad personnel wise. If he had control of the roster and the money was right, I could see him coming here. I'm not a big fan of Gruden either. I'm just saying that he'd probably come here if the offer was right. Mariucci seems really comfortable with his NFLN gig. I don't get the feeling he's interested in coaching or feels he has more to prove (like Gruden/Shanahan, etc.). I don't know... I think I need to let the season play out a bit before analyzing who would be good candidates. An assistant or two might emerge similar to Haley last year. Man, this is so frustrating!!

Name guys will go wherever they can get paid. The current trend is to hire young guys for low salaries. Nobody is knocking down the door for cower, holmgren, shanahan, etc...

I don't know if I want one of those guys, but they could be had if McNair opens the wallet.

Could McNair coax Dungy out of retirement? I hope all of this talk turns out to be premature as I desperately want to see Kubiak and these Texans succeed, but another 8-8 means he should go.

I want Chucky

I don't. Unless you think we should draft Tebow and run the Wildcat 75% of the time.

That was one of the selling points on deciding on Kubiak. He had a tie to the area. The same thought process would have had the Texans draft VY instead of Mario, by the way.

The "fans" will like having a winning team on the field. That will show at the gate.