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painekiller 03-15-2009 02:36 AM

Visits
 
I admit I stole this list from a post on TT.com. JWarren14 posted this list from Scouts inc.

William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State)
Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States)
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee)
Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)
Larry English (LB/DE UNI)
Jason Watkins (OL, Florida)
Jaimie Thomas (OL, Maryland)
Quan Cosby (WR, Texas)
Louis Murphy (WR, Florida)
Juaquin Iglesias (WR, Oklahoma)
Derrick Williams (WR, Penn State)
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State


If you can add to this please do.

popanot 03-15-2009 09:01 AM

Are these vists at the combine or scheduled personal vists?

painekiller 03-15-2009 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 9383)
Are these vists at the combine or scheduled personal vists?

The post only said they had been contacted by the Texans. Some of these are going to be smoke screens, and some might be legit interest on the Texans part.

I do not subscribe to Scout's Inc, so someone here who does might be able to answer popanot's question better. Help please?

popanot 03-15-2009 01:05 PM

I doubt this list is all inclusive, but nonetheless, I'm surprised Cushing isn't on it. Smoke screen or no interest??? Hmmm....

nunusguy 03-15-2009 01:29 PM

Good stuff PK ! But it leaves a lot to the imagination, but that 's part of the fun I guess, trying to speculate what this might mean ? For example, quckly browsing the list I count more WRs than any other position ? I dunno what that's suppose to mean since I tend to think of it as our strongest position on either side of the ball ?
Kinda along these same lines, I've yet to see the Texans mentioned as being present at any of the Pro-Days ?

painekiller 03-15-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 9387)
Good stuff PK ! But it leaves a lot to the imagination, but that 's part of the fun I guess, trying to speculate what this might mean ? For example, quckly browsing the list I count more WRs than any other position ? I dunno what that's suppose to mean since I tend to think of it as our strongest position on either side of the ball ?
Kinda along these same lines, I've yet to see the Texans mentioned as being present at any of the Pro-Days ?


WR/PR could mean Jacoby Jones is on a short rope.

Mike 03-15-2009 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 9386)
I doubt this list is all inclusive, but nonetheless, I'm surprised Cushing isn't on it. Smoke screen or no interest??? Hmmm....

This regime of Smith and Kubiak play it much closer to the vest than Charlie ever did.

Charlie loved to leak stuff to McClain and Little Dickie off the record. LD now has to work for a story and instead chooses to preach his brand of sanctimonious crapola.

NBT 03-15-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9388)
WR/PR could mean Jacoby Jones is on a short rope.

I thought that when we met David Anderson's contract. I would think they are seriously investigating anybody else's interest in JJ. Draft Day Trade........?

kravix 03-15-2009 07:50 PM

4CB and 6 WR?

I think that Kubiak and Smith use the combine interviews as much as a smoke screen as using it to get more of a personal understnading of guys that will be depth/ST players and players with possible personality conflicts.

jppaul 03-15-2009 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9385)
The post only said they had been contacted by the Texans. Some of these are going to be smoke screens, and some might be legit interest on the Texans part.

I do not subscribe to Scout's Inc, so someone here who does might be able to answer popanot's question better. Help please?

Scouts Inc. is espn's scouting division. Scout.com is someone else, sorry no help here

jppaul 03-15-2009 08:13 PM

On that list, I see:

William Moore (S, Mizzou): Low first high second round safety, maybe a target with the 2nd pick, but I don't think first.
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma): Weakside LB, maybe a target in the later rounds, 5?
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama): 2nd round safety
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest): 4th rounder safety?
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State): 1st round CB maybe a safety for us
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois): 1st round CB, again maybe being looked at as a safety, or he could be looked at as a corner, maybe more so than Jenkins
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State):Corner depth possible safety transition player, 5th round
Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States): Corner Depth, maybe 4th rounder
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee): Late first, or second round DE
Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati): 2nd round versatility prospect
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State): First round DE
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut): Second round DE, OLB, pass rush specalist
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss): MLB or WLB 3rd rounder
Clay Matthews (LB, USC): First round OLB with pass rush skills
Larry English (LB/DE UNI): Late first or second round pass rush specalist or OLB
Jason Watkins (OL, Florida): 5th or 6th round swing tackle
Jaimie Thomas (OL, Maryland): 7th round guard
Quan Cosby (WR, Texas): 4th round WR/KR
Louis Murphy (WR, Florida): 3rd round WR
Juaquin Iglesias (WR, Oklahoma): 3rd round WR
Derrick Williams (WR, Penn State): 2nd or 3rd round WR
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou): 1st round WR
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina): 2nd round TE

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State

Roy P 03-15-2009 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9382)
I admit I stole this list

William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)

Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State


If you can add to this please do.

Just happy to see so many of My Guys on the list. Probably just smoke screens.

jppaul 03-16-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9399)
Just happy to see so many of My Guys on the list. Probably just smoke screens.

I don't know, those are all interesting. Even Jared Cook could be picked if we don't keep OD. Maclin if he falls to 15, which I doubt, would be an exceptional value.

kRocket 03-16-2009 04:58 PM

Interesting that the only two interior OL players are very late round choices and NO DT's are present on the list! That would indicate Gibbs is happy with what we have or there is a real defensive need, but they like Okam, Robinson, and Okoye as is. Curious!

BigBull 03-17-2009 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jppaul (Post 9407)
I don't know, those are all interesting. Even Jared Cook could be picked if we don't keep OD. Maclin if he falls to 15, which I doubt, would be an exceptional value.

I think even if he falls the Texans need to just say no to fast wrs that can burn but just aren't that good at actually catching the ball. They already have one of them on the team.

kravix 03-17-2009 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBull (Post 9421)
I think even if he falls the Texans need to just say no to fast wrs that can burn but just aren't that good at actually catching the ball. They already have one of them on the team.

And he can only do that when he isnt doing the electric slide.

Keith 03-17-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9399)
Probably just smoke screens.

Unless I'm mistaken, teams (outside of their division or conference) sometimes get into small groups or pairs and pool interview notes in part because it is too hard to get to everyone. As such, reading too much into these reports of visits is a bit of a fool's errand imo. For all we know, the Texans are talking to a bunch of WRs for the Cowboys or Bucs while taking info from the same on LBs and safeties.

Anyone remember that story of when the Broncos drafted Cutler? (Put recent news aside for a moment.) Cutler never once talked to the team before the draft... and that was their first round pick at quarterback.

Roy P 03-17-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBull (Post 9421)
I think even if he falls the Texans need to just say no to fast wrs that can burn but just aren't that good at actually catching the ball. They already have one of them on the team.

Are you talking about JMac or DHB? Jeremy Maclin is pretty good at actually catching the ball.

BigBull 03-17-2009 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9431)
Are you talking about JMac or DHB? Jeremy Maclin is pretty good at actually catching the ball.

That would be Maclin another JJ waiting to happen in my humble opinion.

popanot 03-18-2009 05:33 AM

I'd rather have Percy Harvin over Maclin. Harvin can do everything Maclin can do, but is big enough and has the muscle mass to fill in at RB in a pinch. Of course, you wouldn't want to play him there for an extended period, but he could do it if need be. You can't do that with Maclin. I'd use Harvin much the same way the Aint's use Bush. I see a lot of Reggie Bush/Steve Smith in Harvin, whereas, I see a lot of Desmond Howard/Eric Metcalf in Maclin. Not sure why that is, but I do.

jppaul 03-18-2009 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 9425)
Unless I'm mistaken, teams (outside of their division or conference) sometimes get into small groups or pairs and pool interview notes in part because it is too hard to get to everyone. As such, reading too much into these reports of visits is a bit of a fool's errand imo. For all we know, the Texans are talking to a bunch of WRs for the Cowboys or Bucs while taking info from the same on LBs and safeties.

Anyone remember that story of when the Broncos drafted Cutler? (Put recent news aside for a moment.) Cutler never once talked to the team before the draft... and that was their first round pick at quarterback.

Yeah they were shocked that he fell I think.

Bigtinylittle 03-18-2009 11:28 AM

Maybe that was their mistake. Maybe they SHOULD have talked to him!:)

painekiller 03-18-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle (Post 9441)
Maybe that was their mistake. Maybe they SHOULD have talked to him!:)

Their scouts had talked to him on campus during the college season. Shanahan loved the report on the kid and his combine work out at the combine made Shanahan salivate. He did not let any one know his desire, but Shanahan had Cutler targeted prior to draft day. He knew he was going to trade up for the kid, only he did not let any one else know that.

If you read about Shanahan and Gruden, they are good friend and they both tend to like the same players. IMO Shanahan was worried Gruden would try to leapfrog him to get Cutler had he been aware of the interest. Plus Shanahan is known for keeping his cards close to the vest.

His actions where pretty much in line with his character.

jppaul 03-27-2009 11:50 AM

Andre Brown is coming to town per pft.

jppaul 03-27-2009 08:21 PM

and Greg Toler from St. Paul

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...n-nfl-sleeper/

Roy P 03-27-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jppaul (Post 9662)

Charlie Casserly mentioned him as a sleeper on Path to the Draft.

I'm warming up to Norfolk State's Don Carey, myself. He looked pretty decent at the Shriner Game.

jppaul 03-27-2009 11:18 PM

Haven't compared to see how many of these players the Texans have been mentioned as having an interest in, but New Era Scouting runs a team interest page

Houston Texans

Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut FI
Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State I
Nic Harris, S/LB, Oklahoma I
Clay Matthews, OLB, USC I
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia I
William Moore, FS, Missouri I
Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon State I
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest I
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma I
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State I

texan 03-28-2009 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jppaul (Post 9654)
Andre Brown is coming to town per pft.

Good news, I think he's my favorite of the 3rd/4th round backs.

Roy P 03-28-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texan (Post 9673)
Good news, I think he's my favorite of the 3rd/4th round backs.

I'm hopeful that they take a look at Rashad Jennings and Cedric Peerman too.

jppaul 03-28-2009 09:09 PM

Add E.J. Biggers, a cb snubbed by the combine who blazed a 4.35 at Western Michigan's Pro Day http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/...into-big-buzz/

Roy P 03-29-2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9674)
I'm hopeful that they take a look at Rashad Jennings and Cedric Peerman too.

On second thought, we really need to take a look at Javarris Williams. I'm not quite sure why this guy isn't getting more love from mock drafters.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1248564

He has the balance to push the opponent upon contact and flashes enough short area burst and acceleration to move the chains.

He excels in the classroom, graduating in just under four years and has made the Dean's List.

He likes to get the ball in pressure situations and when he stays low in his pads, he can get decent yardage between the tackles.

Williams has that ethic that never lets him get complacent with his ability. He studies films, spends extra hours in the training room and takes well to hard coaching. He is a leader-by-example type, but will not hesitate to get vocal with a teammate not performing to standards. He practices as hard as he plays and is very accountable.

Williams' low center of gravity and strong lower base lets him break tackles or drag defenders for extra yardage. He shows good forward lean and it is rare for an opponent to stuff him behind the line of scrimmage (only lost 5.5 percent of the yardage he attempted to gain during his career, 253 lost/4,329 gained). He is stiff in his hips when redirecting, but keeps his feet and shoulders square to push the pile. He has the natural knee bend to sink and uncoil, doing a good job in maintaining body control.

Williams is an effective downhill runner with the balance and leg drive to break tackles. He doesn't show good hip wiggle, but does have a feel for the cutback lanes. He runs hard, giving a solid effort to move through the trash. With his ability to stay at a low pad level, he can run through defenders on initial contact. He runs with good body lean and works to finish while maintaining balance. He has a good feel for reading his blockers and will get the hard yards up the middle when he keeps his shoulders squared.

He has good one-cut agility and the body control to adjust on the move, along with valid vision and instincts. With his low center of gravity, he is better off taking the ball up the gut rather than try to generate a second gear needed to elude and take the ball to the house on the outside.

painekiller 03-29-2009 01:09 AM

William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State)
Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States)
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee)
Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)
Larry English (LB/DE UNI)
Jason Watkins (OL, Florida)
Jaimie Thomas (OL, Maryland)
Quan Cosby (WR, Texas)
Louis Murphy (WR, Florida)
Juaquin Iglesias (WR, Oklahoma)
Derrick Williams (WR, Penn State)
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State


Updated to the list
E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
Greg Tolar CB St. Paul’s
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia I

Roy P 03-29-2009 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9687)
William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State)

Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)

Larry English (LB/DE UNI)
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State

E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
Greg Tolar CB St. Paul’s
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia I

I find it interesting that we've talked to a couple of my top guys in hopes that they'll be available.

McClain reports we'll be drafting an OLB and a DB in the 1st 2 rounds and a RB in the 3rd. It's starting to look like Andre Brown may be a 2nd round pick, so there may be some shuffling that needs to take place. Maybe Keenan Lewis in the 3rd if Brown is the 2nd round pick.

I'm also noticing a lot of CBs who aren't considered 1st day prospects are bing inspected.

jppaul 03-30-2009 01:30 PM

This will make some people happy, we are bringing Johnny Knox in for a visit:

http://www.kffl.com/team/18/nfl

painekiller 03-30-2009 04:49 PM

William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State)
Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States)
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee)
Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)
Larry English (LB/DE UNI)
Jason Watkins (OL, Florida)
Jaimie Thomas (OL, Maryland)
Quan Cosby (WR, Texas)
Louis Murphy (WR, Florida)
Juaquin Iglesias (WR, Oklahoma)
Derrick Williams (WR, Penn State)
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State


Updated to the list
E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
Greg Tolar CB St. Paul’s
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian ( thanks jp)

jppaul 03-30-2009 05:22 PM

Welcome, pk.

TexanJedi 03-30-2009 08:23 PM

From looking at that list can we nail down the positions the Texans are targeting - LB, S, CB, DE, WR, OL, RB, and maybe TE? We have 8 picks, I think.

Roy P 03-30-2009 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanJedi (Post 9743)
From looking at that list can we nail down the positions the Texans are targeting - LB, S, CB, DE, WR, OL, RB, and maybe TE? We have 8 picks, I think.

Jason Watkins is the OL?

Why not a single DT? I suppose we already have Frank Okam and Shaun Cody.

Luckily we are looking for a WR to replace Jacoby Jones who replaced the last pain in my ass, Jerome Mathis.

Can anybody name a really good TE who can run block? That's what I thought. Try John Phillips from UVA. Think we have any scouts at his games?

I would suppose that the Texans are eyeing him to be the next Mark Bruener.

painekiller 03-31-2009 02:42 AM

William Moore (S, Mizzou)
Nic Harris (S/LB, Oklahoma)
Rashad Johnson (S, Alabama)
Chip Vaughn (S, Wake Forest)
Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio State)
Vontae Davis (CB, Illinois)
Keenan Lewis (CB, Oregon State)
Coye Francies (CB, San Jose States)
Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee)
Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati)
Everette Brown (DE, Florida State)
Cody Brown (DE, Connecticut)
Gerald McGrath (LB, Southern Miss)
Clay Matthews (LB, USC)
Larry English (LB/DE UNI)
Jason Watkins (OL, Florida)
Jaimie Thomas (OL, Maryland)
Quan Cosby (WR, Texas)
Louis Murphy (WR, Florida)
Juaquin Iglesias (WR, Oklahoma)
Derrick Williams (WR, Penn State)
Jeremy Maclin (WR, Mizzou)
Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)

Also rumored to have visited the Texans at the Combine where
Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU
Andre Brown, RB, NC State


Schedule Visits W/Texans (only guys not already mentioned)

E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
Greg Tolar CB St. Paul’s
Mohammed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian
Jamaal Westerman DE/LB Rutgers
Tony Carter CB Florida State

Keith 03-31-2009 04:41 PM

Been kinda sad for being a wet blanket on this thread earlier and didn't want to post this, but ah hell, here I go. From Kuharksy's ESPN.com AFC South blog:

Quote:

Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to think a team is going to take a guy just because they have him to town.

So, I will not generally use this space to spend much time telling you John Doe was in Houston to meet with the Texans because:
  • For every John Doe I learn about, there could be three others I don't hear about and naming a small percentage of the guys can serve to be misleading. I know the Titans announce their visitors in a couple of big lists and we will share something that comes out like that, still offering a disclaimer. But what if the agent for Player B advertises the stops his guy makes and the agent for Player B does not? The guy with the talkative agent is no more likely to get drafted by a particular team than the one with quiet representation.
  • The Texans may be meeting with Doe to finish crossing them off their list because of his balky knee/ankle/attitude/arrest history.
  • The Texans are probably like most teams in that they draft plenty of guys they had multiple meetings with and plenty of guys they've hardly talked to. On draft day, lot of guys say, "Yeah, I knew the Texans were interested in me way back at the Senior Bowl" while others say "Never did I imagine it would be Houston; the Texans aren't one of the teams I've spoken to, ever."



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