[chron.com] Rosenfels "Near Deal" to Vikings [Trade Finalized]
 

Sage to Vikings!- per John mcClain
 

I don't have the link, so here's the paraphrase:

Texans have nearly finalized a deal sending Sage to Minnesota for a draft pick.

Oh, and according to guys at texanstalk.com, there was a radio report that Weaver has been cut.

Here's Toro's reaction to the news:

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I thought we should have taken the third last year, if there was ever really a third offer. I'm surprised that we can get a fourth for him. There's always veteran QB's around to serve as a back-up. I'll be ecstatic adding another pick in the first four rounds.

Me too.

Sage built up a lot of value beating crappy teams. I'm glad the Vikings are naive enough to take a chance on him.

While I would like that 3rd, I will be 100% happy if they can get a 4th for him now. Only one year left on his contract, and everyone knows he will be leaving the Texans after this season anyway. Take that 4th (can anyone say running back here, maybe another safety?) and pick up one of the available QBs on the market as your backup.

Good luck to Sage. I am happy to see him get his shot and they have a good team in Minnesota. A 4th rounder is pretty good all things considered.

In theory, a third round pick is better than fourth rounder.

I would rather get a fourth though because the Texans will get all night to decide which player they want that was passed up the day before when the feeding frenzy was taking place. Many good players are picked up in the first round of Day 2.

And let's face it, if we were getting Rosenflauggin after what we saw last year would you be happy giving away a fourth? IMO, if last year is an indicator of future performance, he's not worth more than a fifth.

Day 1 is only the first two rounds now. Round 3 starts day 2

I just hope they complete it before the Vikes come to their senses.:D

Rumors Rumors Rumors...

If it's true I think I might make that trade. But it's a risky move because Schaub could easily go down.

From PFT:

ROSENFELS-TO-VIKES COMING TO FRUITION?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m.
Last year, the Minnesota Vikings nearly swung a deal for Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels.

As rumors/reports had it, the Texans wanted a second-round pick, and the Vikes were willing to part only with a third-rounder.

This time around, the deal reportedly is close to happening, for a fourth-round selection.

The move would likely take the Vikings out of the running for a veteran quarterback in free agency, and it definitely would slam the door on speculation linking Matt Cassel to the men in purple.

Rosenfels is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $1.35 million.

Any deal could not be finalized until the start of the new league year, on Friday, February 27.

I'm glad for Sage. Will give him a chance to rejuvinate his carreer.

It's rare teams make the playoffs if they lose their starter for an extended period. I know the Pats have struck gold twice, and there's plenty of QB's who got their shot and stuck after an injury. Sage has had several shots and never been able to stick. OK, he probably should have been given the reigns over Carr, but he was stuck behind plenty of crappy QB's in Miami too.

I'm just not buying the importance of a back-up QB as much any more. Teams that win with Back-up QB's do it for 2 reasons...good running game and a good defense. I think Sage will be fine in Minny for those two reasons.

Good deal if we can get a 4th simply because he's in his last year. He has been a great value for 3 years and if we can dump him for a pick now, he may go down as the most effective FA signing in Texans history (I'm saying more about our FA history than about Sage).

RosenCopter-Hindsight vision is always 20/20 isn't it ?

Thinking more about it, I don't know if a 4th makes sense. It seems to me that we could keep him and let him run out his contract. Then, next year, when he walks, we'd be in line for a compensatory pick for him. My guess is he'd likely get us at least a 5th round compensatory pick... I know that the compensatory picks are based on a net gain/loss in free agency but next season there are a lot of guys we're in jeopardy of losing:

Dunta
Pitts
OD?
RButler
Dryans
Cthompson
Dressens
DAnderson
WDemps
CBrown

and others... just something else to think about.

Did I miss where the Vikings hired Charlie Casserly?

I'm down for a fourth. After all, it's our best draft round (Domanick Davis, Glenn Earl, Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, etc.) :D

In hindsight a 3rd round pick last season would have been stellar, I'm still pleasantly surprised that there are any teams out there willing to give up a 4th round pick for Sage. Sage is a good backup, for the most part, but he is not the type of QB that can get you anywhere if you have to rely on him for a long period of time. For that reason, I think we would be almost as good relying on Brink or some other vet backup QB as we would sending Sage out to sling the ball around.

I heard in the news flash on 610, that the Vikes are reported to sign Sage to a 3 year $9MM extension. Didn't hear any specific terms, just raw numbers.

That's a pretty good deal for Sage and the Vikes. Now they have him for at least 3 years, Sage gets a chance to start and a little financial security. I do wonder why Minnesota did not make the deal last year, I know the Texans wanted a 2, but if you think a guy can help get your team over the top you have to get him. I'm not saying Sage is leading anyone to a Super Bowl, but he just needs to manage the game and they can rely on their running game and defense.

In response to a question I submitted on McClain's blog, he emailed me this:

paraphrasing: It's a done deal for a 4th rounder but can't be announced until midnight on Thursday.

The last thing you want is Sage Rosenfels managing a game for you. He is a turnover machine, but he offsets some of it by making plays and moving the ball up and down the field. If you ask him to be a game manager you handcuff the things he does well, while still probably not solving what his real problem is (forcing plays when the play breaks down to the instinct level).

I would still take him as a starter over Booty, Frerotte, or Jackson. Between their Def and running game Sage may be just good enough to take them to the level of QB play they need.

Perhaps with less pressure on him as a backup trying to prove himself, getting a starting gig upfront may settle him down some. Professional or no some people are just funny that way.

If this happens, every sack will make me cringe next year. But all the best to Sage. He was the second best QB this team has ever had.

Good-bye Sage, hello Stephen McGee.

Watch Sage go to Mini and light it up. :cool:

Don't discount John Parker, or Hunter Cantwell since he shorten his delivery.

Or it could even be Pat White, instant wildcat, and a decent QB to groom for further down the road.

I actually laughed out loud when I read your response. I think I'll put myself on probation now. Thanks for the correction.

McGee looks like a WC QB to me.
BTW Alex Brink is still on the roster. Does he have a future here, a real shot at being Schaubs primary backup ?

JPW or McGee, either way, I'd be satisfied. Wilson is more polished, while McGee looks like he could make a lot of improvement with more reps.

I can't stand McGee's attitude. A QB needs to be a cool head in a storm. Not a guy who stands up and wants to fight after getting sacked or who talks trash when down by a few TDs. Way too hotheaded to hand over an NFL offense to him.

Sounds like Phillip Rivers or Jay Cutler.

He's too pretty.
That boy had better not go on a fishing trip with Jon Voight & Burt down some river in 'Bama or GA.

Is that supposed to make it better?

Rivers is OK and Cutler is solid but do you think it is because of the Attitude problems or in spite of them?

It's not hindsight when you said it at the time, well before the Rosencopter. I underatood the arguments for having a solid back up QB you are comfortable with. I wasn't mad when it didn't happen, but I think if you have a guy who's been around as long as Rosey and you've got a pretty good idea he's never going to be more than a marginal starter/back up and you can get a third round pick for it you should probably do it. I'm acutally worried the Vikes back out when they start to see all te QB's they can get without giving up a pick. I think Sage will be a good fit there because....well all QB's look better with a good defense and a good running game.

the deal could always fall through, but they already know what Qbs are out there, so it isn't like they will all of the sudden realize that Jeff Garcia is available.

Glad you mentioned that. A lot of fans don't seem to understand that fact.

I don't think of it as an "Attitude problem" as much as it is cockiness. I'm not sure that you need it, but I don't think it's that big of a problem either.

On the old site, I went through all of the Texans drafts and what I would have liked to have seen the Franchise do. The first thing was to draft Julius Peppers instead of David Carr, and there are rumors now that Pepper may be on the Christmas wish list. Anyway, going through it all, I ended up drafting 2 QBs for the Texans.....Matt Schaub and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Well, Schaub was brought in when the Carr experiment was through and now John McClain is saying Fitz along with Orlovsky and Grossman are the probables to take over for Sage. Oh, the irony.