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Roy P 02-09-2009 01:52 PM

DraftTek Mock
 
Draft Tek update.

I have once again updated MY Guys and thought I'd run it through their simulator. While I obviously got players that I like, the overall substance of it kind of got me bummed. I was not able to get the Needs filled that I wanted to and on few occasions when I was ready to pounce on a player, a team snatched them before they fell to me. On a weird note, Corvey Irvin and John Parker Wilson were drafted by their Sim and my draft board.

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. RB Donald Brown
3. CB Domonique Johnson
4. TE Shawn Nelson
5. DT Corvey Irvin
6. QB John Parker Wilson
7. LB Lee Robinson

painekiller 02-09-2009 02:51 PM

Here's the link

Draft Tek has us taking

1st Tyson Jackson DE43 LSU -11 Reach
2nd Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma +5 Value
3rd Marcus Freeman OLB43 Ohio State +0 Value
4th DeAngelo Smith CB Cincinnati +6 Value
5th Corvey Irvin DT43 Georgia +0 Value
6th John Parker Wilson QB Alabama +12 Value
7th John Phillips TE Virginia -5 Reach

Interestingly no QBs or RBs taken before our 1st pick at 15. That should mean a trade down might be in play here.

nunusguy 02-09-2009 04:22 PM

9 Green Bay Peria Jerry DE34 Mississippi -9 Reach
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Huh ? Jerry is obviously wasted in a 3-4 !

idymoe 02-09-2009 04:58 PM

I hope Draftek is wrong in what is available in some rounds. Based on their consensus, I would pick:

1. Aaron Maybin
2. Paul Kruger
3. Andy Levitre
4. Nic Harris
5. Pat White
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson

I know White is really small, but he had great pocket presence, NFL arm and electrifying feet in the Senior Bowl. He really wants to play QB. He could eventually be our backup qb, after this next season. I think Kubiak could use him in spots as a change of pace. Again, if he could keep from getting killed, he is quite a weapon.

Maybin, I think, would be high risk, high reward. I think Kruger in the 2nd would be excellent.

Devin Moore is small, but with great speed. Could rotate in for Slaton some. I think Gartrell Johnson would be a good value pick at 7. A 7th round pick that could actuall see the field next year.

UFA - Jeremy Childs. I actually think Childs will be drafted after his combine. And I think he will run the 40 in the 4.4's. This guy catches every type of pass. He comes down with the ball with defenders hanging all over him. He runs very crisp routes and can run away from most db's. He caught 80+ passes in 07 and 70+ passes in 08.

NBT 02-09-2009 05:13 PM

Methinks maybin is a little light in the butt for a 4-3 DE. He would fit best as a LB in a 3-4 set IMO.

He also got somewhat exposed at the Combine where he didn't do too well on some of the drills.

dalemurphy 02-09-2009 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7949)
I hope Draftek is wrong in what is available in some rounds. Based on their consensus, I would pick:

1. Aaron Maybin
2. Paul Kruger
3. Andy Levitre
4. Nic Harris
5. Pat White
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson

I know White is really small, but he had great pocket presence, NFL arm and electrifying feet in the Senior Bowl. He really wants to play QB. He could eventually be our backup qb, after this next season. I think Kubiak could use him in spots as a change of pace. Again, if he could keep from getting killed, he is quite a weapon.

Maybin, I think, would be high risk, high reward. I think Kruger in the 2nd would be excellent.


If we got both Maybin and Kruger, I'd be ecstatic!- regardless of what happened the rest of the draft.

idymoe 02-09-2009 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 7951)
Methinks maybin is a little light in the butt for a 4-3 DE. He would fit best as a LB in a 3-4 set IMO.


Well, that was one of the rounds I hope Draftek is wrong about who is available for us.

dalemurphy 02-09-2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 7951)
Methinks maybin is a little light in the butt for a 4-3 DE. He would fit best as a LB in a 3-4 set IMO.

Do you ever watch the games when Indy plays us. Maybin is larger than Mathis, who plays on the strong side DE on passing downs. If they identify him as a very good pass rusher, I don't think the fact that his size might force him off the field during short yardage is an issue at all!

Roy P 02-09-2009 05:21 PM

In the 1st round, Maclin is currently #5 on my draft board, but I'll admit that I looked at my other options. I was looking at CBs and RBs (Moore, Smith, & Davis, along with McCoy & Moreno) and possibly DE Maybin. I figured Maclin was simply too good to pass up and did not want to reach for Maybin. They had us taking Jackson which in my estimation does nothing to improve the Pass Rush - he's just a cheaper Weaver.

In the 2nd round, it was apparent that the RBs slid because I was able to get Donald Brown (who is the last player I had with a 1st round grade) or Shonn Greene, my top 2nd round player. There was a part of me that wanted to just get DE Kruger or S Chung, but I went BPA again. I also considered another DT Marks or Hood, but hoped that they may fall to the 3rd.

In the 3rd round, I had my eye on FS Derek Pegues, but Dallas snatched him at #69. CB Coye Francies went right before I picked leaving Dominique Johnson. These guys are similar to Antwaun Molden and can provide some height to the secondary. With the uncertainty that is Dunta Robinson, I felt ok bringing in another CB thinking the day for Petey Faggins are numbered. Other considerations were TE Jared Cook for a Red Zone target, Cody Brown as a pass rushing SAM/DE combo, or S Rashad Johnson to play FS. D.Johnson is about the same size as R. Johnson and in theory could possibly play FS if he didn't pan out at CB. Having another 3rd round pick could be very nice so I could have gotten a couple of these guys.

The 4th round I could have gotten a pass rusher, DE Matt Shaugnessy who has had some injury history. When I saw him play, he doesn't get much push, so he needs to play with quickness. The Combine may show me that he has more burst or that he has lost a step because of injury. Anyway, Shawn Nelson impressed me at the Senior Bowl, and should provide a Red Zone target that we apparently need. I also could have gone RB here, but since I had Brown, I disregarded James Davis and Andre Brown. My third round pick made Keenan Lewis a non-factor. The other TE I could have gotten was Bear Pascoe, who may be a better blocker and could be Breuner's replacement, but I think Nelson has better hands and runs better routes.

The 5th round was when I started getting excited thinking Shaugnessy would slip. However, Washington got him two slots ahead of me. There was a thought that AQ Shipley could play C, but Philly took him at #133. When it was my turn to pick at #144, DT Corvey Irvin was my top rated player. He is like many of the 3-Tech DTs in this draft, but we could use him as a rotational guy. I'm also not sure what the future holds for Travis Johnson. Theoretically, Lawrence Sidbury Jr. could have been the guy here to give me a DE opposite of Mario, but I have him rated in the next round. Unfortunately, Sidbury and FS C.J. Spillman were drafted in the bottom of this round.

The 6th round was a pleasant surprise. I have John Parker Wilson as a 4th round prospect and he was the top guy on my board. 5th round prosects were still available (LB Lee Robinson, G Andy Kemp, SS Keith Fitzhugh, and DE Derek Walker), but I didn't think twice about JPW. Can we still get a 3rd round pick for Sage Rosencopter?

The 7th round saw some of My Guys coming off the board. OL Kemp and Greg Isadaner went early. I took my WILL LB Lee Robinson here. If I had been hell-bent on a pass rusher, DEs Derek Walker and Will Davis were available.

In FA I suppose I would be going after DE Will Davis and DE Pierre Walters.

idymoe 02-09-2009 06:53 PM

We all get do-overs after the combine, right? I know Maclin is the better prospect, I just don't like taking a wr that high. If the draft went the way Draftek predicts up til pick 15, then I would really like to see a trade down. It would be nice to get Maybin further down, plus an extra pick.

I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either. We got a steal in Slaton in the 3rd. I don't think any rb is going to put his butt on the bench. Unless Slaton gets a long term injury, there's no way a new rb could be as productive as Slaton last year. Paying Slaton less than a guy who won't be as productive as he was last year doesn't seem like a good move.

Roy P 02-09-2009 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7957)
I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either. We got a steal in Slaton in the 3rd. I don't think any rb is going to put his butt on the bench. Unless Slaton gets a long term injury, there's no way a new rb could be as productive as Slaton last year. Paying Slaton less than a guy who won't be as productive as he was last year doesn't seem like a good move.


Felix Jones/Marion Barber
Chris Johnson/LenDale White
Rashard Mendenhall/Willie Parker
Jonathan Stewart/DeAngelo Williams

These are just four off the top of my head from last year's draft. Jones and Mendenhall got hurt, but the Titans and Panthers did pretty well with 2 RBs.

I'm not saying that is my preferred strategy, but if the players line up on draft day so that the BPA is a RB, Steve Slaton wouldn't preclude me from drafting one early on. If that 5' 9" 203lbs fella gets hurt and we have to rely upon Ryan Moats or Gartrell Johnson, I won't be pre-purchasing my Texans playoff tickets.

edit-
The DraftTek mock had no RBs being drafted after us in the 3rd round. Rashard Jennings went early in the 3rd. The next RB to be selected is Andre Brown in the 4th at #121, so we could have drafted him at #108. Mayock says he should be a better Pro than a college player because he had 2 foot surgeries that prevented him from playing up to his potential.

painekiller 02-09-2009 09:25 PM

If the draft where to fall this way, I would be willing to trade out of the 1st round. I know this is not going to be a popular move, but it's one I am willing to do with this board.

So I am trading my #15 to NE for their #47 and #58 this year and their #1 next season. Why because there is not a single player I want to pay 1st round money to available when we select, and NE 1st round pick this year is not much better to me.

46 Donald Brown RBF Connecticut
47 Paul Kruger DE43 Utah
58 Tyrone McKenzie OLB43 South Florida
77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama
108 Cary Harris CB USC
144 Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE43 Richmond
175 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
206 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

And remember I get a 1st in 2010 from the Pats, someone like Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College might be the guy.

It's a something different.

Roy P 02-09-2009 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7957)
I just don't like taking a wr that high.

I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either.

Taking into considerations only the "needs" of the team, LB, FS, DE, DL, G/C, and RB later than 3rd round, I scrubbed my Draftboard. I took out all of the "fluff" in terms of positions that aren't seen as needs today. Generally, this is the reason GMs get fired, but for the sake of argument, I did it anyway. This is how that turned out....

1. DE/OLB Aaron Maybin
2. DE Paul Kruger
3. FS Rashad Johnson
4. RB James Davis
5. DT Corvey Irvin
6. OLB Lee Robinson
7. DT Darryl Richard

After taking Maybin in the 1st and having Kruger available in the 2nd, I figured maybe this is the guy I have my experiment with. The Giants tried Matthias Kiwanuka at SAM and DE, so I might give Maybin a shot. Kruger would then play all three downs and Mario would be moved over to DT on passing downs and nickle situations. That would give me a line of Kruger, Mario, Okoye, Maybin.

Anyway, Johnson gives me a Centerfielder that I've wanted since McCree left. Davis isn't a "big" back, but is insurance for Slaton and helps share the workload. Irvin is the same in the 5th round.

Interestingly, I drafted Lee Robinson a whole round earlier this time without gaining a backup QB. The new addition is Darryl Richard. That got me to thinking about Michael Johnson again. The Ga Tech DL had Vance Walker and Darryl Richard in the middle, which should have boosted MJ's production.

jppaul 02-09-2009 10:25 PM

1. Micheal Johnson
2. Darry Beckwith or Victor Harris
3. Rashad Johnson
4. Brandon Tate
5. Pat White
6. Graham Cano
7. Gartrell Johnson

idymoe 02-09-2009 10:35 PM

I thought Andre Brown looked pretty solid in the Senior Bowl. Like any player, he needs to be lucky and stay away from injuries.

I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.

painekiller 02-09-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7965)
I thought Andre Brown looked pretty solid in the Senior Bowl. Like any player, he needs to be lucky and stay away from injuries.

I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.

I like your Pat White idea, my problem is I do not see Kubiak as the type to be an innovator. Maybe young Shanny is. To get the most out of White you will need a coach who is outside the box.

Roy P 02-09-2009 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 7959)
I would be willing to trade out of the 1st round.

So I am trading my #15 to NE for their #47 and #58 this year and their #1 next season.

46 Donald Brown RBF Connecticut
47 Paul Kruger DE43 Utah
58 Tyrone McKenzie OLB43 South Florida
77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama

And remember I get a 1st in 2010 from the Pats, someone like Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College might be the guy.

That sounds pretty good to me. Who do you think NE wants at #15?

Getting those first 4 guys would be pretty good. Having NE's 1st in next year's draft might be something to use to trade up for Taylor Mays.

108 DT Vance Walker
144 OLB Victor Butler
175 QB John Parker Wilson
206 OL Robert Brewster

That might be a way I'd like the back end of the draft to look. McKenzie would be WILL and Butler the SAM. Brewster could be the OT that slides into the RG slot.

painekiller 02-09-2009 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 7961)
Taking into considerations only the "needs" of the team, LB, FS, DE, DL, G/C, and RB later than 3rd round,

Roy sorry to grab your post to quote, but what is the issue with everyone thinking we are set at RB? As Roy pointed out in another post, Slaton is 5'10 203. And the style of running he did for us last season points to a guy who will get hit a lot.

IMO we need to add at least 2 RBs in the draft, and possibly an UDFA for the PS. I want 3 RBs on the opening day roster that can all carry the ball. The main problem with my plan is the blitz pickups, but Slaton showed us last year a rookie can pick it up.

The RB position is a position of needed depth for every team in the NFL. The pounding is to great for any one guy to be the man 16 weeks of the season.

You add a stud to Slaton and then a specialty back (short yardage guy 3rd down type) or two later in the draft and then this team will finally have the type of backfield it has needed since day one.

Remember what happened in Denver last season, they lost 6 RBs and the HC was fired. You can never have enough RBs.

Roy P 02-09-2009 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7965)
I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.


The Bucs have a guy named Josh Johnson. I thought about bringing him in last year.

The Texans probably won't be taking that risk (White) as a QB. We haven't seen what kind of hands or route running White could have as a slot WR. So basically, he's a project that Kubiak doesn't have time for to have come to fruition.

painekiller 02-09-2009 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 7968)
That sounds pretty good to me. Who do you think NE wants at #15?

Why not the big DE from LSU? He would be the perfect 3-4 DE. Richard Seymour is not a spring chicken anymore.

Heck maybe they want Michael Johnson.

If I am going to play....

Roy P 02-09-2009 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 7969)
Roy sorry to grab your post to quote, but what is the issue with everyone thinking we are set at RB? As Roy pointed out in another post, Slaton is 5'10 203.

Dude,
I think you and I are on the same Donald Brown bandwagon. If we draft LeSean McCoy in the 1st round, I won't be too upset if Everette Brown and Aaron Curry are off the board. Brown, Greene, or possibly Jennings in the 2nd round would not get my feathers ruffled either. On the other hand, if we only come out of the draft/UDFAs with Gartrell Johnson added to the roster, I'll be a bit worried.

There may be some short yardage guys that have a little mass (larger than 215lbs) who could be added later on. However, I think the team could utilize another RB with some speed (who may be lighter than 215lbs). As you know, Jerious Norwood is my prototype #2 RB (or should I say 1b). A guy like Shonn Greene (if he were younger he'd be ranked higher) would be a "workhorse" that would allow Slaton to be the 3rd down back he was drafted to be.

painekiller 02-10-2009 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 7973)
Dude,
I think you and I are on the same Donald Brown bandwagon. If we draft LeSean McCoy in the 1st round, I won't be too upset if Everette Brown and Aaron Curry are off the board. Brown, Greene, or possibly Jennings in the 2nd round would not get my feathers ruffled either. On the other hand, if we only come out of the draft/UDFAs with Gartrell Johnson added to the roster, I'll be a bit worried.

There may be some short yardage guys that have a little mass (larger than 215lbs) who could be added later on. However, I think the team could utilize another RB with some speed (who may be lighter than 215lbs). As you know, Jerious Norwood is my prototype #2 RB (or should I say 1b). A guy like Shonn Greene (if he were younger he'd be ranked higher) would be a "workhorse" that would allow Slaton to be the 3rd down back he was drafted to be.

Heck I have been saying draft Brown in the 1st, so you know I like him. Jennings is the only other RB I like for day one.

You and I are on the same page with Greene, he is a 25 year old playing against college kids he should be tearing up. I do not see him running very well.

The kid from Pitt dances to much for me, so I do not see Kubiak jumping for him.


There are some very good late round RBs, and BTW as a UDFA to keep an eye out for is Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas. He will play anywhere the coach wants him to and should be a pretty good special teamer.

mussop 02-10-2009 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 7976)
Heck I have been saying draft Brown in the 1st, so you know I like him. Jennings is the only other RB I like for day one.

You and I are on the same page with Greene, he is a 25 year old playing against college kids he should be tearing up. I do not see him running very well.

The kid from Pitt dances to much for me, so I do not see Kubiak jumping for him.


There are some very good late round RBs, and BTW as a UDFA to keep an eye out for is Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas. He will play anywhere the coach wants him to and should be a pretty good special teamer.

Im another that has been pimpin Brown for awhile now. Love the way he runs. I have to dissagree with youre assesment of McCoy though. I watched Pitt as many times as I could (scouting McKillop). McCoy impressed me alot. Its not like Pitt had alot of weapons to take the some of the pressure off McCoy. Most teams loaded up to stop McCoy and he still rushed for 4.8 per and 21 TD's. He is perfect for our ZB system IMO. He is every bit the RB Slaton was coming out and more. He hits the hole faster and is a stronger runner up the middle. In fact I bet he turns out a better pro than Wells or Moreno. That is why he is the #1 RB on my board.

If we take McCoy or Maclin at 15 I wont be upset.

mussop 02-10-2009 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 7949)
I hope Draftek is wrong in what is available in some rounds. Based on their consensus, I would pick:

1. Aaron Maybin
2. Paul Kruger
3. Andy Levitre
4. Nic Harris
5. Pat White
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson

I know White is really small, but he had great pocket presence, NFL arm and electrifying feet in the Senior Bowl. He really wants to play QB. He could eventually be our backup qb, after this next season. I think Kubiak could use him in spots as a change of pace. Again, if he could keep from getting killed, he is quite a weapon.

Maybin, I think, would be high risk, high reward. I think Kruger in the 2nd would be excellent.

Devin Moore is small, but with great speed. Could rotate in for Slaton some. I think Gartrell Johnson would be a good value pick at 7. A 7th round pick that could actuall see the field next year.

UFA - Jeremy Childs. I actually think Childs will be drafted after his combine. And I think he will run the 40 in the 4.4's. This guy catches every type of pass. He comes down with the ball with defenders hanging all over him. He runs very crisp routes and can run away from most db's. He caught 80+ passes in 07 and 70+ passes in 08.

I really like that draft alot. If I were drafting my would go like this.

1. Jeremy Maclin WRF Missouri

All the impact D players are all gone so Im going BPA. Having that kind of speed opposite AJ is just too good to pass up. Lets see teams double AJ now.

2. Donald Brown RB Connecticut

This was a tough choice. Im very high on Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech. He is a playmaker at a position of need but Donald Brown will contribute more this year and Kubiack is in the win now or begone mode. Our offense depends on the run too much to go into the season without a real quality backup for the smallish Slaton.

3. Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose St

Finnally I go D. @ 6'6" 280 he squats 635 and deadlifts 655 and with a quick first step this guy could be a steal in the third round if coached up right.

4. Emanuel Cook SS South Carolina

I know we need a FS more but this guy is too good to pass up in the 4th round. He has been compared to Bob Sanders.

5. Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman

A project for sure but at 6'4" 328 and very athletic he is well worth a 5th round pick. Interesting side note, once pulled a man from a burning house.

6. Greg Isdaner OG West Virginia

Allready trained in the same ZB scheme we use and very good at it. Were vey lucky to get solid depth lioke this in the 6th round.

7. Gartrell Johnson RB Colorado State

Another late round value. Hey I know I already used one pick on the RB position but like I said earlier, our O depends on the run. If we cant run, we cant win. Example A: The 2008 Denver Broncos.

dalemurphy 02-10-2009 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 7976)
Heck I have been saying draft Brown in the 1st, so you know I like him. Jennings is the only other RB I like for day one.

You and I are on the same page with Greene, he is a 25 year old playing against college kids he should be tearing up. I do not see him running very well.

The kid from Pitt dances to much for me, so I do not see Kubiak jumping for him.


There are some very good late round RBs, and BTW as a UDFA to keep an eye out for is Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas. He will play anywhere the coach wants him to and should be a pretty good special teamer.


I think it's premature to assume that. First, Kubiak only needs to see that he has the physical ability and the willingness to be coached. His dancing may reflect a lot more on his situation. A good example of that is Deangelo Williams. He was considered a bit of a dancer in college and we still targeted him. Then, until last season, he was considered a dancer and a guy that wouldn't run inside. Clearly, the situation changed in Carolina and he became prolific between the tackles.

mussop 02-10-2009 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 7983)
I think it's premature to assume that. First, Kubiak only needs to see that he has the physical ability and the willingness to be coached. His dancing may reflect a lot more on his situation. A good example of that is Deangelo Williams. He was considered a bit of a dancer in college and we still targeted him. Then, until last season, he was considered a dancer and a guy that wouldn't run inside. Clearly, the situation changed in Carolina and he became prolific between the tackles.


That is a very good example.

idymoe 02-16-2009 06:57 PM

Drafttek has revised their mock, so here's a new Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford
2. Kruger
3. Levitre
4. Rashad Johnson
5. Victor Butler
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson


I don't think there is any chance that Stafford is there at 15, but if he is, I think take him or trade down with him.

Roy P 02-16-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 8129)
Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford



I don't think there is any chance that Stafford is there at 15, but if he is, I think take him or trade down with him.

That is a bold move.

Nconroe 02-16-2009 10:46 PM

Yeah, then we could trade both Schaub and Rosenfels for more draft picks. looking a lot better in 09 now.

idymoe 02-16-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 8131)
That is a bold move.



It's easy to be bold behind a keyboard.:D

Roy P 02-17-2009 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 8129)
Drafttek has revised their mock, so here's a new Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford
2. Kruger
3. Levitre
4. Rashad Johnson
5. Victor Butler
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson.

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. DE Paul Kruger
3. OLB Tyrone McKenzie
4. FS Rashad Johnson
5. QB John Parker Wilson
6. DT Darryl Richard
7. OG Greg Isdaner

FAs. RB P.J. Hill & Marlon Lucky
DE Will Davis, Stryker Sulak, Pierre Walters
DT Myron Pryor

Edited to reflect Richard in the 6th round.

idymoe 02-18-2009 10:47 AM

I would have taken Peerman, too, in the 6th, but Draftek had San Diego taking him in the 5th.

I wish I could find some footage on Devin Moore. The only thing I can find is a 90+ yd kickoff return for a td.

NBT 02-18-2009 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 7954)
Do you ever watch the games when Indy plays us. Maybin is larger than Mathis, who plays on the strong side DE on passing downs. If they identify him as a very good pass rusher, I don't think the fact that his size might force him off the field during short yardage is an issue at all!

Dale, we've bumped heads before on issues. We just don't see things the same way. But I will say that right now, as Drafts go, Kubiak and Smith are no Dungy and Polian!

Roy P 02-18-2009 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 8183)
I would have taken Peerman, too, in the 6th, but Draftek had San Diego taking him in the 5th.

Oops, I missed that. I guess I'd have to take DT Darryl Richard in the 5th round then. That means that Lucky and P.J. Hill would be that much more important in Free Agency after the draft.

dalemurphy 02-18-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 8184)
Dale, we've bumped heads before on issues. We just don't see things the same way. But I will say that right now, as Drafts go, Kubiak and Smith are no Dungy and Polian!


Perhaps Maybin won't be a good DE. I honestly don't know. What I do know, and what the Mathis example proves, is that a DE can be effective and weigh around 240 lbs. I just don't want players dismissed simply because of a three digit number. I would hope that our talent evaluaters and coaches take a broader perspective when shaping the team and don't have silly guidelines like weight and heighth minimums.

Roy P 02-18-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 8191)
Perhaps Maybin won't be a good DE.

I would hope that our talent evaluaters and coaches take a broader perspective when shaping the team and don't have silly guidelines like weight and heighth minimums.

Guidelines are simply there to be used as a reference. There are always exceptions to the rule, that doesn't make the rule a bad thing. Just something to keep in mind when looking at a player that doesn't fit the 'mold' that we've seen be successful before.

idymoe 02-21-2009 12:06 PM

Latest iteration as of 2/20.

1. Matt Stafford - I'll be glad when they make him unavailable at 15, so I can make a pick with a chance of being there.

2. Louis Delmas - Kruger is not available anymore. Put some fear in some wr's.

3. Andy Levitre

4. Andre Brown - Now available here.

5. Pat White - also consider Bear Pascoe and Cory Irvin

6. Devin Moore - Still looking for video - also consider Quinn Johnson FB LSU

7. Michael Bennett - Still like Gartrell Johnson, but got Andre Brown now.

Really heavy offensive draft. Will change as Draftek becomes more realistic.

idymoe 02-27-2009 12:06 PM

This is as of 2/27 when some scouts have given their post combine opinions.

1. Peria Jerry - Matt Staffard is still available, but I'm tired of this unrealistic pick.

2. Paul Kruger - Really hope this plays out

3. Andre Brown - So far, so good.

4. Mike Thomas - Roy's gotta like at least one of my picks.

4. Lawrence Sidbury - Pick from Minne

5. Bear Pascoe

6. Chris Clemons - FS - Good combine

7. Kaluka Maiava - Another linebacker from USC whose last name starts with M and ends with A.

This draft is pretty heavy on defense, but my favorite, so far.

painekiller 02-27-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 8811)
This is as of 2/27 when some scouts have given their post combine opinions.

1. Peria Jerry - Matt Staffard is still available, but I'm tired of this unrealistic pick.
...

This draft is pretty heavy on defense, but my favorite, so far.


Roy was talking about a scout who thought Jerry was missed cast as a DT, he was thinking you have Jerry lose some weight and play the DE. So this might not be as far fetched as it looks.

I agree the overall draft is digestible.

painekiller 02-27-2009 02:36 PM

Draft tek has us taking
Quote:

15 Aaron Maybin OLB43 Penn State
46 Max Unger OG Oregon
77 Mitch King DE43 Iowa
108 James Casey TE Rice
118 James Davis RBF Clemson
144 Christopher Owens CB San Jose St
175 Clinton McDonald DT43 Memphis State
204 Curtis Painter QB Purdue


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