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QB N 6
Graham Harrell Texas Tech

QB N 7
Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State

QB N 10
Nathan Brown Central Arkansas

QB S 10
Cullen Harper Clemson

QB S 14
John Parker Wilson Alabama

QB S 5
Pat White West Virginia

RB N 23
Kory Sheets Purdue

RB N 24
Jeremiah Johnson Oregon

RB N 37
Cedric Peerman Virginia

RB N 36
Eric Kettani Navy

RB S 22
James Davis Clemson

RB S 23
Rashad Jennings Liberty

RB S 24
Andre Brown North Carolina State

RB S 27
Arian Foster Tennessee

FB N 43
Tony Fiammetta Syracuse

FB S 45
Quinn Johnson LSU

WR N 1
Brooks Foster North Carolina

WR N 2
Derrick Williams Penn State

WR N 4
Brandon Gibson Washington State

WR N 9
Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma

WR N 11
Ramses Barden Cal Poly

WR N 80
Brian Robiskie Ohio State

WR S 1
Mo Massaquoi Georgia

WR S 4
Mike Thomas Arizona

WR S 6
Quan Cosby Texas

WR S 7
Patrick Turner Southern Califrnia

WR S 9
Mike Wallace Mississippi

WR S 11
Kenny McKinley South Carolina

TE N 82
Connor Barwin Cincinnati

TE N 85
John Phillips Virginia

TE N 87
Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma State

TE S 81
Shawn Nelson Southern Mississippi

TE S 83
Travis McCall Alabama

TE S 85
Anthony Hill North Carolina State

C N 51
Alex Mack California

C N 60
Max Unger Oregon

C N 72
Ryan Shuman Virginia Tech

C S 59
Antoine Caldwell Alabama

C S 60
Eric Wood Louisville

C S 63
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas

OG N 63
Kraig Urbik Wisconsin

OG N 66
Andy Levitre Oregon State

OG N 76
Trevor Canfield Cincinnati

OG S 71
Tyronne Green Auburn

OG S 75
Anthony Parker Tennessee

OG S 79
Herman Johnson LSU

OT N 64
William Beatty UConn

OT N 68
Xavier Fulton Illinois

OT N 79
Phil Loadholt Oklahoma

OT S 76
Troy Kropog Tulane

OT S 77
Jason Watkins Florida

OT S 74
Michael Oher Mississippi

DT N 90
B.J. Raji Boston College

DT N 92
Ron Brace Boston College

DT N 94
Ziggy Hood Missouri

DT S 75
Fili Moala Southern California

DT S 90
Corey Irvin Georgia

DT S 98
Peria Jerry Mississippi

DT S 99
Vance Walker Georgia Tech

DE/T N 81
Will Johnson Illinois

DE N 51
Larry English Northern Illinois

DE N 52
Cody Brown UConn

DE N 91
Tim Jamison Mchigan

DE/T N 97
Mitch King Iowa

DE S 84
Kyle Moore Southern California

DE S 91
Robert Ayers Tennessee

DE S 92
David Veikune Hawaii

DE S 95
Lawrence Sidbury Richmond

LB/DB N 5
Nik Harris Oklahoma

LB N 40
Scott McKillop Pittsburgh

LB N 50
Clint Sintim Virginia

LB N 54
Tyrone McKenzie South Florida

LB N 55
Marcus Feeman Ohio State

LB N 56
Zack Follett California

LB S 10
Brian Cushing Southern California

LB S 11
Ashlee Palmer Mississippi

LB/DE S 47
Clay Matthews Southern California

LB S 48
Darry Beckwith LSU

LB S 58
Rey Maualuga Southern California

LB S 59
Moise Fokou Maryland

CB N 1
Darius Butler UConn

CB N 4
Victor 'Macho' Harris Virginia Tech

CB N 6
DeAngelo Smith Cincinnati

CB N 16
Keenan Lewis Oregon State

CB N 17
Mike Mickens Cincinnati

CB S 1
Coye Francies San Jose State

CB S 2
Alphonso Smith Wake Forest

CB S 4
Ellis Langster West Virgina

CB S 16
Domonique Johnson Jackson State

CB S 6
Sherrod Martin Troy

S N 11
William Moore Missouri

S N 15
Patrick Chung Oregon

S N 25
Louis Delmas Western Michigan

S N 27
David Bruton Notre Dame

S S 3
Derek Pegues Mississippi State

S S 9
Chip Vaughn Wake Forest

S S 25
Michael Hamlin Clemson

S S 49
Rashad Johnson Alabama

P N 47
Kevin Huber Cincinnati

P S 15
Thomas Morsted SMU

PK N 35
Louie Sakoda Utah

PK S 40
Patrick McAfee West Virginia

LS N 57
Mark Estermeyer Pittsburgh

LS S 57
Jake Ingram Hawaii

Man I am excited, this is gonna be sweet. Unlike previous years though I am not sure I see a definitive top 10er. There are some candidates of course, with Malualaga, Oher and Raji, but not surefire top ten prospects.

I am pretty excited to watch the practices. They are airing (beginning with practice day 1 today) on the NFL Network. If you miss it, try to catch Path to the Draft for recaps. There is one on tonight at 7pm CT (with repeats at 11:30p and 9a the next morning).

Official Senior Bowl website: http://www.seniorbowl.com/

Well, Raji was an impressive big dude in the middle. I'd imagine some 3-4 team is going to like what he offers before #15.

I liked seeing DE/OLB Cody Brown getting in the backfield in the 11 on 11 drills. He also got swallowed a couple of times by Loadholt on the one on one.

DE Will Davis also made me happy.

Both Unger and Mack are pretty decent at C.

Ron Brace is a bull rusher, but I still need to see some more.

Ziggy Hood was doing his Freeny spin move on the interior.

I didn't see too much to comment upon about the Secondary or LBs.

Ditt o on the observations.

The hard part about watching the TV, was they are talking about helments, and Raji is going one on one with Mack. They missed it.

I do not care about the QBs, first off the guys they have in Mobile are not guys we will be considering, most sports fans only want to know about the QBs, so that is what they talk about. Chicks dig QBs.

We're in a minority at this site. We want to guess the teams UDFA signing in January.

Brace is a bull rusher and that is all he is. But he always seemed to be moving his man backwards. Remember his position, NT is about lower body strength, and he has that.

I have been in envy of Ziggy Hood, that man is special, and currently he is not a top pick, What if we wanted to take Raji in the 1st and Hood in the 3rd? That would give you some rotational possibilities at DTs that would challenge offenses. Raji/Okoye, Okoye/Hood, Okam/Raji. Pick your poison. Not what I am thinking will happen, but it does make me think ...

Where the LBs even there today?

Given the geographic drafting tendencies of Dale Strahm, the team's college scouting director, I think we can narrow down the list of players we should watch this week...

Seems safe to say a couple of these guys will be high on the team's draft boards very soon. :p

Originally Posted by mussop

QB S 14 John Parker Wilson Alabama
RB S 22 James Davis Clemson
RB S 23 Rashad Jennings Liberty
RB S 24 Andre Brown North Carolina State
WR N 1 Brooks Foster North Carolina
WR S 1 Mo Massaquoi Georgia
WR S 11 Kenny McKinley South Carolina
C S 59 Antoine Caldwell Alabama
DT S 90 Corey Irvin Georgia
DT S 99 Vance Walker Georgia Tech
LB N 50 Clint Sintim Virginia
CB S 2 Alphonso Smith Wake Forest
S S 9 Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
S S 25 Michael Hamlin Clemson
S S 49 Rashad Johnson Alabama


I figured that I would narrow down the list to guys that meet my eyeball filter.

My dam dvr didnt record the first practice. :mad: The path to the draft was a joke. What waste of time. Can anyone tell me how Raji and Unger looked. I would appreciate it.

Raji won most of his battles, but the one on one drill for linemen is by nature defense freindly. IMO Raji looks very solid.

Unger and Mack both held their own, both got beat, but both also had a couple battles they won. Mack's knees braces could be a concern, also he did not appear as quick footed as I had hoped. But I freely admit, I need to watch him much closer before dismissing him.

The DT that jumped off the screen was Ziggy Hood, from Mizzou.

Not a full report but at least it's something.

THANK YOU!!! Any report is appreciated.

Just a few quickies about the morning practice.

William Moore - another practice like he had today and I erase his name. What happen to this kid?

Patrick Chung -Boy was I wrong about him being a Roy Williams type, the kid can cover. He is now jumping to the top of my S list.

Another player who is rising up my list is Macho Harris. Solid in coverage, press coverage at least. He is a player.

The OL looked better in one on one drills today.

Running back from Purdue, Kory Sheets is someone we need to keep our eyes on. He is competitor.

it'd also be great to have a DB named MACHO

A quick report from SI-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ay1/index.html


Rashad Jennings/RB/Liberty sounds interesting. I know nothing about him other than this report:

A few more notes from my observations.

Morning: If we needed a true TE, then Brandon Pettigrew would be our pick at #15. The man is a blocking machine, and he can get up field, solid player who we do not need.

A guy we might look at Andy Levitre, OT Oregon St.. He will be a middle guy at the next level, might be able to transfer to OC.

Another guy lower in the draft that looked solid was Ryan Shuman VTech, he is another OC/OG type. He looked solid in the 1 on 1.

A guy we probable do not draft, but who will be a player is Mitch King, DT Iowa. He is undersized but he is so quick, only Ziggy Hood has looked quicker in the middle.

Afternooon Notes:
Andre Brown RB NC St. a 2nd day guy? who could be a solid #2 RB. He weighs 228lbs ,and showed a good burst through the hole.

Rashad Johnson S Alabama, the kid is a player, he is my #2 safety behind Chung. Yes Moore has dropped that much in my eyes.

Rey Maualuga was man handled by Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss. Nelson is known as a pass catcher, not a blocker, and he handled Rey Rey twice IIRC.

I am not impressed by Rey Rey at all. Cushing is a stud, not sure if I want him at #15, but he will be a player. I missed this in my notes about the East West Game, but since I am talking about the USC guys, did anybody else notice Kaluka Maiava ,the other OLB. He might be a 2nd day steal, and he is a smart player on the field.

I get frustrated by the TV coverage, but it is better than no coverage.

Am I the only one watching?

Player College Height Weight Arm Hand
• Brian Cushing USC 6031 243 31 3/4 9 7/8
Notes: Impressive with a strong, muscular build.
• Clay Matthews USC 6030 246 32 9 3/8
Notes: Cut with good muscle structure.
• Rey Maualuga USC 6017 254 31 5/8 10
Notes: Disappointing with a small lower body.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...s/Weigh-In.php
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draftcountdown.com always offers some interesting info from the Senior-Bowl weigh-in each year, including weigh-in stats for the players with a very brief narrative about each. For example, in comparing the LBs looks like would-be stud Maualuga is less impressive than his USC teammates ?

Nope, and I too get frustrated. I've thought about sending the NFL Network an e-mail about it. The way I see it, people who are watching PRACTICE don't need all of the 2.0 explanations that Charles Davis and Mayock go through.

They spend so much time discussing the difficulties of projecting college Spread offense players to the NFL. I like Phil Savage, but they can show me players while I listen to him talk.

I want to see the players doing stuff and the announcers discussing what's going on on the field.

Personally, Robert Ayers looked like a 3-Down DE to me. Now that we have a DL coach who had Kelsay and Schobel, I wouldn't be surprised if we went after Orapko, Everette Brown, or Aaron Maybin in the 1st round. I also wonder if that means Raji goes down the Texans' draft board. On the other hand, the Bills did get Marcus Stroud. In my opinion, Darryl Richard and Sen'Derrick Marks probably move up the Texans' board.

As for Jennings, I saw Cushing light him up. If we didn't play the Colts twice a year, I would love to have Cushing as the SAM. I just wonder if he slips to the 2nd round like Posluszny.

William Moore has got to be hurting from that torn labrum. He's simply not playing like he did last season. In my mind, Keith Fitzhugh is my SS and Rashad Johnson is my FS. Chung reminds me of a smaller Aaron Rouse, now with the Packers.

Michael Oher showed he has to be more consistent against speed rushers. However, once he gets hands on a guy, it's over.

If Shawn Nelson is a 4th round pick, then he better be our 4th round pick.

Antoine Caldwell looked impressive to me again. I can't wait until game day to see what he does vs. Raji.

Mike Thomas has made the trip from the Shrine game and looks like Eddie Royal.

Alphonso Smith is small and may be a liability vs. the run, but covers like Sherwin Williams. Dominique Johnson is what I think is a Texans prototype CB.

I've never been a Rey Rey fan, and today didn't change my opinion.

You're suggesting that Kollar has the juice with Smith/Kubiak to induce them
to trade-up to get his man in the first round ?

I watched the re-cap last night. They were really hard on Rey-Rey. Said he showed up and looked and acted out of shape and that he was very rusty. Cushing on the other hand looks like the perfect SAM for us.


I have been really disappointed with Moore this year. If he drops a few rounds he might end up being a steal, but at this point it sounds like he would be just another run support safety without good ball skills. We've got plenty of those already.

He was terrible in the bowl game Mizzou played against Oregon (I think that's who they played ?). On the other hand, Mizzou LB Weatherspoon was sensational IMO. But I gather he's not a senior as I don't think he's been invited to this game ? Actually, if he's an underclassmen I dunno if he even
declared, but he put on quite a performance in the bowl game (unlike the safety, Moore).

He also made me look stupid when they came to Austin too. I was sitting in the stands and telling everyone that we needed to look out for Moore...right before he gave up a big play, and looked very bad doing it. Every time he got beat I had to hear about it. I'm a Horns fan so it was great then, but he lost some of his luster too me that night.

weatherspoon is returning to Mizzou. and is a real stud. Ray Ray should not be drafted early. His limitations were constantly indeminified by the rest of the USC defense including the other LBs.

You're suggesting that we would have to trade up.

I have to admit that the idea of Williams, Raji, Okoye, and whoever is really a nice thought.

Have I mentioned that I like Cody Brown from UConn today?

Hey don't steal my guy.

What guy should we take if Oher, Raji, and Brown are all sitting there at 15?

Raji. He would be an incredible addition to the team

Thats a tough one. It would be between Oher and Raji for me and alot would have to do with the interview. I would probably go Raji because I ahve them rated pretty even but our D needs Raji more than our O needs Oher.

Also I feel like there are some OL that will be available later in the draft that have lots of potential in our ZB scheme. I dont know if there is anyone in this draft that could help us more than Raji.

I watched a little of practice yesterday and saw the one on one O-line vs D-line drills. Oher looked really good at times, and absolutely terrible at others. I think it was a G/C from Alabama that I noticed once or twice.

There were a couple fo defensive ends that I thought looked pretty good. A kid from Richmond and one from Hawaii. Both of them were quick off the ball and seemed like the could pull off the speed rush. No, I don't remember their names...does anyone else know anything about these guys? Maybe a later round pick who can be a pass rush specialist?

It's hard to tell much from this drill though.

Sidbury was here in Houston last week. Both of those guys will be specialist, or 3-4 guys

That's them....if I wasn't so lazy I would have looked them up myself. Don't know much about them, but the little I saw they looked like they would either be 3-4 guys or specialist DE's.

Isn't English the guy that Mayoc at SB practice today predicted as potentially the next DeMarcus Ware ? And that was a nice plug he gave Andre Johnson the other day when discussing receivers in the WC offense ?
Dang I wish we could get the SB here in Houston, but ya gotta admire the little city of Mobile, AL for making a big success out of it.

If that's a question, my reply is "yes". More & more teams are going 3-4 and these tweeners are becoming a more valuable commodity every year.
I wish we had never left the 3-4, but it's typical of Kubiak being inflexible and reluctant to confront change.

Your guy? Cody Brown is one of my guys. :D

If you are talking about Raji, then I'll concede that. I have been slow in coming around on him. When it comes to 1st round picks with guaranteed money, I get very picky. "Character" issues include things like arrests, suspensions, lack of conditioning, etc. Raji had some academic problems at BC that I'm not completely familiar with, but it is a flag. He also had some issues with his weight getting up over 360lbs. I'm sold that the talent is all there, but there are some questions about the mental and emotional.

I doubt we'll be faced with your hypothetical, but if it happened, I would go Raji because of how much he would improve Okoye, Mario, and DeMeco.

Blah...Blah...I am done with first round tackles FOR THIS TEAM, we have other needs besides D-line. B.J. Raji pulled an Okoye and jumped up the charts but after 5 firsts in 6 years give me a 2nd or 3rd rounder before we have 82 % of our cap tied into the d-line.

BTW that goes for DEs out there too. Orakpo, Maybin, Johnson, and Everette Brown, NOT INTERESTED. Are we any better than the Lions, for the redundant drafting, they drafted three WR in as many years. We drafted 5 first round Dlinemen in 6 years. Fing Ridicolous. I AM DONE WITH THAT CRAP.

Fair point.
Lot of guys went gah-gah eyed over Okoyes Senior Bowl performance a couple years ago (apparently including Smith & Kubiak),
and 2 years out in the NFL he's been a definite flop for a #10 overall.

I think that comment is ridiculous. Played well early in his rookie season before wearing down. Understandable for any rookie, not to mention one as young as him. He was a major disappointment this year without a doubt, but he was nicked up most of the year and was asked to play a lot of 2 gap type techniques. Not his strong suit. Will he ever be in same level at his position as AJ or Mario. I doubt it, but if your expectations for a first round pick are that he ends up being one of the top 3 or 4 guys at his position your going to be disappointed an awful lot. Hell even expecting multiple pro bowls from your first round pick is probably unrealistic.

I think it is silly to use past player performance to plan drafting strategy for THIS year. Whether or not Travis Johnson or Okoye worked out has nothing to do with how good a player Everette Brown will be. How good of a player Everette Brown IS will determine how good a player Everette Brown will be. You look at that and that alone to determine his value and draft from there.

Does it suck that we have put so much money into the D-line over the years and really only had Mario to show for it? Yeah, it does, but that doesn't mean you give up on improving a weakness of the team's through the draft. I mean, this particular regime is really only responsible for Mario and Okoye anyway. Mario I think we can agree has worked out rather nicely. Okoye looks to be a disappointment but his story is far from over. If the team sees a guy at 15 that they really believe can help this team on the D-line, I sure as hell hope they don't avoid taking him just because Travis Johnson didn't work out like we'd hoped.

For openers he's not just a first round pick, he's a top 10 pick which by definition means he was drafted in the top third of the first round. And my criteria for success for a player drafted that high would include a level of performance within his first 2 years which indicates he's a standout, a "star" or atleast demononstrates the potential to rise to that level. And I'm not talking about flashing, about making a play or 2 in a game and then disappearing for a couple weeks. Gotta have more consistancy than that by the end of the second year. And so far I haven't seen that, maybe you have ?

Going back to 2002 when they drafted Joey Harrington, they could have drafted John Henderson or Albert Haynesworth.

2003 they drafted hometown boy Charles Rogers instead of Andre Johnson. It's not that they shouldn't have drafted a WR, they just got the wrong one.

2004 they drafted Roy Williams because Rogers was not the answer. Imagine if they had had gone with Haynesworth and Andre Johnson the two previous years, they could have gotten Ben Roethlisberger in this draft.

2005 was the Mike Williams draft. This guy was considered a top pick the year prior, but simply was denied the opportunity to enter the draft. In attempt to surround the QB with weapons to make him successful, the investment in Williams was probably a reach considering his lack of another year playing. They could have gone after Senior Bowl phenom DeMarcus Ware, but that would have been silly, right? The best player at that draft slot was probably Derrick Johnson, but we also passed on him, opting to trade down.

2006 the Lions decided to forget about WRs and drafted Ernie Sims. Not a bad choice considering they passed on Derrick Johnson the year before. The option of Jay Cutler was there, but if they had drafted Big Ben in 2004, that wouldn't have been necessary. What about Combine stud Broderick Bunkley or Haloti Ngata to put next to Albert Haynesworth? I'm forgetting that Shaun Rogers was on the team, so how about CB Antonio Cromartie?

2007 Calvin Johnson was considered to be the BPA in the draft. Oakland went with Russell, so the Lions would have been thought of as crazy for not selecting the surest thing simply because they had made mistakes at the position before. Personally, I thought Adrian Peterson was the BPA, so I would have gone that route.

To re-cap the Lions 1st round draft picks could have looked like this:
2002 - DT Albert Haynesworth
2003 - WR Andre Johnson
2004 - QB Ben Roethlisberger
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson
2006 - CB Antonio Cromartie
2007 - RB Adrian Peterson

Gee, I bet Matt Millen wishes he had a time machine.

The Lions drafting WRs has nothing to do with our team or if we should take a DL. (1) We need to draft good players. (2) If it comes down to a choice between multiple good players we need to pick the one at a position of need. Neither of these items rules out DL by any means. You don't make 1st round selections based on cap money. If you get it right and pick the best player and he happens to play DL then you figure out the cap money later (cut weaver, TJ, or both).

Couple of things. WR is different than a defensive lineman for one main reasons. A WR will never make a bad team good. They can't do anything unless they have an offensive line that can protect the QB....and a QB to get them the ball. Same thing works on the other side of the line. We could throw out two pro bowl CB's, but if you can't get pressure on the QB or stop the run with some consistency you are still going to get picked apart at some point.

I will never have a problem picking a lineman on either side of the ball if the staff thinks they are worth it. It might not always be my favorite, and it's definitely not sexy, but the trenches are where game are won.

I would hope that any first round pick for us turns out to be a star, but the reality is that doesn't happen a majority of the time for any team. Think of how many top ten picks don't ever amount to much. We could argue over how much potential Okoye's demonstrated and probably never agree (although we're prob. not that far apart). I've just gotten to the point that I'm not that worried about where a guy was picked anymore. More draft picks fail than don't in the NFL. Picking at the top of the first round only slightly increases your chances of getting a star, if at all. I haven't done it, but I'm sure in the majority of drafts you could look at the first round (or top 10) and find far more guys who were only average, or worse, than standout players. It does matter when it comes to salary cap, but getting players who can contribute from later in the draft probably has as much if not more of an impact on making sure you're not towards the top of the round and forced to pay the high salary for a guy who's play likely won't match up.

I want all of our picks to be stars, but it's not going to happen. I would hope that we hit more than miss in the first round as well, but If all you get is a guy who is just an average starter...well you are probably still well ahead of the curve. Okoye did not have a good year at all. I doubt he'll ever be a star, but I still think he can play a big role on this team. He's still very young at a position that takes a while to grow into, so he might surprise us.