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papabear 04-28-2008 05:01 PM

Jaques Reeves
 
I don't know how many of you ever read any of KC Joyner's stuff, but it relies heavily on stats and the metrics he's come up with. I like the idea of looking deeper into the stats to get something more meaningful, like OBPS in baseball vs. just batting average. The way most of his stuff is done leaves some room for subjectivity, but he tries to outline how he breaks down each category.

Anyway I just found an old article from him where he talks about underrated players and one of them was Reeves. I thought it was interesting if for no other reason than the only people who seem to agree with him are the Texans staff.

KC Joyner

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Jacques Reeves, CB, Texans: Reeves, formerly of the Cowboys, had a 7.9 YPA in 2007. That number alone says he is average, but it is skewed somewhat by three of his games. Reeves struggled in Week 2 at Miami, got beat for a 69-yard touchdown by Donte' Stallworth in Week 6 against New England and had a subpar showing in Week 11 against Washington.

Take those three tilts out of his numbers, and Reeves' YPA drops to 7.0, which is a starting-cornerback level YPA. He might not be a shutdown cornerback, but he certainly is an upgrade for a weak Houston secondary that can use all the help it can get.
I disagree with taking out his "bad days", but according to him we shouldn't be as worried about who will play corner opposite Bennet until Dunta comes back. If you look earlier in the article he slams Drayton Florence's 10.8 ypa, and claims that numbers like those usually get a player benched or released.

I'm really not sure how much stock to put into all this, but I thought it was interesting.

HPF Bob 04-28-2008 07:04 PM

Yeah, and if you take Adam Everett's bad plate appearances out, he's a .300 hitter. :p

Keith 04-28-2008 07:43 PM

Yeah, it's kinda tough to ignore those plays. Probably something similar could be said about Petey, like take away those two 83-yd TD passes he gave up and he actually played a good game.

That's just the life of a corner.

Hopefully these guys, will all get better help in deep coverage from the safeties, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

dadmg 04-29-2008 01:19 AM

After reading the Football Outsiders early free agency review, I felt a bit better about the Reeves signing and since then I've heard more positive than negative so I guess I'll just wait and see.

TheMatrix31 04-29-2008 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 478)
Yeah, it's kinda tough to ignore those plays. Probably something similar could be said about Petey, like take away those two 83-yd TD passes he gave up and he actually played a good game.

Lee Evans tore us a new one that day.

papabear 04-29-2008 08:50 AM

The taking out the bad plays is ridiculous, but even with those in he still rates his as average.....which is 100x better than what most people have said about him.

NickO 04-29-2008 10:59 PM

At least the Reeves acquisition doesn't carry the sting of the 2nd and 3rd given up for P-Buch the tackling machine. I think the Reeves bonus money is reasonable for a guy with starting experience and at worst he's DEPTH. This franchise is finally coming around to the point where they have to start making tough decisions for roster spots because of the depth Smith/Kubiak have brought in.

jppaul 05-04-2008 12:30 AM

I am just hoping that he is not Faggins kind of crispy. See Lee Evans lighting him up like a christmas tree.

Vinny 05-05-2008 11:06 AM

Joyner was one of the guys who rated Carr so highly a few years ago. He seems to look at a lot of film but I'm not big on stats to define or grade players. Personally, I think that you can use formulas in statistically driven sports like baseball because of the 1 on 1 matchup the pitcher has with the hitters. I know there are other defenders in play but the crucial element in baseball is the hitter vs the pitcher. In football there are just too many variables, techniques and strategies that impact any given play.....football is just a sport you gotta eyeball. If not you end up lovin' guys like Carr for no good reason other than because he grades out with high 'metrics'.

HPF Bob 05-05-2008 01:19 PM

I totally agree, Vinny. Baseball is a series of one-on-one matchups while football is far more of a team-vs-team sport for the stats to be analyzed as thoroughly as they are in baseball.

NBT 05-20-2008 03:46 PM

I have to hand it to Vinny on this one. I stayed with Carr entirely too long. Now I see the error of my ways. So my hat is off to ya Vinny.

I agree that in Football, you have to see the game and the games within the game, to really judge a player. So I think I will reserve judgment until I see Reeves in a few games.

Bigtinylittle 05-21-2008 06:01 PM

When Dunte and Faggins were in together at the beginning of last year, what I saw was that the QB rarely threw at Dunte and when he did, Dunte usually made the play. The QB threw at Faggins way more often and Petey looked terrible. He either got beat or he played so far off his man that the reception was a forgone conclusion.

That's why I wasn't surprised when our defense didn't really seem to miss the loss of Dunte very much. It was almost like his talent was being wasted. In my opinion, having a very weak corner is one of the very worst problems a defense can have. It gives the offense a play they can go back to over and over. An automatic.

Even though neither Reeves or Bennett are as good as Dunte, as a duo I would rate them ahead of the Dunte/Faggins duo. And when we get Dunte back, things should be even better.

Now if we can just get a decent pass rush out of our front four, we could be pretty salty against the pass.

NBT 05-24-2008 05:36 PM

I just want us to have good enough talent so we can mix up our coverages more. Because of the injuries last year we seemed to be limited to only a couple of schemes.

Roy P 05-26-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle (Post 868)
In my opinion, having a very weak corner is one of the very worst problems a defense can have. It gives the offense a play they can go back to over and over. An automatic.

Now if we can just get a decent pass rush out of our front four, we could be pretty salty against the pass.

I was watching the 2003 Colts vs. Bucs game on NFL Network and the Bucs had a hell of a defense. They should have won that game pretty easiliy. However, Brian Kelly was out with an injury so the CB duo was Ronde Barber and some guy named Wansley.

To make a long story short, Peyton and the colts scored 4 touchdowns in 4 minutes left in the game because the weak link in the secondary was exposed and exploited.

This was my reasoning behind wanting CB Antoine Cason in the 1st round during the draft. Hopefully, Bennett and Molden can hold their own this season and Reeves can help out too. None of us know when/if Dunta is coming back. I'm optimistic that he'll be up to speed around week 10. By that time, we could be out of the playoffs.

NBT 05-27-2008 04:43 PM

There were a lot of CB's available (and taken) in the first round. My opinion was if we couldn't get McKelvin or DRC, then the next bet was OLT. When all of the "glitter" OLT's were gone at #18, I kinda thought, well it is a tossup between the kid from S. Fla. (Jenkins?), and Duane Brown. The CowCrooks traded back up to get the CB, so to me the choice of Duane Brown at #26 was somewhat of a no-brainer. I feel he will do us proud. The two extra picks didn't hurt any either.

NBT 06-08-2008 02:50 PM

..........And besides, it was coach Hokes who scouted Fred Bennet back in 2006, and look what he has done after being given the chance. Coach Hoke also worked out Molden just before the 2008 Draft. I feel good about our secondary, given the fact that Hokes will do the honors for the CBs, and Rhoades will do the same for the safeties. I will just flat disagree with RP, and say we will still be in it for the playoffs at week 10, if the injury bug doesn't strike us down like it has for the past two years. Okam could be the key. If he stops the run on first and second, then it will make it a lot easier to defend the pass on 3rd, or 4th down.

Arky 06-08-2008 05:11 PM

I get the impression from what I see and hear on the internet that Dunta wants and feels he'll be ready for opening day. I think the team may not let him, though and make him take the safe, cautionary road to returning....

He's (Dunta) at a point in his career, I believe, where he doesn't need that many reps so it is good for the new guys (Molden, Reeves) to get the majority of the reps in practice...

papabear 06-09-2008 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1168)
I get the impression from what I see and hear on the internet that Dunta wants and feels he'll be ready for opening day. .

That may be what he wants, but I would be absolutely shocked if it's even considered. IMO best case is that he comes off of the PUP list midseason, and slowly works himself back into the action. I would not be surprised one little bit if he didn't play a down this year. That's probably more likely than him being ready opening day.

Don't get me wrong I want him back ASAP, but I'm just being realistic. Once the Doctor OK's him it still will take some time for him to get anywhere close to top form.

KJ3 06-09-2008 10:53 AM

i don't think the texans would allow him out to play on opening day. unless a magical hand of healing has passed over him and he is actually and truly 100% it would be dumb to send him out to battle.

hell, if he's that close to being ready on opening day i don't see the PUP list as necessity. don't they have to wait until week 7 to return? if he's feeling good and is only 2 or 3 more weeks away i say screw the PUP list and just play him when everyone is comfortable.

for the record though, i think he does hit the PUP list. like it or lump it we don't need half of dunta robinson. we need the man himself, as himself. i'm alright with however bennett/reeves/molden play to begin the year.

Arky 06-09-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 1172)
That may be what he wants, but I would be absolutely shocked if it's even considered. IMO best case is that he comes off of the PUP list midseason, and slowly works himself back into the action. I would not be surprised one little bit if he didn't play a down this year. That's probably more likely than him being ready opening day.

Don't get me wrong I want him back ASAP, but I'm just being realistic. Once the Doctor OK's him it still will take some time for him to get anywhere close to top form.

Uhh, yeah. I also said:

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I think the team may not let him, though and make him take the safe, cautionary road to returning....
and you pretty much said the same thing. At some point, it won't matter what the MRI's or the doctor says they will have to go with what Dunta says. If he says he's ready, they'll have to trust him..... IMO, he's going to play this year - maybe not opening day, but sometime during the year.....

papabear 06-09-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1179)
Uhh, yeah. I also said:


I know and I wasn't attacking your comment....I just don't think that Dunta has any shot of playing on opening day regardless of what he says right now. I'm glad to see he's taken the attitude that he's going to work his tail off and get back on the field.

KJ3 06-10-2008 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1179)
At some point, it won't matter what the MRI's or the doctor says they will have to go with what Dunta says.

i disagree like 6 bajillion percent. i'll take the prognosis of a highly trained professional using a big fancy machine over the word of a highly paid athlete in a contract year. 80% of dunta robinson is not that great of a corner. we need the man himself, as himself.

Arky 06-10-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1189)
i disagree like 6 bajillion percent. i'll take the prognosis of a highly trained professional using a big fancy machine over the word of a highly paid athlete in a contract year. 80% of dunta robinson is not that great of a corner. we need the man himself, as himself.

He's 80%? I didn't know that. When is he going to be 100%?

KJ3 06-11-2008 07:35 AM

dude, i'm just guessing. we all know he wouldn't be 100% if he walks out onto the field the first sunday, my point is we need 100% dunta...not anything less.

Arky 06-11-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1214)
dude, i'm just guessing. we all know he wouldn't be 100% if he walks out onto the field the first sunday, my point is we need 100% dunta...not anything less.

And my point was, at some point it doesn't matter what the doctors or the MRI's say. (you know, the part where you disagree like 6 bajillion percent?) At some point, they are going to say, "We've done all we can, it's up to you, now, to rehab/work your way back".

It just amazes me to read in the various internet forums how everybody knows the fate or what is best for Dunta. Some have him as Boselli vers 2.0 - never to play again and some have him coming all the way back to 100%. Lots of in between. Some say he'll play but never be 100% again.

Everybody is guessing. Only Dunta, if he's honest with himself, can say where he is really at.

Reports coming out say he's out there running around at practice, now. If you put any stock in what McClain says, that at practice, he's looking good but still having trouble with lateral movement and turn-and-run... that Dunta is saying, "October" and the team is saying, "November". With 3 months still to go, he (McClain) doesn't doubt that he will return this year.

http://www.chron.com/sports/

Go to the Justice/McClain Audio links in the lower right and click on "Texans confident about Season". Dunta info is about half way through.

cadams 06-11-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1219)
Go to the Justice/McClain Audio links in the lower right and click on "Texans confident about Season". Dunta info is about half way through.

i don't disagree with you on your assesment of duante, but this is the wrong crowd to use those two dingleberries as sources.

Arky 06-11-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cadams (Post 1222)
i don't disagree with you on your assesment of duante, but this is the wrong crowd to use those two dingleberries as sources.

I'm not a big fan of either but actually, I'd rather listen to someone that has been to a few OTA's rather than someone that has been to zero OTA's.

KJ3 06-12-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1219)
And my point was, at some point it doesn't matter what the doctors or the MRI's say. (you know, the part where you disagree like 6 bajillion percent?) At some point, they are going to say, "We've done all we can, it's up to you, now, to rehab/work your way back".

yea there is a point where what the doctors say doesn't matter. it's after they give him clearance to play with the team. it's after he's rehabed and worked his way back, so as long as they feel he is healthy he can play...i'm not sure where you think dunta's opinion comes in but he's not going to be able just tell the texans medical staff to shove it and go play because he thinks he can...unless he doesn't want his money.
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It just amazes me to read in the various internet forums how everybody knows the fate or what is best for Dunta. Some have him as Boselli vers 2.0 - never to play again and some have him coming all the way back to 100%. Lots of in between. Some say he'll play but never be 100% again. I'm a big hypocrite.

Everybody is guessing. Only Dunta, if he's honest with himself, can say where he is really at.
pppppppppsdfakld......so we're not allowed to talk about it even though i just said i was guessing at his current health?

by the way, MRI machines and degrees in such matters hold a fairly weighted portion of the general opinion of this person. in fact, DUNTA CAN'T PLAY UNTIL THEY CLEAR HIM. i think they matter just a weeeeee lil' bit. there are reasons why athletes don't treat themselves, i know, that's weird but i swear it's true.
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Reports coming out say he's out there running around at practice, now. If you put any stock in what McClain says, that at practice, he's looking good but still having trouble with lateral movement and turn-and-run... that Dunta is saying, "October" and the team is saying, "November". With 3 months still to go, he (McClain) doesn't doubt that he will return this year.

http://www.chron.com/sports/

Go to the Justice/McClain Audio links in the lower right and click on "Texans confident about Season". Dunta info is about half way through.
you're looking to JOHN F*CK*NG MCCLAIN for information about lateral movements and being able to turn or run? that's your whole problem right there son. besides, you just give us the business about "everybody knows what's best for dunta" and then give like one of the worst sources in the history of sources as your definitive stamp of righteousness? please.

Arky 06-12-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1230)
yea there is a point where what the doctors say doesn't matter. it's after they give him clearance to play with the team. it's after he's rehabed and worked his way back, so as long as they feel he is healthy he can play...i'm not sure where you think dunta's opinion comes in but he's not going to be able just tell the texans medical staff to shove it and go play because he thinks he can...unless he doesn't want his money.

See: Spencer. I'd say the doctors have done all they can do with him. Is he not "cleared"? Can he still do his job? Who makes that determination? At this point, I'd say it would be up to he and the coaches.

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1230)
pppppppppsdfakld......so we're not allowed to talk about it even though i just said i was guessing at his current health?

Sure you can. Guess all you want - that's what these forums are for. Some use inside info and facts to form their opinions - others just blabber out whatever comes to mind....

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1230)
by the way, MRI machines and degrees in such matters hold a fairly weighted portion of the general opinion of this person. in fact, DUNTA CAN'T PLAY UNTIL THEY CLEAR HIM. i think they matter just a weeeeee lil' bit. there are reasons why athletes don't treat themselves, i know, that's weird but i swear it's true.

See my first reply.

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Originally Posted by KJ3 (Post 1230)
you're looking to JOHN F*CK*NG MCCLAIN for information about lateral movements and being able to turn or run? that's your whole problem right there son. besides, you just give us the business about "everybody knows what's best for dunta" and then give like one of the worst sources in the history of sources as your definitive stamp of righteousness? please.

Jeez, take a valium - that last hyperbole got away from you.

Son? Eheh, judging from your responses, I'd say I'm probably twice your age.

Re: McClain, sure, as mentioned, I'd rather hear what he has to say rather than someone typing from their work computer. He does have about 30-some years reporting on sports and he is not always wrong (and I can't believe I'm defending him). Did you even go listen at the link I posted?

This is my last post on the subject. Your floor.

Bigtinylittle 06-12-2008 05:49 PM

I don't consider McClain a football genius, but I respect him for what he is: a guy who likes football, has a few sources but not as many as he'd like, and a guy that as far as I can tell doesn't just make stuff up. As a source, I'd but him well ahead of some of the radio sports jocks in Houston.

One of the reasons Dunte was written off at the time he got his injury is the total hamstring tear. But from what I have been hearing, the hamstring operation was a total success. If that is true, then what Dunte is dealing with is just a normal ACL tear with a little extra rehab time because of the hamstring thing. If that is the case, then he should be able to play pretty well this year and be fully or almost fully as good as he was before in another year or so.

KJ3 06-13-2008 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Arky (Post 1242)
See: Spencer. I'd say the doctors have done all they can do with him. Is he not "cleared"? Can he still do his job? Who makes that determination? At this point, I'd say it would be up to he and the coaches.

i don't think they've cleared him for contact have they? i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure all he's done is individual workouts to this point. just like my boy dunta. they both need the MEDICAL CLEARANCE before "i'm good to go" means anything to any coach.

who makes the determination? the doctors.
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Sure you can. Guess all you want - that's what these forums are for. Some use inside info and facts to form their opinions - others just blabber out whatever comes to mind....
talked yourself into a circle here. more like the olympic games logo: circles in circles.
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Jeez, take a valium - that last hyperbole got away from you.

Son? Eheh, judging from your responses, I'd say I'm probably twice your age.
jeebus h. rodriguez, if i call you my dawg are you gonna tell me that you're not a dog? if i call you a homie are you gonna tell me you're at work?
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Re: McClain, sure, as mentioned, I'd rather hear what he has to say rather than someone typing from their work computer. He does have about 30-some years reporting on sports and he is not always wrong (and I can't believe I'm defending him). Did you even go listen at the link I posted?

This is my last post on the subject. Your floor.
just because john mcclain has been a terrible sports reporter for 30 years it doesn't make him any more right about anything. you don't want sports opinions from somebody who doesn't get paid to opine on sports (i.e. me)? that's just fine. but excuse me if i'm not going to take analysis on running from a guy who probably hasn't seen the lower half of his body without the aid of a mirror for the same 30 years.

NBT 06-17-2008 03:02 PM

There was a time, back when we still had the old Houston Post, McLain actually had to work a little bit, and had some good years along with the Luv Ya Blue teams. However, now that he's self styled himself a little short fat strutting "general", those days are sadly gone. RIP.

KJ3 06-23-2008 07:48 AM

i'll just have to take your word for it NBT. i still can't get the image of mad tv's impression of kenny rogers out of my mind when john mcclain talks.

NBT 06-23-2008 01:32 PM

But back to Reeves. Iwill be watching closely to see how he looks in our system. He supposedly sucked in the Cowboys. His forte is supposedly bump and run, and being physical on the receivers. We sure need him to hold the rope......at least until Dunta can get back.

There are still a lot of sports writers out there who say our secondary sucks. Well that was last year. I really think the safeties will be better and deeper. The CB's however, I'm holding my breath and waiting?

KJ3 06-23-2008 02:39 PM

from what i've heard we've signed reeves as like a "change of scenary will be better for him" type. it makes me glad to hear he is a physical corner, he's got good size and speed which you would expect from an nfl corner. physical and aggressive play like that would really give some new adjectives to use on our defense. vanilla, soft, and bend but don't break are getting really old.

i agree with you the safeties should be better but they couldn't have been much worse. do they make our secondary fearsome? nope. i think the corners should be fine as long as reeves isn't petey-v.2. bennett should be a key component in his 2nd year if he continues his playmaking. plus we have a hungry dunta waiting to get back to action!!

NBT 07-12-2008 03:25 PM

Yeah, the vanilla soft, and bend but don't break are Richard Smith's legacies to date. The truth is, Kubiak told him to play conservative because he wasn't real confident of the RBs, or the offensive line. I hope with coach Gibbs running the ZBS, he will have the faith to run a more aggressive defense. That is one of the things I will be watching for very closely this season.

Nconroe 07-13-2008 06:27 PM

I thought the vanilla defense was partly due to dline, maybe front seven, couldn't bring enough pressure consistently. And we needed to get taller and faster, and let some of experience develop, and keep away from injuries, all of which are starting to show up, so, here's hoping for an improved looking defense and secondary.

Dancerdog 07-14-2008 12:24 AM

Dunta
 
I would expect Dunta to be back the week after the bye. At least according to what word is coming out of the Texans organization. I sure hope he returns to his old self. That injury was horrendous.

coloradodude 07-14-2008 12:39 AM

About Dunta...that was a terrible injury. Anyone that is counting on him ever regaining his original speed is deceiving themselves. Provided he does come all the way back (minus the former super speed) he is still great in run support and screwing with the receivers at the line.

About Reeves...don't be shocked if this is his last year with the Texans.

popanot 07-14-2008 01:26 PM

Way to stay postive there, CD. ;)


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