Bob McNair
 

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It looks like our idiot owner is doing his best to sabotage a season that had potential.

On the one hand that's a stupid thing to get offended by. I have heard that saying used to refer to 100 different things and none of those things were actual inmates. Most often I hear it about teachers in a classroom and it has nothing to do with little kids being inmates.

On the other hand Bob McNair is an idiot. You're dealing with a seriously emotional issue that the players have clearly planted a flag on, so why you'd be off the cuff on something like this is beyond me. It may be a dumb thing to get mad about, but it is even dumber to go into a meeting on flag protests calling mostly black protesters inmates, no matter the context.

Either way it will absolutely have a negative impact on the team. Especially when you have a guy with an axe to grind like Duane Brown who is ready to use this to stick it to the guy who just stuck it to him. I guess we're getting an early start on wasting Deshaun Watson like we wasted JJ Watt.

I guess we get to speculate on the effect but it's not good.

Might be really bad. Very unfortunate words.

McNair needs to have a face to face meeting with the team fast .

I saw nationally it's, freedom of speech, player protests, respect for flag, a hot topic with 52% not supporting players.

Owners are concerned the protests adding to their dip in revenue this year, so a tough topic.

Me, I keep watching and support freedom of speech, our first amendment. Others opinions are heard for sure.

I believe the oft-used expression "Inmates running the asylum" is what he meant. That was error #1. It would certainly haved been "softer" than what he said.

He's issued an apology and I'm sure he feels badly about it. What does anyone expect beyond that?

It's not about what anyone expects after the fact. It's about the players wanting someone to blame for the last few months. Reggie Bush called on twitter for him to be ousted as owner like Donald Sterling. They want his head. The players now think they have someone they can hold accountable for their anger. They can't get Donald Trump but they can get Bob McNair.

It won't matter what's reasonable to expect, if he was sincere, if he apologizes, if he donates to the NAACP, or anything else. He is now a racist in the minds of half the NFL players. There is no way that is anything but terrible for the Texans.

Not disputing that. "They" can vilify him all they want. Call him names. Crucify him. Quit football in protest. That's their problem. He's issued a public apology. At some point everyone has to move on.....

Just a bad distraction at the wrong time. Vegas is watching. The spread has risen from Seattle by 5½ to 7½....

I don't know what he meant, I just know what he said. Prison. There are all sorts of ways you can read that and none of them is good.

I fking hate McNair, as you all know. Prior to any of this he's proven himself to be a bigoted cumstain among other insalubrious things. So this does not surprise me in the least, to discover that he thinks of the players in question - not ALL of his players, mind you, just the ones who might choose to act in some form of peaceful protest - that he thinks of them as prisoners.

I will be so proud of the players if they all take a knee or sit or stand and look at McNair and give him the FU or whatever it is.

In the mean time the national backlash is as embarrassing as it is deserved.

Actually nobody has to move on. Nobody moved on with Donald Sterling and he had to go away. We have no idea how this plays out and we have no idea whether the players will just move on.

Just like fans can stop watching, and owners can not hire guys who kneel, the players can not play for owners who make racially charged statements. And make no mistake it is racially charged. There is nothing that bothers the African American community more than prisons, and McNair decides to change the metaphor to make it about prisons and inmates. That's not a slip of the tongue. You don't make up whole new sayings that have never been said unless there is something behind it. Add to it that he's the biggest republican donor in Houston, and we now have a team that no black player will want to sign with for the next 5 years. Bob McNair has torpedoed the entire organization and while guys will play this week and collect paychecks, a large number of them will never forget this as long as McNair owns the team.

The half of the country who supports the protests (and it's almost an even split according to polls) will now have their villain, and they will love that their villain is a Texan. And 90% of the players you really want to sign are in that half of the country. So we just became the last place any guy wants to sign going forward.

Up to now Bob McNair has been a worthless owner who gave us no positives, but now he is a negative who will actively hurt this team's chances of winning.

Oddly enough I'm not quite as pessimistic as all that right now. I think money talks and when the Uncle Tom GM dangles money, lots of guys will snap at it. But if they don't and McNeck becomes the NFL's Sterling, great. It's well deserved.

Sorry, I disagree.

So, it was a dumb thing to say, but I don't think McNair is a redneck or racist.

I think McNair has done a lot to help Houston as well, including making large contributions to JJs Harvey recovery funds.


I do hope racism in the country is solved which was the point of the player protests.

Hope the Texans agree with that. Maybe not all will.

All can have their opinion. Plenty to fix in this country.

Well, he's plainly both. What you're saying I think is that neither bothers you particularly, which is fair enough.

The protests are about something far more specific than racism, they're about the impunity with which police nationwide murder unarmed black citizens. It is lunacy, it is disgusting, it is shameful and it must stop. I for one am proud that people with a public platform are using it to bring attention to this horrible situation. I wish that more people would do more.

Entertainingly enough, the owners' being stupid, tone deaf dicks on this is simply amplifying everything and bringing into clearer focus just what a plantation racket the league really is.

I agree with your second paragraph.

I think you totally misunderstood or i was not clear in first paragraph.

The third paragraph, I'd rather see some positive suggestions to solve the problem. Maybe town hall meetings with owners, players, community, city leaders, and police? ,

Provide a way to continue the protest/discussion so that the flag can be respected as well.

Mark Cuban told his players they could make a recorded statement that would play on the jumbotron before the national anthem. This gives them the platform while removing the flag and the anthem from the equation. The protest during the anthem is as tone deaf as the owners response to it. Every owner should offer some avenue like Cuban did.

Bob McNair's money will still spend, it just won't spend when a guy has another option.

And you can have any issue with Rick Smith's job performance, but calling him an uncle tom is just plain dumb. At worst he works for a racist and doesn't do anything about it.

The guy is a rich white 80 year old from South Carolina. It would take an extraordinary individual produced by those circumstances not to be racist to some degree. I can well imagine reasonable people deciding that that's just not particularly relevant when evaluating the fellow. It would be great, though, if he's exercise a bit more circumspection when speaking in public.

I'm glad McNair had a face to face apology and QNA with players before they took off for Seattle.

Before now, McNair was considered a model owner - someone who built mediocre teams, spent enough but not too much, willing to be on various committees and generally stayed out of the headlines. I was happy to see the Texans largely ignored in this whole sideline thing.

That was, of course, before the "inmates" comment and now McNair is Bull Connor with the fire hoses. Proof again that you can say and do 100 things to help blacks and the black community and the first time you open your mouth in opposition, the media lynch mob comes out to accuse you of fondling white hoods in your private moments.

Where is Rick Smith while his boss twists in the wind? Does he not speak or is the media unwilling to give him a voice because it might dent their narrative?

They're comparing McNair to Donald Sterling who, you'll recall, won awards from the Los Angeles NAACP prior to his being pilloried by the press and also sold the Clippers at a huge profit to another group of whites. Some punishment.

Also, aren't the black athletes who are offended self-identifying as prisoners by voicing their offense? If he said we can't let the clowns run the circus, would they self-identify as clowns?

Nonetheless, several here expressed their firm desire to see McNair sell the team and I suspect he'll be hounded until he does unless he kisses ass sufficiently. All you need to do is look around the NFL to see the quality of ownership around the league to realize it could be much worse than what we have.

Totally agree. Good post. I might add:

KEEP THE POLITICS OFF THE FIELD

It's not politics. I'm sorry you see it that way.

It's not? Well, you need to get the word out. How about the word "agenda"? Better?

If I pay for entertainment, I want entertainment not entertainment + politics/agendas. The golden goose that is the NFL is being given small doses of poison each and every week. Many have left. I am not far behind.

McNeck's at it again.

Sexual harrassment is literally a joke to this fkface.

A link might have been appropriate.

This appears to be it:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...son/457174002/

McNair is defending outgoing Panthers owner Jerry Richardson claiming Richardson's comments "might have been joking" and "didn't mean to offend anyone".

But it's really hard to tell what was said from all the editorializing contained in the story.

I'm sure McNair and Richardson are both friends and Carolina "good ol boys" and McNair probably hates to see a friend and someone he sees as a model owner being forced out. That's how I read it. Can we expect men in their 70s who grew up in a completely different environment than the hypersensitive one we live in today to completely "get it" when others accuse them of inappropriate comments? In our #MeToo generation where a hand on a shoulder can be blown up into a firing offense?

McNair would have been smart to simply say "no comment" or steer the conversation elsewhere but he sees a friend under siege and wanted to offer some support.

He basically said Richardson got a raw deal and shouldn't have had to sell the Panthers because sometimes rich guys pay sexual allegations off because it's cheaper.

The comment is debatable if it came from a guy defending himself. It's beyond idiotic when you come in from the outside to defend a guy who paid off sexually based allegations. It's almost as idiotic as the prison inmate comment. It's like he's totally unaware he's a public figure and his casual/generational racist/sexist comments won't play well with that public. Either he wants to crusade for the rights of those who pay off sexual harrassment allegations which is just dumb and hurts his franchise, or he is losing his faculties and things he normally wouldn't say out loud are slipping out as a result. Either way Cal needs to find a way to remove the old man from all media contact.

Hypersensitivity? Uh, no. Women have decided that they do not need to tolerate being sexually harrassed in the workplace (Hand on the shoulder? Come on, Buford.), and a lot of us have decided that casual racism on the part of powerful people needs to be punished severely because one of its results is innocent people being shot twenty times as they stand in their back yard minding their own business. And then they get handcuffed. (Nice touch, eh, Buford,the handcuffs?)

Large business, ideally local businesses, need to pull their sponsorships from the team. If I lived in Necktown I would go out of my way not to patronize the team's sponsors.

It is absolutely amazing to me how out of touch this freak is.

I know you detest McNair (and that's your right) but it is illogical to connect him to a police shooting in Sacramento (one of the most liberal cities in the country) that he has nothing to do with.

I wasn't happy with the way SPD handled this but they didn't just show up to shoot a black guy. He was suspected of breaking into cars along his street after dark and was tracked by helicopter until police arrived. The helicopter video clearly shows the suspect vaulting over backyard fences when the police gave chase. Yes, he turned out to be unarmed but he was waving his girlfriend's pink cell phone at them rather than complying with orders to stop and throw up his hands. The police mistook the cell phone for a gun and opened fire.

Most damning was one officer's instruction to mute his bodycam before engaging the suspect. They should have also waited for the helicopter to put a spotlight on the suspect so they could more clearly see him.

None of this has anything to do with McNair or Richardson even if you want to stretch this into being the cause behind the kneel-down protests. Black Lives Matter incites protests while conveniently ignoring two major facts: 1) More cops are killed in shootings in the U.S. than they are the shooter and 2) Blacks are ten times more likely to be murdered by another black man in the U.S. than they are by a policeman of any race.

Police shootings are unfortunate and should be more rare but the selective outrage gives an unbalanced view of the severity of violence against minorities. They refuse to see the logs in their own eyes for their outrage about the speck in the eyes of others.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time with you on this because you have proven on countless occasions that you have neither the intellectual integrity nor the emotional maturity to engage productively on the subject. I'll just remind you that what organizations and individuals are pointing out is racism that is institutional. One reason we, in 2018, are still struggling with institutional racism is that powerful people continue to be racists, even people whose power largely stems from owning high profile businesses that operate via and profit largely from African American employees.

One of the most visible results of this institutional racism is the impunity with which police can and do murder citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men.

That is one example of many of why our society must punish high profile racists.

And on your blisteringly ignorant, Breitbart-level stupid ideas about shooting figures (I like how in your world BLM 'incites' rather than organizes protests), I'll just leave you with a headline:

Police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, and 46 officers were killed, nationwide in 2017

https://tinyurl.com/ybukmjsl

As long as what you mean by 'punish racists' is boycott/punish economically/make them sell their money making football teams/etc... then I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you want to get rich owning football teams that spend tons of public money and take tons of tax breaks, then I hope you get economically crushed when your racism seeps out in public. But we absolutely cannot punish people legally for racist/sexist public comments.

We can punish Richardson for sexually harassing or racially discriminating against his employees (assuming the employees come forward instead of taking money). If the employees don't come forward but it comes out later then the best we can do is punish him with economic boycotts or a forced sale (for a reported $2.5 Billion. We should all be so punished).

Nothing McNair has said even approached any kind of legal punishment, but I do wish people would boycott to show him you can't just go around saying stuff like that.

Of course not. People are free to say whatever dumbass shit they want.

People are not, however, free to assault employees sexually, which is one of the things Jerry did.

Also, while someone like Donald Sterling or Jerry Richardson (or McNeck) is free to be as big a racists shithead as he wants, the governing body of the league with which his team is affiliated is free to have statutes that discipline certain things that may be perfectly legally permissible in T̶e̶x̶a̶s̶ society at large.

I love how McNeck thinks that pussy grabbing is okey-dokey as long as you pay them off. Christ, I'm ready for these people to gtf away.

It's one of the things he probably did. McNair's attempted point was that rich people pay off things like that because it's cheaper whether they did it or not. Maybe that's true on occasion. Since there was never a trial or even a legal accusation I won't weigh in. Whatever the circumstances it is more than enough that he should immediately lose his football team because of how he represented the NFL. According to the NFL an accusation and no payoff was enough to suspend Ezekiel Elliott for almost half a season. But Elliott is a black 'inmate' so it's no surprise that the 'wardens' hypocrisy allows them to punish him but not themselves.

But defending sexual assault that you are unconnected to is beyond stupid. In what world does a person wake up and say 'today I think I'll remind people that we need to be nicer to that guy who paid off sexual assault allegations.' I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that McNair believes that or the fact that he thinks it's ok to say it. I feel the same way about his inmates comment. I'm stumped by whether it's worse that he's casually racist or if it's worse that he is so comfortable being casually racist and thinks our world will accept it.

I went back to the original SI article about Jerry Richardson and I don't see where his actions merit the word "assault". Is asking a woman how she fits into her tight jeans now "assault"? Crude, yes. But this is simply words, not rape. He would write comments to the ladies in the office about their looks and include a small gift to buy dinner or a dress. Awkward, yes. RAPE??? No.

Richardson did ask for some kinda icky things like asking an employee to come to his suite during a game to massage his feet. But, geez, the guy is in his 80s. She could have easily said 'no'.

Barrett is totally correct that men of wealth and power use money to buy off what, to others, seems rude or indiscreet. People (both sexes) decide if it is worth demeaning themselves to perform their boss' request or lose that "cool job" they have working for a sports team.

I've had to swallow my pride a few times when a boss demanded something I thought was unfair or unreasonable. But I always had the option of telling a boss "screw it" and quitting. So do these folks.

Should a football player get paid a couple of million and endure a few off-color jokes by the boss or should he quit and go back to washing cars or hauling trash? Ask Eric Reed how that's working out.

Unfair? As Jimmy Carter once opined, "Life is unfair".

That's a pathetic take Bob.

When I was talking about intellectual integrity and emotional maturity this was EXACTLY what I was referring to. There's no merit to a response beyond yours.

I agree. I actually typed a longer response addressing parts of his post but then decided it wasn't worth responding.

A typical liberal debate tactic. Don't debate the issue, just hurl insults and impugn character. Well played.

Okay, men of such moral indignation, I would expect you to be consistent and demand that Jim Crane be forced to sell the Astros and to boycott all the Astros sponsors until it happens. You do know, of course, that Crane had EEOC complaints filed against him for racist comments and was accused of striking his son while the son was a minor, don't you? Richard Justice had all the details ready to go if Crane refused to switch leagues.

The SI story comments that they could find NO EEOC complaints against Richardson. Does McNair have any? I don't know but we already know what racists all three of them are so I expect you'll be demanding Crane sell the club. Once a racist, always a racist. Right, Chuck?

Unless you're just hypocrites, of course.

I could gaf about the Astros, Buford, you know that. I am well aware that Crane is an EEOC violating war profiteer. Yes, he hangs out with a better class of politician than does McNeck, but it would not bother me one bit if the league forced him to sell. Of course, the exact opposite happened, the leage allowed him to buy, knowing his foibles, AND they allowed him to finance a not insignificant piece of it. Which was just another FU to people like me already incensed with the forced league change.

So, yeah, Bufie, nice try, but no.

The Dick Justice cum Drayton enforcer is an angle I hadn't heard before, though, and that does interest me. Where did you source that?

I must caution you, sir, that to seize me about my pudendum is considered among people of my society a certain indiscretion, and, if I may be so bold, sir, also rude!

LOL @ Buford.

Who said I'm a liberal? And since when is being against sexual harrassment in the workplace a liberal position? You can't harass your employees, and when you do harass them and you pay them to keep quiet it might come back and get you. That should be common sense and not a political stance.

The fact that your mind makes opposing sexual harassment a liberal stance is disturbing.

WSJ has McNair comments...

Uhh, what? I thought Bill O'Brien wanted Kaepernick at that point and were completely soured on Tom Savage.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/texans-...ark-1522941584

LMAO @ this racist old fool. Once again, a national laughingstock. Kaep's attornies must be laughing themselves sick.

You have to imagine that other owners are calling him like, Yo, Curly, STFU.

Calls Duane Brown a liar and many other players specifically confirm Duane's version. What a fking idiot.