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popanot 10-05-2015 03:39 PM

Official Texans vs. Colts Game Thread, 10/8/2015
 
WMH and/or Arky - Please work your magic on this thread. I just couldn't think of a better place to put this info and it seemed appropriate in the game day thread...

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Mike Chappell ‏@mchappell51 · 14m14 minutes ago
Source: Andrew Luck suffered subluxation of throwing shoulder, has consulted 3 doctors http://bit.ly/1jKjlU9 #indysportscentral
http://indysportscentral.com/2015/10...ted-3-doctors/

Link says Luck's status for TNF is uncertain, which is definitely different than what was reported this weekend in that they were sitting Luck to give him a week of rest so he could play TNF on a short week.

chuck 10-05-2015 03:45 PM

Meanwhile Shorts 3.0 is out indefinitely and Kareem has a concussion. Maybe they'll finally let the third rounder they traded up to get put on a uniform.

WMH 10-05-2015 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 41880)
WMH and/or Arky - Please work your magic on this thread. I just couldn't think of a better place to put this info and it seemed appropriate in the game day thread...



http://indysportscentral.com/2015/10...ted-3-doctors/

Link says Luck's status for TNF is uncertain, which is definitely different than what was reported this weekend in that they were sitting Luck to give him a week of rest so he could play TNF on a short week.

Interesting, especially since they only carry 2 QB's and cut their #2 from last week. I'd guess we'll see Luck, but I guess they could always resign the guy on Wednesday if Luck's prognosis doesn't look so grand. Not like there's a line for his services.

Our WR group is going to be VERY young come Thursday, assuming they won't be able to pick a guy up off the street to be active for a short weeks game.

Arky 10-05-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 41880)
WMH and/or Arky - Please work your magic on this thread. I just couldn't think of a better place to put this info and it seemed appropriate in the game day thread....

No problem. I usually wait till Wednesday when the TV maps come out to add my two cents but anytime anyone wants to start the discussion is fine by me....

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Heard on the radio OB said Mallett will get the start vs. Colts.....

WMH 10-05-2015 05:16 PM

@AaronWilson_NFL Kareem Jackson no longer in NFL concussion testing protocol has been cleared, won't be on injury report

HPF Bob 10-05-2015 09:13 PM

I'm surprised to hear Mallett would start. I'm yo-yoing between Hoyer and Mallett. Do I want the guy with no zip on his fastball or the guy with no on aim his fastball?

WMH 10-05-2015 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 41886)
I'm surprised to hear Mallett would start. I'm yo-yoing between Hoyer and Mallett. Do I want the guy with no zip on his fastball or the guy with no on aim his fastball?

They're both incredibly flawed. Not sure either can solely win or lose a game. If the balance of the team doesn't improve we're screwed either way and coming into a draft with just a couple of top tier QB'S.

Keith 10-05-2015 11:16 PM

Based on players currently rostered, whomever plays QB is moot if this team is down 21-0 barely into the 2nd quarter like they were against the Falcons. This is simply not a high-powered offense.

Shifting away from the QB convo momentarily, the Texans are likely to be missing both Shorts and Washington, which should mean that Strong is active on Thursday.

I think this team really needs Strong to step up in a big way, and not just because these others are hurt. The Texans need a big WR who isn't going to be bumped around. For as great a prospect Hop is, and I like his hands a ton, he isn't the kind of receiver who can impose his will on the field. Hop needs a bigger guy like Strong. He kinda had that in Angry Dre last year (that is, when Andre was interested in playing/putting forth effort in his final season with the Texans).

Ugh, that was hard to type.

Bottom line, I hope Strong emerges from the doghouse and BOB/Godsey get him involved early in the gameplan. I like Mumph ok - he hasn't quite achieved Keyshawn Martin-level disgust from me yet - and Chandler Worthy is not yet worthy of being active, but the team took Strong earlier because he is the bigger, better WR prospect. He is the one the team needs to replace Andre in the offense. For Strong's sake, hopefully he takes over Washington's spot in this game with some authority.

Arky 10-05-2015 11:28 PM

I thought Mumphrey was one of the few bright spots yesterday.... IIRC, he made a difficult catch on 3rd down to get the 1st down and then he caught a pass over the middle and punished the DB that came to tackle him.... I was glad to see that since the Falcon DB's were practically doing the prison thing to our wide receivers and not getting called for it....

Arky 10-06-2015 07:28 AM

Video: Texans vs. Colts preview

Video summary: Luck will probably play, Colts probably favored by about 4, Texans might be good value....

I always find it interesting to hear the objective opinions of non-fans, i.e. outsiders not involved in the media....

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Texans win and they are tied for 1st.

If the Texans lose this one, it's gonna be a long year... History shows that a team can overcome an early season blowout (Atlanta), turn it around and end up having a good year but I'm not sure the Texans can do this... Take the seemingly talented defense - has the coaching staff turned them into dysfunctional glob of poo? Have they had too much put on their plate or been given too much to process (i.e. KJ at Safety)? I dunno, but the time to get it together would be right now.....

nunusguy 10-06-2015 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 41886)
I'm surprised to hear Mallett would start. I'm yo-yoing between Hoyer and Mallett. Do I want the guy with no zip on his fastball or the guy with no on aim his fastball?

Were we better off with Kirpatrick ? And the defense, if its also regressed why ? Don't we have basically the same defensive personnel this year as we had in 2014 ?

WMH 10-06-2015 08:12 AM

Adam Wexler ‏@awexler 6m6 minutes ago
Adam Wexler Retweeted Chester M. Pitts II
Luck is the only QB worse than Mallett in passer rating. Mallett: 65.3 (33rd), Luck: 65.1 (34th-last)

HPF Bob 10-06-2015 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arky (Post 41889)
I thought Mumphrey was one of the few bright spots yesterday.... IIRC, he made a difficult catch on 3rd down to get the 1st down and then he caught a pass over the middle and punished the DB that came to tackle him.... I was glad to see that since the Falcon DB's were practically doing the prison thing to our wide receivers and not getting called for it....

I remember the hit Mumphrey took and the flag came out. He gave out more than he got and I said to those around me, given the way the refs were killing us "What do you bet they'll flag us for hitting the defenseless defender?" Instead, they just picked up the flag.

This was the same crew that worked the Chiefs game where we similarly screwed on seemingly every call. We aren't a good enough team to win when two teams are against us. Granted, they made a lot of bad plays all on their very own but it seemed every good play was greeted with some ticky tack foul to negate the results,

That's why I say if the NFL were serious about punishing the Patriots, all they have to do is assign the same crew that works the Texans games and negates every positive play. Watch every catch by Gronk negated by some holding or hand-to-the-face bs. That'll fix them.

Warren 10-06-2015 12:42 PM

Last year the Texans led the league with 34 takeaways. So far this year they're tied for last place with two. Fewer takeaways means fewer short fields for an offense that needs all the help that it can get.

Not sure to what the big difference should be attributed. From a personnel standpoint, Pickett, Powe, Reed, Mohamed, Swearinger, K. Lewis, and Manning are gone and Wilfork, Covington, Clowney, McKinney, Demps, Moore, and K. Johnson have been added.

WMH 10-07-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WMH (Post 41882)
Interesting, especially since they only carry 2 QB's and cut their #2 from last week. I'd guess we'll see Luck, but I guess they could always resign the guy on Wednesday if Luck's prognosis doesn't look so grand. Not like there's a line for his services.

And looks like that's what they have done.

INDIANAPOLIS COLTS MAKE ROSTER MOVES
Posted by coltsindianapolis on October 7, 2015 – 10:56 am

The Indianapolis Colts today signed free agent quarterback Josh Johnson and placed cornerback Jalil Brown on the Injured Reserve list.

WMH 10-07-2015 10:24 AM

Hmmmmm.....

Truth, or cat and mouse?

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2m2 minutes ago
#Colts still expect Andrew Luck to start vs #Texans. Re-signed Josh Johnson because backup Matt Hasselbeck has been sick.

WMH 10-07-2015 01:17 PM

Zak Keefer ‏@zkeefer 10m10 minutes ago
Andrew Luck officially questionable for Thursday's game, along with Anderson, Davis, Hasselbeck, Adams. Jerrell Freeman ruled out.

#Texans OUT Thu vs Colts: Demps, Dent, Grimes, Shorts, Washington.
QUEST: Ballentine, Mercilus, Polk

Arky 10-07-2015 03:31 PM

The 2-2 Indianapolis Colts pay a visit to NRG stadium Thursday night to take on the 1-3 Texans in an AFC South matchup. The Colts defeated the Jacksonville Jaguars last Sunday 16-13 in overtime at home while an injured Andrew Luck sat the bench.

The Texans most recently lost 48-21 to the Atlanta Falcons in a road game.

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TV = CBS/NFLN, 7:25 pm CST, Thursday

Announcers = Jim Nantz, Phil Simms

The line = pending*

*I've seen it Texans by 1 and Colts by 1 in random places. The majority are waiting on Luck's official status...

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Sunday viewing in the Houston area:

CBS (early) = Buffalo @ Tennessee -- Andrew Catalon, Steve Beuerlein, Steve Tasker

FOX (early) = New Orleans @ Philadelphia -- Thom Brennaman, Charles Davis, Tony Siragusa

CBS (late) = New England @ Dallas -- Jim Nantz, Phil Simms

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Prime time:

SNF = San Francisco @ NY Giants, NBC

MNF = Pittsburgh @ San Diego, ESPN

Nconroe 10-07-2015 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren (Post 41894)
Last year the Texans led the league with 34 takeaways. So far this year they're tied for last place with two. Fewer takeaways means fewer short fields for an offense that needs all the help that it can get.

Not sure to what the big difference should be attributed. From a personnel standpoint, Pickett, Powe, Reed, Mohamed, Swearinger, K. Lewis, and Manning are gone and Wilfork, Covington, Clowney, McKinney, Demps, Moore, and K. Johnson have been added.

Maybe our safeties contributed more than we realized last year. Or our ILB and CB just facing different competition. Still early i guess.

Probably our QB being sacked more than last year as well.

So takeways and sacks are two big indicators of success or failure.

WMH 10-08-2015 08:23 AM

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 23m23 minutes ago
Colts undecided which QB will play tonight; would not be a surprise if Matt Hasselbeck does, Andrew Luck doesn't.

popanot 10-08-2015 08:29 AM

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter · 24m24 minutes ago
Colts undecided which QB will play tonight; would not be a surprise if Matt Hasselbeck does, Andrew Luck doesn't.
Can the D rebound against geezer Hasselbeck? Oh, the drama!! I'm sure the rest of the country cannot wait to watch this hot mess of a game.

nunusguy 10-08-2015 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by popanot (Post 41903)
Can the D rebound against geezer Hasselbeck? Oh, the drama!! I'm sure the rest of the country cannot wait to watch this hot mess of a game.

We know we can't beat the Colts in Indy no matter who they play at QB, but can we beat them at our place if they don't have Luck ? If we go against a non-Luck QB tonight and lose, this season is definitely down the tubes.

WMH 10-08-2015 08:55 AM

I'm just hoping Mallet calms down a bit. I have a feeling OB's patience is wearing thin, and the kids about to get the hook. Can't say I blame him, but I really wanted him to turn out decent.

Whether or not Luck plays doesn't really concern me for this week. He's not 100%, so his "magic" will be limited. We'd likely beat ourselves before he'd beat us.

WMH 10-08-2015 09:45 AM

What a mess this will be if they choke....

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
Updated: Colts' QB Matt Hassebleck was in emergency room until 2 am TUESDAY, dealing with virus he's still feeling. From hospital to start.

HPF Bob 10-08-2015 12:09 PM

Maybe the Colts can get Gary Hogeboom or Art Schlichter.

Whoever the Colts start, I want to see them in a Watt-Clowney sandwich during the first quarter, even if it's after the whistle. Their OL is supposedly a wreck and if we apply QB pressure early, they will have to account for it the rest of the night.

Say, if the Texans win, don't they leapfrog into first in their division? The AFC Suck Division?

HPF Bob 10-08-2015 12:19 PM

Pro Football Focus Ranks All 32 Offensive Lines After 4 Weeks:
 
16. Houston Texans (5th)

Pass blocking rank: 9th

Run blocking rank: 24th

Penalties ranks: 2nd

Stud: If his name isn’t already in the conversation, the start to 2015 proves Brandon Brooks (+5.7) needs to be regarded as one of the best guards in the game.

Dud: Switching between guard and tackle hasn’t helped, but Derek Newton (-10.9) has reverted to his 2013 level of play, rather than following up on his strong 2014 contract year.

Summary: Getting Duane Brown back will prove big, because without him and center Chris Myers, the line looked very unlike the one that finished in the top 5 last year. Still, there are plenty of question marks as they break in new talent.

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19. Indianapolis Colts (17th)

Pass blocking rank: 18th

Run blocking rank: 16th

Penalties rank: 21st

Stud: Second-year starter Jack Mewhort (+2.4) has played well, whether at guard or tackle. That’s a valuable trait to have.

Dud: One of the most dominating guards in the run game in his prime, it’s a little sad to see Todd Herremans (-9.1) struggling so much in that regard right now.

Summary: The interior has struggled to find the right combination as they’ve coped with injuries. The tackles haven’t played up to their capability (in the case of Anthony Castonzo, at least). So, while it hasn’t been bad, they haven’t continued on from the progress of 2014, and their struggles, as a result, have been highlighted by the sluggish start to the year for Andrew Luck.

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Interesting that the rankings have the entire AFC Suck Division (tm) all in a row. 16. Houston, 17. Tennessee, 18. Jackassville 19. Indy

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...tering-week-5/

WMH 10-08-2015 12:32 PM

Pro Football Focus
‏@PFF
Most air yards lost due to drops so far:

1. C Newton (139)
2. S Bradford (133)
3. B Bortles (118)
4. R Mallett (112)
5. C Palmer (92)

chuck 10-08-2015 12:39 PM

I wonder if RAC will try to rush JJ through the A gaps to try to take advantage of Indy's poor inside line play.

Keith 10-08-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck (Post 41910)
I wonder if RAC will try to rush JJ through the A gaps to try to take advantage of Indy's poor inside line play.

I want to see RAC use JJ and Clowney on the same side more often and overload the protection. Splitting them on opposite sides to meet at the QB seems to be doing the opposing offense a favor.

Arky 10-08-2015 06:19 PM

Texan inactives:

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S Quintin Demps
ILB Akeem Dent
RB Jonathan Grimes
WR Cecil Shorts III
WR Nate Washington
OLB Kourtnei Brown
C Greg Mancz

Demps and Washington both suffered hamstring injuries in Sunday's game at Atlanta and exited early. Keith Mumphery will start for Washington at wide receiver.

Warren 10-08-2015 06:36 PM

Luck is inactive.

Warren 10-08-2015 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 41910)
I wonder if RAC will try to rush JJ through the A gaps to try to take advantage of Indy's poor inside line play.

He has had Clowney rush from a two-point stance over the guard before.

chuck 10-08-2015 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 41914)
He has had Clowney rush from a two-point stance over the guard before.

I've seen that. I specifically asked for JJ because Clowney is so valuable outside against the run and because JJ is more explosive out of a three-point stance which is what I would like to see.

Arky 10-08-2015 07:35 PM

Opening kickoff goes to the Texans and is downed in the end zone, touchback.

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Texan's ball at their 20.

Foster for 5.

Foster goes left for 3. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Foster gets 2 and the 1st down.

Foster for 7.

Mallett pressured, goes for no gain. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass to Foster over the middle good for 7 and the 1st down.

Blue for about 4.

Pass to Hopkins good for about 10 and a 1st down at the Colt 41.

Blue for 1.

Pass to Hop gets 7. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Pass over the middle to Foster gets 9 and the 1st down at the Colt 24.

Blue for 5.

Pass to Mumphrey down the sideline sails out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass off the hands of Foster is INT'ed. Ball is brought back to the Colt 44 yard line.

Arky 10-08-2015 07:41 PM

Colts ball at their 44.

Gore goes for 20.

Gore for 2. Ball at the Texan 34.

Pass to Fleener good for 4. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass goes inc but flag on JJo for illegal contact. Whoa, refs pick up the flag..... Colts go for the FG.

Vinatieri's 48 yarder is good.

Colts 3, Texans 0

Arky 10-08-2015 07:51 PM

6:28 left in the 1st qtr.

Ensuing kickoff is downed in the end zone, touchback.

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Texan's ball at their 20.

Foster loses 1.

Foster gains 1 but flag is down. Illegal shift on Texans is declined. Brings up 3rd and 10.

Pass to Hop gets 14 and the 1st down.

Foster loses 4.

Eeesh, dumpoff to Foster loses 5.

Polk on the draw only gets about 5 or 6. Texans have to punt.

Colts bring the punt back to their 35. Penalty on KJ2 for going out of bounds... Gives the Colts a 1st and 10 at their 40 yard line.

Arky 10-08-2015 07:55 PM

Colt's ball at their 40 with 3:22 left in the 1st qtr.

Gore for 11.

Gore for 4 or 5.

Short pass to Moncrief gets a couple but facemask on Bouye adds 15. Ball at the Texan 27.

Pass to AJ goes for 23. 1st and goal.

Pass to Doyle in the end zone off his hands, inc. 2nd and goal coming up.

Pass to AJ good for the TD.

Colts 10, Texans 0

1:22 left in the 1st qtr.

popanot 10-08-2015 08:04 PM

Just pathetic.

Arky 10-08-2015 08:04 PM

The ensuing kickoff is downed in the end zone, touchback.

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Texan's ball at their 20.

Pass to Mumphrey good for 8.

Blue for 3 and the 1st down.

Blue for 3.

End of the 1st qtr.

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On 2nd and 7, Blue for about 6. 3rd and 1 coming up.

QB sneaks goes nowhere. Texans will have to punt.

Punt goes out of bounds at the Colt 30 yard line.

Arky 10-08-2015 08:19 PM

Colt's ball at their 30.

Gore for 5.

Pass to Hilton goes for 12.

Gore for 2.

Gore for no gain.

Timeout Texans with 11:28 left in the half.

On 3rd and 8, handoff to Tipton goes for almost 8.....measurement....inches short. Colts to go for it on 4th down....

Short pass to AJ goes for the 1st down. Gain of about 7....

Pass to Moncrief goes for 18 but flag on the Colts for a chop block, -15. Makes it 1st and 25. Ball at the Texan 49.

Gore for almost 3.

Hasselbeck's pass is off the hands of Moncrief, inc. 3rd and 22 coming up.

Pass to Hilton good for a nice gain and a flag on JJ for roughing the passer. Places the ball at the 16.

Nice play by Clowney to take down Gore for a loss of 4. 2nd and 14 coming up.

Pass to Hilton at the sideline gets 11. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Pass over the middle to Hilton is dropped but flag is down.... two penalties against the Colts.... Colts will go for the FG...

Vinatieri's 42-yarder is good.

Colts 13, Texans 0

7:37 left in the half.


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