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Keith 04-26-2008 08:01 PM

Your 2008 NFL Draft LIVE Thread! [Day Two]
 
Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

Roy P 04-26-2008 08:37 PM

I'm looking at Carl Nicks (not going to happen after reaching for Duane Brown), Cliff Avril (doubtful with Shaun Thompson), Dre Moore, Andre Caldwell, Marcus Howard (see Avril), Jeremy Thompson, Jeremy Zuttah (see Nicks), Charles Godfrey, Quentin Demps, Antwaun Molden, and Tashard Choice.

I'd probably take Dre Moore (I've been saying that all along) but wouldn't mind Jeremy Thompson. However, the Texans are probably going to take Godfrey or Molden. That wouldn't be too bad, in my opinion.

OldManBernie 04-26-2008 08:42 PM

Day 2 starts off with a bang with 2 3rd round picks. I like Kevin Smith's running style and durability. I also kind of like Tashard Choice in the later rounds. Both backs fit the Texans' running style pretty well.

IMO, nobody really stands out from the CB class. It's a bit of a crapshoot between guys like Justin King, Charles Godfrey and Antwaun Molden. They're all good prospects, but who knows how they'll develop.

I think it's a good time to find a good pass rusher to compliment Mario. I like Chris Ellis with either picks in the 3rd round assuming he doesn't have any medical red flags.

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

Roy P 04-26-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManBernie (Post 251)
It's a bit of a crapshoot between guys like Justin King, Charles Godfrey and Antwaun Molden. They're all good prospects, but who knows how they'll develop.

I think it's a good time to find a good pass rusher to compliment Mario. I like Chris Ellis with either picks in the 3rd round assuming he doesn't have any medical red flags.

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

That's why I wanted to select a CB in the 1st round. It's a coin flip between Godfrey and Molden in my opinion with a slight edge to Godfrey. However, because there are two prospects, I'd hope to get one with my 2nd pick in the 3rd round @ #89.

Luckily, we have an extra 3rd round pick from the Ravens, so Jeremy Thompson is too tempting to let slide @ #79. If you put Thompson on the DL with TJ, Amobi, and Mario - we might not have to blitz and could play more Zone coverage.

I'm shocked that Connor is still on the board. Somebody is going to be VERY happy when they are able to draft him tomorrow. I'd guess St. Louis, Detroit, Atlanta, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City, or San Francisco is going to get a steal.

OldManBernie 04-26-2008 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 255)
That's why I wanted to select a CB in the 1st round. It's a coin flip between Godfrey and Molden in my opinion with a slight edge to Godfrey. However, because there are two prospects, I'd hope to get one with my 2nd pick in the 3rd round @ #89.

Luckily, we have an extra 3rd round pick from the Ravens, so Jeremy Thompson is too tempting to let slide @ #79. If you put Thompson on the DL with TJ, Amobi, and Mario - we might not have to blitz and could play more Zone coverage.

I'm shocked that Connor is still on the board. Somebody is going to be VERY happy when they are able to draft him tomorrow. I'd guess St. Louis, Detroit, Atlanta, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City, or San Francisco is going to get a steal.

It'd be great to have a front 4 that can put consistent pressure on the opposing QB or having another effective blitzer outside of DeMeco. I think that would automatically put us in the top half in passing defense, even with Reeves and Bennett at CB. Thompson strikes me as a situational pass rusher type, does he have every down potential?

Roy P 04-26-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManBernie (Post 257)
Thompson strikes me as a situational pass rusher type, does he have every down potential?

He is like the two guys that I really like (Cliff Avril and Marcus Howard) who can play OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then put his hand on the ground on 3rd down when we slide Mario or the other DE inside.
I'm talking about Chaun Thompson.

Are you talking about Jeremy? He's an every down DE.

OldManBernie 04-26-2008 09:35 PM

oh... I forgot to add, I would love to take a look at Frank Okam in the 3rd round. I know we have already drafted 2 DTs in the 1st round in the past, but his combination of size and athleticism doesn't come around very often. I think he has the versatility to play both 1 or 2-gap at the DT. Considering our LBs are a bit on the smallish side, it might be a good idea to have that big 2-gap guy that can engage 2 blockers at a time.

OldManBernie 04-26-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 259)
He is like the two guys that I really like (Cliff Avril and Marcus Howard) who can play OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then put his hand on the ground on 3rd down when we slide Mario or the other DE inside.

I don't know how good he'd be at run support on 1st and 2nd down. Did he play LB at all in college?

Roy P 04-26-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManBernie (Post 261)
I don't know how good he'd be at run support on 1st and 2nd down. Did he play LB at all in college?

I think we are getting confused between the OLB we have Chaun Thompson and the DE I want Jeremy Thompson.

OldManBernie 04-26-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 263)
I think we are getting confused between the OLB we have Chaun Thompson and the DE I want Jeremy Thompson.

Yeah I got confused... It'd be a real plus if Chaun Thompson can be a good blitzing LB. I see he had 5 sacks in 2005.

How do you think Chris Ellis compares with Jeremy Thompson? I like Chris Ellis's numbers in college, and he looks like he has a good motor.

Mike 04-27-2008 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 247)
Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

I think that CB will be one of them also. Sometime tomorrow we will get the RB, not sure if it will be in the third. Not sure if I am over not taking Mendenhall yet, but I'll hold judgement until after the dust settles and see what how the selections turn out.

Owen Daniels, Fred Bennett, Diles.. I'll give this regime slack.

gunn 04-27-2008 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManBernie (Post 251)

Also, if he isn't picked by the time Texans pick, Dan Connor would be a great value pick.

I like your other possibilities, but put me down as "not a Dan Conner fan". I've never been impressed with the guy.

Keith 04-27-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 247)
I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

Crapjackers. Lions traded up to take Smith with the first pick on Day Two. :mad:

Keith 04-27-2008 09:15 AM

Aw hell. And there goes Godfrey to the Panthers.

popanot 04-27-2008 09:16 AM

There goes my RB, Kevin Smith. Can't wait to see a gimp Chris Brown, a gimp Chris Taylor, a gimp grandpa Ahmad Green, a fat snail Dayne (yes, he'll probably end up on the roster knowing how the coaches - for some strange reason - love the guy), and a midget Darius Walker running behind this 'project' OL. Should be another a fun year for Schaub.

Oh well... Maybe the Texans will finally appease the Orangebloods and draft Charles.

popanot 04-27-2008 09:37 AM

There goes Charles to KC. Unbelievable how some teams see the value in having two good, young RBs on the roster while we just fill the position with fodder. Go ahead, give me the Broncos example and I'll tell you the last time they won a Superbowl they had a HOFer at RB. In addition, they're constantly looking for replacements. That should tell you the theory is flawed.

Roy P 04-27-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManBernie (Post 266)
How do you think Chris Ellis compares with Jeremy Thompson? I like Chris Ellis's numbers in college, and he looks like he has a good motor.

Ellis was originally a player that I would have put into the same catagory as Avril, Howard, and Chaun Thompson - just by looking at his height/weight/speed. Then when I saw him play, he looks lost. He doesn't have the instincts or football IQ that I want. So, he is off my draft board. I'll let somebody else overdraft him.

Jeremy Thompson has a motor, better size to play DE, is strong against the run, plays disciplined, and could develop into a better pass-rusher.

popanot 04-27-2008 09:41 AM

Texans coming up... Whatchathink, Roy???

popanot 04-27-2008 09:47 AM

Antwaun Molden - CB. Seems to be a pretty solid pick based on his measureables.

http://cle.scout.com/2/744348.html

Warren 04-27-2008 09:51 AM

Was at Toledo before transferring to Eastern Kentucky. Great athlete -- 23 reps and sub-4.4 40 at the combine -- long arms, can jump, solid tackler. Raw and may lack instincts..

Warren 04-27-2008 09:58 AM

According to popanot's link, he's more of a press guy than a zone corner. So far they're definitely sticking with guys that fit their systems.

Roy P 04-27-2008 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 250)
I'm looking at Carl Nicks (not going to happen after reaching for Duane Brown), Cliff Avril (doubtful with Shaun Thompson), Dre Moore, Andre Caldwell, Marcus Howard (see Avril), Jeremy Thompson, Jeremy Zuttah (see Nicks), Charles Godfrey, Quentin Demps, Antwaun Molden, and Tashard Choice.

I'd probably take Dre Moore (I've been saying that all along) but wouldn't mind Jeremy Thompson. However, the Texans are probably going to take Godfrey or Molden. That wouldn't be too bad, in my opinion.

Well Nicks was still available. I'd have loved a combo of Cason and Nicks with the first 2 picks.

Godfrey was off the board, so Molden was the BPCBA when we picked.

bullrush 04-27-2008 10:05 AM

Here is Mayocks thoughts of Molden

Antwaun Molden, Eastern Kentucky

6-0 3/4, 198

40 time: 4.39

Projected round: 2

Mayock: "If you take the measurables of [Dominique] Rodgers-Cromartie and Molden, they're almost identical. They're both small-school guys from the same conference [Ohio Valley]. Yet Cromartie is considered a top-15 pick and this kid isn't. Why? Cromartie played in the Senior Bowl and Molden didn't. But if you just look at the tapes, you'd say Molden was a better player.''

Roy P 04-27-2008 10:07 AM

I said that a few weeks ago. Molden also needs to be more of a football player and less of a "track guy" in pads.

Roy P 04-27-2008 10:09 AM

I can understand why Carl Nicks is sliding (character), but for the life of me, I can't figure out why Cliff Avril is still on the board.

Or WR Andre Caldwell and DT Dre Moore, for that matter.

HPF Bob 04-27-2008 10:13 AM

We're up.

(tick tick tick)

bullrush 04-27-2008 10:14 AM

Steve Slaton

popanot 04-27-2008 10:14 AM

Here we go...

Steve Slaton! Fogrgot about him... I'm starting to like this draft!

HPF Bob 04-27-2008 10:15 AM

Steve Slaton, RB, ...fast but fragile. This is the guy we got for the trade down.

HPF Bob 04-27-2008 10:16 AM

I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:)

popanot 04-27-2008 10:21 AM

I would have preferred any of the RBs that went ahead of Slayton, but the guy is probably an upgrade over Walker and has the potential to turn into a homerun hitter.

Roy P 04-27-2008 10:24 AM

I was thinking we could wait on Tashard Choice or even later to get Thomas Brown or Jalen Parmele. Slaton is a 3rd down - change of pace back.

Mike 04-27-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 306)
I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:)

Beat me to it, but he IS a homerun threat. Not saying our line blew gaping holes last year, but "Ronnie" had some 15-25 yard runs where he was caught from behind or somone had an angle on him that someone with wheels would have taken it to the house.

HPF Bob 04-27-2008 10:47 AM

I think that's the key here. Slaton has the home run capability that most of the other backs don't and this is something our present roster collectively lacks. You can run a guy like Walker or Brown on the first two downs and turn to a guy like Slaton in the 3rd & 4-6 and see if he can bust a run or take a swing pass and get in space.

Remember all the fantasizing around here two years ago about Reggie Bush? Slaton does the same thing for a third-round price - maybe not as spectacularly as Bush but I think it's pretty obvious that Bush is a third-round talent with first-round hype.

If Slaton stays within himself, I think he'll be a great pick. If the Texans try to turn him into an everyday back, I think he'll be a disapppointment.

Warren 04-27-2008 10:47 AM

We'll see if Slaton runs as effectively inside as Brian Westbrook, a RB of comparable size, which would allow him to be more than a 3rd down/change-of-pace guy.

gunn 04-27-2008 10:57 AM

Slaton reminds me of a player like Clinton Portis when he was coming out of Miami.

Vinny 04-27-2008 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 247)
Let's keep it going with Day Two discussion in this thread.

I gotta believe that running back and cornerback are going to get heavy consideration with the next couple picks. I've kinda had my eye on Kevin Smith.

all hail the swami...two of three ain't bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 306)
I think this is a good third-down back. I wouldn't make him a franchise back.:)

a Chris Brown type selection with a bit more speed and quickness...good back to have in for screens and passing situations. Gibbs remembers how many big plays his last smallish quick rookie rb, Jerious Norwood had..

chuck 04-27-2008 11:24 AM

Well, the team gets the LT they wanted, a CB with excellent measurables and then Steve Slaton for free. Throw in a starting QB with the second round pick and this is looking like a pretty good draft from the outset.

gunn 04-27-2008 11:31 AM

Maybe Marcus Howard from Georgia here at #118 for the Texans.

Roy P 04-27-2008 11:46 AM

Dre Moore and Q. Demps are off the board.

I like Marcus Howard, DeMario Pressley, Bryan Kehl, Ben Moffitt, Paul Hubbard, Stanford Kegler, or Wesley Woodyard.


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