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nunusguy 08-13-2013 11:13 AM

Voters will get to decide fate of Astrodome
 
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A $217 million bond authorization that would pay to turn the iconic Astrodome into a convention and exhibit hall is officially headed to Harris County voters.

Harris County Commissioners Court on Tuesday ordered a November bond election for the renovation, and also approved $8 million for asbestos abatement, selective demolition and other work county staff says needs to be done on the vacant stadium whether it is revamped or torn down.

That includes allowing the county purchasing agent to inventory and sell Dome-related "sports memorabilia," including signs.

If the referendum passes and the county chooses to issue the entire bond amount, county budget staff have said it would increase the average property tax bill by $8 a year.

That's for a home valued at $200,000, minus a $40,000 homestead exemption.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...php?cmpid=hpbn
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I will be sprinting to the polls in November when they open to vote this sukker down ! More 1st rate politicians with a 4th rate business idea.

HPF Bob 08-13-2013 06:12 PM

As a longtime Houston sports fan who remembers the Dome when it truly was the Eighth Wonder of the World, I sincerely hope a way is found to breathe new life into the Astrodome so it can stay intact and a vibrant part of the community.

However, as someone who no longer lives in the Houston area, it's not my place to tell the voters how they should respond. It won't be my tax money they will be spending. I am glad, though, that the voters will finally get a say in the fate of the historic icon. It has waited way too long.

Nconroe 08-13-2013 08:36 PM

I sure have a lot of good memories of Astrodome starting with seeing Astros play there in 1965.

So, I hope there is good use found for the Dome.

I don't live in Harris County either so can't vote either.

Have they said what happens if bond issue fails?

nunusguy 08-14-2013 12:55 PM

Sounds like both of you have the luxury of clinging to sentimental memories of the old Dome while not being in the position of being a Houston/Harris Co taxpayer who
would be stuck with subsidizing and sustaining the existence of a fiscal fiasco.

Keith 08-14-2013 01:58 PM

I am not a Harris County voter either, but since there is already venue in the same parking lot that can be used as a convention hall (not to mention the GRB downtown), why is another one necessary? Seriously asking... haven't been keeping up with this.

Seems to me the Texans could use the extra real estate for parking, which would generate some revenue since so many fans seem to enjoy gameday traffic without a ticket for the game itself. Sure a new convention venue would generate more revenue, but the A/C bill on the Dome alone must be pretty expensive too.

painekiller 08-15-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 34614)
I will be sprinting to the polls in November when they open to vote this sukker down ! More 1st rate politicians with a 4th rate business idea.

i agree with this thought

nunusguy 09-13-2013 06:44 AM

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Reliant Park and Harris County officials on Thursday announced the launch of a campaign to garner voter support for a plan to redevelop the Astrodome, with Harris County Judge Ed Emmett and Precinct 1 Commissioner El Franco Lee each pledging $5,000 to the effort.

A referendum to fund the project will appear on the ballot this November. If approved, the county would issue up to $217 million in bonds to turn the now-vacant stadium into "The New Dome Experience," an energy-efficient event center flanked by an "inviting" outdoor green space.
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Officials from Harris County, which owns the Dome and Reliant Park, and the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation, the agency that oversees the complex and conceived the renovation plan, will drive the campaign, along with a coalition of local and national historic preservation groups keen on saving the structure.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news...gn-4810625.php
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Usual line-up of suspects here, including the fat-cats like Emmett who already "manage" the fiscal affairs of Harris country, who are pushing this deal. We all know that there's never been any project for the Dome that's made economic sense to the private sector, that's why it's stood vacant all these years.
I saw a story on the national TV news this week about some of the nations largest municipalities including Chicago & Philly that may be right behind Detroit in terms of their futures fiscally speaking, so if you are a Houston taxpayer and you like that kind of publicity for your home town on the 5:30 news I suggest you vote for this project in November. But if you don't want to add more debt to the citys balance sheet for something that's not economically feasible, say "NO" to the referendum in November !

HPF Bob 09-13-2013 09:12 AM

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flanked by an "inviting" outdoor green space.
Translation: something that isn't concrete or asphalt.

Keith 10-21-2013 04:50 PM


WMH 10-23-2013 11:44 AM

I don't live "in" Houston, so I don't really have a dog in the tax game hunt, but man, that would be pretty cool if they could pull it off.

We went up to NE for the playoff game, and we were all pretty impressed with Patriots place. It seems that video is along the same lines.

Nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to have to pay for it....

nunusguy 10-26-2013 10:21 AM

Speaking of the upcoming elections in Houston, the incumbent mayor has sure gone negative on Ben Hall, so he's obviously her main competitor or she certainly seems to think he is. She's just completing her second term, yet I've seen nothing positive about any achievements she thinks she might have had up to now ? I'm starting to fill sorry for ole Ben, they are really bashing that guy.

Keith 10-29-2013 11:25 AM

Dumping this here instead of starting a new Astrodome thread...

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Astrodome seats, turf, turnstiles, and other memorabilia are being pulled out of the iconic building Monday for a sale and auction to be held at Reliant Center Saturday.

Larger items are headed for auction, while smaller items will be sold at a fixed price. Registration for the auction begins at 7 a.m. The sale begins at 8 a.m.

Highlights of the sale include roughly 500 pairs of seats to be sold for $200 per pair. A 12 inch by 12 inch piece of turf will go for $20. There's a limit of four pairs of seats (eight seats total) per person and a limit of four squares of turf per person. ...
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...#photo-5379661

nunusguy 11-06-2013 07:08 AM

So that's about a quarter Bill less $s that the politicians/bureaucrats will have to pocket, so take a pic if you want to remember, 'cause it's Dome Down ! Yipeee !

HPF Bob 11-06-2013 09:36 AM

If there was a politician anywhere who wasn't going to spend the money on something more worthless, I might celebrate but a renovated dome was something I might have actually benefited from.

I guess they can put the money toward a battered womens shelter since Jim Crane ran out on the last one.

nunusguy 11-06-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 36111)
If there was a politician anywhere who wasn't going to spend the money on something more worthless, I might celebrate but a renovated dome was something I might have actually benefited from.

You might have somehow benefited Bob, but easy for an Austin resident to say since there's not the down side for you that there is for us who live in Harris County/Houston who are stuck with the debt service on the Bonds.
And check out below the "benefit" we taxpayers got for that 100 million plus
bonds the politicians floated 4 or 5 years ago. Yea, local taxpayers did the right thing yesterday.
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HOUSTON (FOX 26) -
For the first time, a cruise ship has set sail from its home port at the controversial Bayport Cruise Terminal.

The Caribbean Princess cast off, Tuesday evening, for a four-day cruise to Progresso, Mexico.

Better late than never for an inaugural cruise at the Port of Houston's Bayport Terminal, which was built with bond money and completed in 2009 at a cost of $108 million.

For the better part of four years, the terminal sat unused – until now.




Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/23...#ixzz2jsimoWMN

HPF Bob 11-06-2013 11:52 AM

Who thought it was a winning idea to sail your first/last half-hour of a cruise viewing the scenic and romantic Houston Ship Channel with its noxious gases from Pasadena and Baytown? I could have told them that wouldn't fly.

nunusguy 11-06-2013 12:10 PM

The results of the Dome vote was at the very least a mild surprise, and one of the more interesting post election analysis I've heard was that the Ben Hall "turnout" was very instrumental in producing those results.

popanot 11-06-2013 03:05 PM

I went to the dome many times and watched a great deal of Oilers and Astros games as well as a few concerts. Fond memories, indeed. However, my lasting impression of the dome will forever be the dilapidated carcass it became after it was abandoned and the ensuing cesspool it became after Katrina. That mess of a facility should have been torn down 10+ years ago. Now, I'm all for a developer coming in and building a nice green space and possibly putting a quality hotel or two there. I certainly think those two things would help us get on the Super Bowl rotation more often.

nunusguy 11-07-2013 09:23 AM

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Astrodome, Adios
Houston voters show their good architectural judgment.
Conservatives believe in preserving what is good and true, including some classic architecture, but then there is the Houston Astrodome. The nation's first large covered sports stadium, which opened in 1965, may be razed after Houston voters on Tuesday rejected a $217 million bond measure to fix up the creaking place.

Congratulations to Houstonians on their fiscal wisdom and architectural judgment. Though born of Texas bravado, the Astrodome was always a lousy sports venue—too cavernous for baseball, and football should be played outdoors. Houston's sports teams have abandoned the Dome, and the fire marshal has declared it unsafe to use even for rodeos and livestock shows.

Rather than waste taxpayer money for renovations, better to tear the place down and put up something else. The Astrodome is not the Alamo.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...82311210206636

Nconroe 11-07-2013 03:05 PM

I agree with thoughts Popanot had. Seem final decisions should happen fairly soon.

HPF Bob 11-07-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 36125)

Well, I wouldn't expect a bunch of New York assholes to understand anyway. They wouldn't save a history-filled landmark like Yankee Stadium so **************** them.

Two major flaws in this excerpt. Baseball and football are largely still being played indoors in Houston so that's shitty logic. We have something called Texas heat down here. Without a roof, people wouldn't show up. Second, the "replacement" is going to be a parking lot, not some new building.

By the way, New Yorkers, I hope you get 20 feet of snow for your Super Bowl. I'd love every minute of that. Or maybe another "superstorm" for you to whine like little babies about.

chuck 11-07-2013 08:22 PM

Since the Texans obviously aren't going to be playing I would love to see horrible weather as a nice payback to the league's arrogance.

And while we're talking about it I guess I'm the only one who isn't all that impressed when Houston gets Super Bowls. It annoys me for several reasons, not least of which is that McNair gets to swan around and act like he's worth a shit.

nunusguy 11-08-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 36127)
Well, I wouldn't expect a bunch of New York assholes to understand anyway. They wouldn't save a history-filled landmark like Yankee Stadium so **************** them.

Two major flaws in this excerpt. Baseball and football are largely still being played indoors in Houston so that's shitty logic. We have something called Texas heat down here. Without a roof, people wouldn't show up. Second, the "replacement" is going to be a parking lot, not some new building.

By the way, New Yorkers, I hope you get 20 feet of snow for your Super Bowl. I'd love every minute of that. Or maybe another "superstorm" for you to whine like little babies about.

Hey Bob, quit behaving like a small-town, parochial Texas hick who never read anything beyond the Austin Statesman. The Wall Street Journal's geographic headquarters is incidental to it's ranking as arguably the most prominent media voice of conservatism on the face of the globe, and that includes a philosophy of fiscal responsibility and discipline which I doubt most of Austin's asshole lefties relate to but is the primary reason why we Houston taxpayers sacked the ill-advised Dome Bond Issue. Now tear down the freaking ugly-azz Dome already !

HPF Bob 11-08-2013 10:09 AM

I'm familiar with the WSJ. It doesn't mean I can't call them out when they are wrong.

chuck 11-08-2013 11:17 AM

Right around the time the comics in other papers ceased to be funny the Journal's editorial page became downright hilarious so it worked out great for me.

Nconroe 11-10-2013 11:34 AM

Houston voted down the Dome bond issue. Doesn't matter if Houston voters or elsewhere are liberal, conservative or independent.

But that WSJ article seemed poor, uninformed quality.

nunusguy 11-11-2013 10:03 AM

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Still, this might not be the stadium's last inning.

"There's a chance," said Willie Loston, executive director of the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation, caretaker of the Astrodome and the rest of the vast complex it's part of, which also includes the Houston Texans' Reliant Stadium. "The building's still there. There's no formal plan or authorization to demolish the building, and until somebody brings such a plan to fruition, there's a chance."

A decision is not on the horizon, though. County commissioners are in no rush to approve demolition and waver on other options.

"It's up in the air," said Harris County Commissioner Steve Radack. "The proposal was rejected by the voters. We're back to where we were. Square one."
http://www.wistv.com/story/23927992/...-after-no-vote
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Really Mr Radack ? And you expect we Houston/Harris County taxpayers to just continue paying the annual expenses to maintain, insure, etc the Dome as we've been doing for some 15 years as it sets there and continues to deteriorate and continues to be a safety hazard and eye sore ? After the vote, seriously Mr Radack ?

nunusguy 11-26-2013 07:05 AM

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Four recognizable pieces of the beleaguered Reliant Astrodome will be demolished in the coming weeks, Reliant Park officials said Monday.

The four circular ramp towers should be coming down on Dec. 8 just after 9 p.m., according to Reliant Park General Manager Mark Miller. That schedule is dependent on weather conditions, he added.


The Houston Texans will be on the road that weekend, so the area will be clear of fans and tailgaters.

On Nov. 5, Harris County voters rejected a $217 million bond to turn the Dome into an event and exhibition center. The future of the structure is still in limbo.

The towers were constructed during the 1988-1989 round of renovations to accommodate the added seating capacity that came with 10,000 seats and luxury suites added that year after the massive, "exploding" scoreboard was taken out.

The towers helped the Dome not only comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act but also helped getting fans in and out of the new upper deck seats. Elevators inside the Dome also accommodated those with disabilities who attended events at the stadium.

Three of the four ramp towers will be demolished using small charges of explosives, while the remaining one will be brought down with demolition equipment. Cherry Demolition will be handling the project, according to Miller.

During the recent Astrodome garage sale, workers could be seen inside the towers severing the bridges that connected the ramp towers to the Dome structure. That work was put off during the recent rain in Houston.

Miller says the ramps were always on the chopping block, and were due to be removed no matter the outcome of the Nov. 5 vote. They weren't part of any future plans of the Dome.

Meanwhile, other construction work around the perimeter of the Dome continues, with the grass berms being brought down to grade. The ticketing booths are all but gone as well.

The plaza located on the northwest side of the stadium will not be touched.

A sale and auction of memorabilia from the iconic Astrodome on Nov. 2 drew thousands of people, some of whom waited in line for hours. Nostalgic fans started lining up around 5 a.m., three hours before the sale was set to begin at the adjacent Reliant Center.
"We expected 2,000 people and got over 8,000," Miller said.

Miller said any possible similar sales would be online only, if there are any. Reliant is still working on filling an estimated 1,900 pre-orders remaining from the first sale and filling bulk orders from other buyers. As of now, most of the upper deck seats are cleared, and portions of other decks are also bare.

"We need to assess what we have left to be able to sell," said Miller, adding that some of the remaining seats aren't in a condition suitable for sale.

It was rumored that the Diamond Vision screens could also be sold off, but nothing has been set in stone, Miller said. An asbestos abatement project will begin next week, with workers removing material from the interior.

The Houston Archaeological and Historical Commission will consider historical landmark status for the Astrodome, Houston's most iconic building, at its Dec. 12 meeting. Such a designation, made without the building owner's consent, wouldn't stop demolition, only delay it by 90 days.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...php?cmpid=hpts
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It's about time, now get crackin on leveling the rest of it !

Nconroe 05-15-2014 01:13 PM

Well, State Antiquities Landmark is applied for so, we wait some more for something good to happen

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...ition-23701745

Nconroe 07-10-2014 06:37 PM

This sounds pretty good to me, hope they get this done.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/233417374/...-demolish-dome

Keith 12-03-2015 02:06 PM

Bumping
...because the MLB network is planning to air a special on the history of the Astrodome, 'The Eighth Wonder of the World', on 12/15 at 8pm CT.

http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article...y-on-astrodome


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