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TheMatrix31 10-08-2012 11:11 PM

Cushing Injured in Jets Game on MNF
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4vFKOWCcAAsRKU.jpg

Son of a bitch.

chuck 10-08-2012 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 31898)

That was a disgusting cheap shot. I don't understand why no one else seems to be upset about it.

Nconroe 10-08-2012 11:46 PM

Slauson ought to be fined for intentiomal cut block in knees from tthe rear.

The league should make that illegal if done on anyone anytime.

TheMatrix31 10-09-2012 01:21 AM

Looks like he's out for the year with a torn ACL.

I am so ****************ing sick of my players getting hurt on dirty ass plays from a-hole opponents.

I hope Slauson gets nailed for this. He intentionally went back and dove at Cushing's knee.

Tweet @nfl and @nflcommish to urge them to review this.

WMH 10-09-2012 07:06 AM

SR610: According to SR610's John McClain, Texans ILB Brian Cushing suffered a torn ACL Monday night and is done for the season. http://cbsloc.al/UBNhUm

popanot 10-09-2012 08:04 AM

Twitter:

Clay Matthews III - ‏@ClayMatthews52
Where is the NFL's protection on blocks below the waist like that on Cushing. Double standard!

HPF Bob 10-09-2012 09:50 AM

Twitter:

Bob Hulsey ‏@BobHulseyTX

@nflcommish Please review the hit on Brian Cushing that tore his ACL. No flag? No fine? No fair!

popanot 10-09-2012 02:51 PM

What do we do to replace Cush....??? I guess the options are:

1) Use what we have and hope Sharpton comes back, can stay healthy, and performs - Highly unlikely and unreliable, IMO.

2) Hope like hell Dobbins, etc can perform at a high level - Highly unlikely, IMO

3) Trade for a player - If there's ever a season to go all-in and make a trade this would be the one, IMO. I'd love to see them make a deal for a good ILB, and worse case, he'd be an upgrade to James for next year when Cushing hopefully returns. However, we all know Smith and Kubiak are fairly conservative and will likely play it safe and go sign a veteran FA ILB like Stephen Cooper or Barret Rudd for depth with the hope they find youth in a bottle.

4) Pilfer a Practice Squad - This is obviously a gamble since, well, you're getting an unproven player that's sitting on a PS. There must be a reason for that, right? If they decide to go this route, Josh Bynes w/BALT looks intriguing. He's on a 3-4 defensive team with major LB talent in front of him so maybe there's some real talent there and he'd be somewhat of a lower risk pickup than a PS ILB from another team.

http://auburn.scout.com/a.z?s=6&p=8&c=1&nid=2392584

Any other trade possibilities or PS players you can think of?? Man, this sucks!

WMH 10-09-2012 02:57 PM

Best case scenario, we won't get Sharpton back at full speed until after the bye week.

And yes, this really, really, sucks.

:(

popanot 10-09-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH (Post 31929)
Best case scenario, we won't get Sharpton back at full speed until after the bye week.

Problem with Sharpton is he can't stay on the field. I think the team is fooling themselves if they really believe they can rely on him as an option.

popanot 10-09-2012 03:23 PM

Well, looks like the worst has happened. Torn ACL. Expect Kubes to officially announce it shortly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...irmed/related/

WMH 10-09-2012 04:04 PM

Here are the Texans’ options for replacing Brian Cushing
 
From LZ.

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...brian-cushing/

HPF Bob 10-09-2012 05:29 PM

Zeirlein's article is very good. I wouldn't mind dropping a second or a third on the right player. Remember we have the aging Bradie James as a place-holder opposite Cushing so we have a place for a good player in 2013 and beyond. We also have some excess in the offensive line and could see us offering, say, Caldwell and a fifth if a third seems too steep.

This is what top teams do. They fill holes while the window of opportunity is there. Let's not be cheap about this beyond what the salary cap limitations are.

barrett 10-09-2012 06:06 PM

Who are we trading the 3rd for?

WMH 10-09-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 31939)
Who are we trading the 3rd for?

That's the problem......

barrett 10-09-2012 10:39 PM

I know everyone thinks it's a great idea, but what team has an extra middle LB laying around (and why is he an extra). Who is going to deal a guy who is worth having in the middle of the season. Do the people suggesting it have a name in mind or is it just "unnamed but better than Dobbins and worth roughly a 2nd or 3rd guy who plays 34 ILB."

painekiller 10-10-2012 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 31945)
I know everyone thinks it's a great idea, but what team has an extra middle LB laying around (and why is he an extra). Who is going to deal a guy who is worth having in the middle of the season. Do the people suggesting it have a name in mind or is it just "unnamed but better than Dobbins and worth roughly a 2nd or 3rd guy who plays 34 ILB."

LZ's article mentions some names that could be candidates for a trade, with Tavares Gooden, ILB, 49′ers as the most interesting. Gooden is behind two pro bowl level starters, is on a one year contract, and according to LZ the 49ers might be interested if we offered a 3rd, but then again they might not be willing to trade their depth.

WMH 10-10-2012 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 31946)
LZ's article mentions some names that could be candidates for a trade, with Tavares Gooden, ILB, 49′ers as the most interesting. Gooden is behind two pro bowl level starters, is on a one year contract, and according to LZ the 49ers might be interested if we offered a 3rd, but then again they might not be willing to trade their depth.

Just my opinion, but why would a team with Superbowl aspirations trade depth for future picks? I would think a trade partner, if that's the route to go, would come from the bottom quarter of the league.

HPF Bob 10-10-2012 10:10 AM

I did a little more digging last night regarding teams who might deal players and who they have and what they might want and, unfortunately, most of the guys who fit the descriptions are playing hurt right now which make them real iffy to deal.

Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs would be an excellent addition as he has really blossomed since KC went to a 3-4 and they moved him inside. Unfortunately, he's only in year two or a five-year deal and his guaranteed money is actually quite tame so he would be hard to pry loose even if the Chiefs are inclined to give up their season and Johnson might not fit under the cap.

I also looked at the Cowboys for any more guys who might have been in Phillips' system. No way the Cowboys part with Sean Lee and the other starting ILB is nicked plus I doubt Jerry Jones is anywhere close to throwing in the towel.

Barrett Ruud is out there unsigned so, if we trade, one thing we'd need to ask is whether that person is worth more than simply signing Ruud. I really don't want to risk expecting Sharpton to come back and be healthy. I'd rather find more depth somewhere.

WMH 10-10-2012 12:00 PM

Rudd being signed is about all you could expect of the street at this point. May continue to tinker/look for trades, but that's just not the NFL's thing. Not to mention, with our cap situation, its going to be a lower tiered guy anyway.

nunusguy 10-10-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 31949)

Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs would be an excellent addition as he has really blossomed since KC went to a 3-4 and they moved him inside. Unfortunately, he's only in year two or a five-year deal and his guaranteed money is actually quite tame so he would be hard to pry loose even if the Chiefs are inclined to give up their season and Johnson might not fit under the cap.

Signing a Derrick Johnson would put us right back into a Cushing-DeMeco type situation after this year when Cushing is back with the team and on the field.

HPF Bob 10-10-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 31953)
Signing a Derrick Johnson would put us right back into a Cushing-DeMeco type situation after this year when Cushing is back with the team and on the field.

No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

barrett 10-10-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 31956)
No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

I agree 100%. You can have 2 great 34 ILBs and maybe even pay two (the 49ers do). But when one of those guys is simply not a 34 LB (inside or outside), you are in a Demeco/Cushing situation.

I would have no problem with a deal for Derrick Johnson. I know he is a 3 down LB and an upgrade I'd pay for at this point.

But we saw Rudd in the preseason and I like Dobbins more (I actually like Dobbins more than James). Rudd as the 3rd ILB is fine, but I am not even convinced he is a real step up from Alexander.

And maybe Sharpton can't be counted on in a regular situation because of health, but this is not a regular situation. I'd rather have a few games of Sharpton if he is temporarily healthy, than someone off the scrap heap.

So basically, unless a guy like Johnson falls in our lap I think we are going forward with what we have, and probably more of Nolan/Demps/Keo/McCain/Harris?, or even Reed as a standing LB in Dime situations.

Joshua 10-10-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 31956)
No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

The biggest problem with Demeco was his contract. Same with Winston. Both were solid starters, good teammates and even team leaders (more Demeco here than Winston). If they had been on the books at $1 mill each, I have no doubt both would still be here. While Demeco is a better fit in a 4-3 than a 3-4, he was not such a liability that this was why he was shipped off. I don't think anybody thinks we upgraded with Brady James. It's just that Brady James cost about 1/8 of what Demeco was going to cost.

HPF Bob 10-10-2012 03:48 PM

Good point, Joshua. Ryans wasn't giving us the production that matched his salary. Not sure that James is either but he's not costing as much.

Warren 10-10-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua (Post 31958)
The biggest problem with Demeco was his contract. Same with Winston. Both were solid starters, good teammates and even team leaders (more Demeco here than Winston). If they had been on the books at $1 mill each, I have no doubt both would still be here. While Demeco is a better fit in a 4-3 than a 3-4, he was not such a liability that this was why he was shipped off. I don't think anybody thinks we upgraded with Brady James. It's just that Brady James cost about 1/8 of what Demeco was going to cost.

Yeah, DeMeco signed the big contract after the 2009 season when he was a Pro Bowler and an every-down player. Last season, though, he was no longer part of the nickel defense and Sharpton had cut in on his snaps early in the year. With his cap number he just wasn't the same value, especially for a team squeezing to get under the cap, so they opted to try to get by with the significantly cheaper James/Sharpton combination.

TheMatrix31 10-10-2012 08:49 PM

Any word on whether this son of a bitch dirty punk thug Matt Slauson will be punished for his transgressions by the NFL?

barrett 10-10-2012 09:52 PM

The NFL wasn't going to do anything since he plays defense, and Cushing is the only tough guy we have who might have done something on the field. So Slauson gets to take a cheap shot and face no repercussions of any kind.

today 10-12-2012 01:02 AM

If after a few games we can't fill the hole that Cushing left, I like the idea of trading a pick for LB help before the Week 8 deadline. How much cap room do we have?

chuck 10-12-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 31965)
Any word on whether this son of a bitch dirty punk thug Matt Slauson will be punished for his transgressions by the NFL?

He was hit with a staggering $10,000 fine. That'll teach him.

HPF Bob 10-12-2012 09:33 AM

I think the $10K fine was the NFL's way of saying "it was a blatant cheap shot that deserved to be fined but it was technically legal because it was done near the line of scrimmage and Cushing was not engaged with another player". You can argue (as some on boards have) whether that was technically a hit from behind but it's obvious that Cushing could not have seen it coming.

Joshua 10-12-2012 09:51 AM

FWIW, Steve McKinney was on 1560 the other morning and was asked about the hit and he basically said that he didn't see anything wrong with it and it was something he has done countless times. While it sucks for Cushing, it's legal, most OL are coached to do it, and that's just football.

Probably doesn't help that we're about the last team that can complain about cut blocking either.

Arky 10-12-2012 11:47 AM

Ya, I think the worst thing was that Cushings foot was planted right when the hit began..... just really bad timing...

nunusguy 10-12-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 31956)
No it doesn't. The other ILB for the Texans is Bradie James. Cushing-Johnson would not be a problem. The problem with Cushing-DeMeco was that DeMeco was a pure MLB and didn't adjust to being a 3-4 ILB.

Only one non-OLB in Wade's defense remains on the field in nickel situations and therefor only one of them is an "every-down" player which means having a lot invested/big contract in both DJ & Cushing wouldn't be feasible (cap wise) just as it wasn't with both DeMeco & Cushing on the roster. If it was "money was no object", we would certainly still have DeMeco along with Cushing, but as a part-time player, Demeco was a luxury we just couldn't afford while James isn't that expensive as a part-timer.

HPF Bob 10-12-2012 02:09 PM

But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr over the remaining years which isn't that bad plus we might want to let Cushing's knee heal next year by not demanding he be on the field so much. Anyway, I don't think the Chiefs do this deal unless they are really ready to pull the plug on this year and start trading away assets. They're starting Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel this week but I don't think that's a sign they are giving up yet.

barrett 10-12-2012 03:41 PM

Plus I've seen nothing that says Wade's system prevents a 2nd ILB from being on the field in passing downs. It is just a matter of who is the best guy to defend the pass in obvious passing situations. Logically it is your 4 best pass rushers, your best 6 DBs, and a MLB who can cover/zone a bit. But not always. This year Cushing has been less in coverage and actually blitzes a fair amount or spies and then rushes when he determines the spy is not needed.

That is why on passing downs I actually think we could actually get away with mixing in a standing Brooks Reed in the middle the rest of the year. He is definitely not a MLB, but if 5 are coming, why not. To avoid tendencies he can still occasionally drop into zone blitz coverage (as can Barwin a tiny bit), so you could still bring a DB for confusion's sake. But if it comes down to Brady James/Dobbins/Ruud not covering a RB/TE or Brooks Reed being an obvious 5th pass rusher, I'd go with Reed.

Keith 10-12-2012 07:17 PM

I think that's an especially interesting idea re: Reed with the pass-happy Packers in town this weekend. They're miserable at running the ball, and teams are having a field day getting to Aaron Rodgers this season.

nunusguy 10-13-2012 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 32003)
But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr over the remaining years which isn't that bad plus we might want to let Cushing's knee heal next year by not demanding he be on the field so much. Anyway, I don't think the Chiefs do this deal unless they are really ready to pull the plug on this year and start trading away assets. They're starting Brady Quinn for Matt Cassel this week but I don't think that's a sign they are giving up yet.

I got to see a couple of the Chiefs games last year and Johnson was outstanding, actually I thought he was the best ILB in the AFC last year (yes, that includes Cushing). But if we could get him at a discount, for modest money that wouldn't be DeMeco ballpark money then perhaps a deal would be feasible if the Chiefs were interested ? BTW, DJ very soon will be 30 so he's 2 years older than DeMeco - another reason not to invest too much in him.

today 10-13-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 32003)
But DJ's salary averages $3M/yr

We don't have enough cap room to absorb $3m do we?

HPF Bob 10-14-2012 11:03 AM

After the restructuring was done on Schaub, who knows? There probably isn't cap room but there always seems to be a way to make this stuff work. The Patriots never seem to have trouble bringing in a veteran when they need one.


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