[Split Thread] What to Do About Posey?
 

What to do with Posey ? 2 preseason games under the belt and not a single pass reception yet ?

I know it's still early, but both Jean and Martin appear to be a huge upgrade over JJ. Jean is silky smooth and catches everything thrown to him, and Martin so far has shown good hands and you just have this sense he's gonna bust one soon. If those two guys (and AJ) stay healthy, I think Walter's playing time goes down considerably. As for Posey, right now he appears to be a wasted pick and no way should take up a regular season roster spot. I don't even think they have to worry about the IR scam. I think they could easily dump him to the PS without fear of anyone picking him up.

As of right now, I think it's Keenum, Grimes and Posey to the PS with others to follow... Grimes might actually make the full-time roster, but I think they'll lean towards keeping Forsett up just because of his experience.

While I agree with you on Posey to the PS, I think ego's will get in the way. Could be wrong, but that's my gut feel.

Posey is not going to the practice squad. And he'd be picked up if he did. Not getting preseason playing time will not equal 31 other teams ignoring a 3rd round pick. Or our GM saying he blew a 3rd rounder before the guy ever plays.

they won't ps posey. someone else would pick him up. he has been away from football for a while with his suspension last year, so i don't think they ever expected him to contribute this year anyway.

also don't think they IR him, if they did that he wouldn't be allowed to practice, which would make him 2 years removed from regular football next year.

During Saturday's game, I was at my favorite bar having a discussion with a regular who was wearing his Ohio State jersey. I mentioned to him that Martin had impressed far more than Posey (from OSU) despite being a lower-round choice and he said "Doesn't surprise me. The guy has been a spoiled jerk the whole time he was in Columbus."

It could be that a) the time missed in college means Posey is too raw for the NFL and is going to need coaching up or b) he's really just a spoiled jerk and won't amount to anything until he decides to work for it. If the truth is b) then I'm fine with trying to put him on the PS and see if anyone else claims him. If the truth is a) then he needs to show why his potential is more important than keeping some other receiver who has busted his tail and deserves the playing time.

This franchise has cut third-rounders before (remember 2002?) so it wouldn't be a first. If Martin is a keeper, I can live with the fact that Posey is not.

Right. McNair would not be pleased if Rick Smith threw up his hands in despair and basically admitted he screwed-up. Certainly not this soon.
And we've also gotta have some questions about the other 3rd round pick, because Brooks was very disappointing Saturday. And how often do the Texans
go as high as a 3rd round pick for an interior OLineman ? It would seem they'd use a 3rd round pick on somebody who was more of a ZB type with more
impressive competition that what they see at Miami of Ohio ?

I know everyone wants to read the tea leaves, but isn't it just too early with basically no samples
To know for sure what is going on.

All we saw is two bad throws by Keenum in Poseys direction.

They've cut third rounders, but not during their rookie years. They gave even Charles Hill one season.

Antoine Caldwell was a third rounder in 2009. As far as the competition that Brooks faced in college, the MAC isn't the SEC but it is a Division I-A (or FBS or whatever they call it now) conference and its members are attractive nonconference opponents for teams from the major conferences. Out of curiousity, I checked Miami of Ohio's schedule for the last four years and they played Florida, Boise State, Michigan, Missouri (twice), Cincinnati (four times), Northwestern, and Vanderbilt. He didn't go against future NFL players every week, but I'm sure he saw some.

But Caldwell was a multi-year starter at 'Bama where he saw better competition in the SEC every year than what you just clecked off with those schedule high-lights for Miami @ Ohio over a 4-year stretch. Actually Caldwell faced better competition in practice every day in Tuscaloosa than Brooks ever saw in his entire college career.
Now try to name another interior OLineman the Texans drafted higher than the 4th round besides Caldwell ? Then there's the fat-boy issue ?
I think 4th rounder Ben Jones is gonna give the Texans more help than Brooks will, certainly early on and they need help right now in the interior of the OLine.

Didn't Smith and Kubiak just get new contracts? I highly doubt this would bother McNair so much that he'd fire or discipline either one of them. McNair seems like a logical guy and I'm sure he understands sometimes you hit on a pick and sometimes you don't. He was here for Carr, afterall. If McNair wants to piss and moan about putting a disappointing 3rd rounder on the PS and exposing him to waivers, I think Smith would have a good argument bringing up guys he's hit on such as Foster, Jean, Dobbins, Martin, Yates, etc. That should ease McNair's mind and concerns.

As for actually putting Posey on the PS, there's what 'should' happen and what 'will' happen. I agree that egos will get in the way he likely 'will' get a roster spot. However, he doesn't deserve one and 'should' be put on the PS or sent to *cough* IR. I hope he turns it around, but I certainly wouldn't bet my lunch on it based on what we've seen and read at this point.

You guys are playing chicken little here.

You've made judgments on two players before we reach game 1. Brooks has been constantly praised by the coaches and they already consider him a threat to take caldwell's job. So clearly caldwell's Tuscaloosa practices didnt do much for him. I'm much more concerned about Caldwell than brooks.

As for posey, he is a year out of football and you don't draft a guy like that if you can't be patient. As for why you don't cut a 3rd rounder, it's not about what McNair thinks or how long is left on your contract. The reason you don't cut a 3rd rounder before game 1 is because it's stupid.

It's a message board during preseason, what are we supposed to do? ;)

Yes, Brooks has been praised some, but Kubiak has also given constant reminders on how young he is, and how many mistakes he's making.

I agree, it would be tough for a 3rd rounder to get cut, and putting on the PS is just that, more or less. Not impossible, but tough. That's why I think they would go the IR route, IF he doesn't get a roster spot. I would guess that Kubiak would rather have a vet at the WR5 spot. Only downside to IR, and its a big one, is he can't practice with the team. That would be almost 2 yrs. without game scenarios..... That's a pickle.

Not saying that's what I would do, but that's what I think will happen. Will know for sure in two weeks.

Hey, that's an idea. Let's put Posey on the IR for a sprained tat.;)

There’s no question that Caldwell faced better competition at Alabama than Brooks did at Miami (OH). But guards from Fresno State (Logan Mankins), North Texas (Brian Waters), and Bloomsburg (Jahri Evans) went to the Pro Bowl last year, so it’s not like playing in a BCS conference is an absolute prerequisite to NFL success at the position.

I was as surprised as anybody by the Brooks pick due to his apparent lack of fit for the scheme, but the Texans made it very clear after the draft that they thought he was agile enough to do what they ask their OL to do. He’s definitely got work to do (like most rookies), but we shall see. As far as Jones, I hope that he doesn’t have a big impact early on because that would mean that Myers is out.

Maybe I'm missing something here... Isn't OTA's, Training Camp, practices and preseason there to make player assesments and to define the final roster? Not saying they can make a full assesment by then or he can't develop, but what I am syaing is that if he's not one the best 53 players (or 5~6 best WRs), then he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot and he should go to the PS.

It's stupid to cut someone who can help the team and keep a someone who might never help your team. Your opinion is to keep him, but mine is he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot right now. And yes, if it was my decision I'd expose him to waivers and IR or PS him. However, it's not my decision so I'm good with whatever they decide. Hopefully he gets better - and soon.

Last year Texans kept 3/4 TE, 1/2 FB, 4 RB, 3 QB, that 4th TE and 4th RB sure didn't play much. So some flexibility. Posey has gotten plenty good reviews by coaches and teammates , just way 2 practice games went there wasn't much chance to show anything. Cutting to 53 will be tough, so we will see in about two weeks.

Nope, not sprained tat, a "mysterious" calf injury......

Gary Kubiak says WR DeVier Posey did not practice today. He has a minor calf injury. -- Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26)

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

The players association rejected that proposed rule change today. They also rejected pushing the trade deadline back 2 weeks.

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Posey not playing speaks volumes on him not being as ready as Jean and Martin. I think he'll be kept based on talent he shows in practice and that got him drafted. He still has to win 5th WR spot, but it doesn't look like he has much competition. I don't think Rick Smith lets his ego get in the way too much.

Stupidity and maybe hubris. Apparently they thought they had the perceptive skills to see something that nobody else could ? This guy is clearly a
cut that should be made right now, but the Texans won't pull the trigger now because of the investment made in him in the form of the third-round pick.

Unless you guys bashed the pick when it was made I don't get why you are so bothered now. It was a project pick from the start. From the start it was clear that Posey wasn't contributing anytime soon. He has limited football experience and a long layoff. The Texans obviously thought he was worth the risk and they are likely evaluating him with a different eye than if they expected him to immediately contribute. Our #4 WR does not even play in this offense. I don't even know if our #5 was active every week last season. Whoever is the #5 will be the 8th best option in the passing game at best.

Considering who was on the board, and the Texans' needs; I would have liked them to draft OT Bobbie Massie. But, then again, he lasted until the 4th round when the Cardinals drafted him. So, who knows? I believed Massie would be an upgrade over Butler or Newton.

I guess I'm a little perplexed by the Posey hatred as well. Like Barrett said, I think everyone knew this guy was going to be something of a project. Plus, we're talking about 3 preseason games. If he had went out there and made a handful of catches (let's say he had caught 6 balls for 41 yards over the 3 games), would that have made some big difference in y'all's minds?

There were a ton of WRs that had 3-4 round projections and, yes, I was surprised that they went with Posey since the Texans typically look for boy scouts without suspensions and other character issues.

After Posey was taken, the following WRs were selected:
69. T.J. Graham, NC State
83. Mohammed Sanu, Rutgers (some had us taking him in the 1st)
92. T.Y. Hilton, Florida Int'l
96. Chris Givens, Wake Forest
100. Travis Benjamin, Miami
104. Joe Adams, Arkansas
107. Devon Wylie, Fresno St.
118. Jarius Wright, Arkansas
123. Keshawn Martin, Michigan St. (by the Texans)
124. Nick Toon, Wisconsin
134. Greg Childs, Arkansas

My point being that even without considering other positions (and clearly the Texans were overdue to take a WR by this point in the draft), they had other options besides Posey and particularly so if they felt they wanted somebody who wouldn't take additional time to develop. I would have been happy with Sanu, Adams or Toon - all of which had been ranked much higher in a lot of mocks. Sanu already has a TD catch this preseason.

Probably. At least he would have shown us something. I don't hate Posey. I just don't think he currently deserves an active roster spot and should go on the PS where he can get all the reps and time he needs to develop. And again, IMO, if there's a team out there that puts in a claim for him, I don't think we'd miss him in the least. Some obviously think otherwise.

Maybe we will get a good look at several guys who are debateable for 53 man roster this Thursday game, if they aren't injured and still here anyhow.

Seems I remember some type of expected success across NFL like 35% for draftees after second round?

And something about it takes three years to evaluate a draft.

According to Kubiak's presser, Posey is going to play a lot this last preseason game so hopefully we'll finally get a good look at him and he'll show something. Of course, he'll be playing with and against 3rd/4th string players so it might not be a good indication of his skills, but I just want to see SOMETHING that makes me believe he can turn into a decent WR. Josh Gordon didn't play or practice football at all last year (Posey still practiced and played in ~3 games at OSU), but at least Gordon has shown something - if not potential #1 WR skills.

Thanks, Keith! I was going to post the question asking if it would be possible to split the thread because I knew that old 49er thread was an odd place for the conversation but I didn't want to create work for you. :)

No problem. I was too lazy to do it any earlier.

Well looky there, it's a Posey sighting!!! Yay!!!

I'm glad we gave him a full month before cutting him. He appears he might just have nfl talent after all.

Figured you chime in. Maybe they'll size him up for that HOF jacket at halftime based on one play in the last scrub preseason game. And BTW, I never said cut him. I said he doesn't deserve a regular season roster spot and should be put on the PS (and, yes, I know the ramifications). Yes, he FINALLY showed something! That's what I've been waiting for. However, one catch doesn't change my opinion. Hopefully he continues to show something and turns into a decent player.

Holliday appears to be proving a lot of us wrong. Maybe Posey will too. We can only hope.

I never once said he was good. I said it was dumb to judge based on 3 preseason games he barely played.

Foster was so immature he wrecked his last year of college football and then needed almost a year of kubiak kicking his butt before he woke up. Posey could be the same but his draft status means we can't hide him on the PS.

Since our 5th wr never plays and we have 8 inactives every week, I am ok if they want to keep him on the 53 based on what they have seen (and I don't have access to %10 of what they see).

This front office has earned enough of my trust that they can fritter away a pick and a roster spot in a risk/reward situation.

It was a helluva catch and run.

I'd still red shirt him.......

Seemed to have worked well for Jean.