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HPF Bob 12-14-2011 09:58 AM

Phillips Takes Medical Leave, Wants A HC Job
 
Per the Chron and elsewhere, Wade Phillips is taking a medical leave immediately but will return before the regular season is over. Reggie Herring will call the defense in his absence. He'll have a press conference after practice today.

In another story, Phillips says he loves coaching the Texans but he thinks their success is reason for him to get another head coaching gig. If he's available. my bet is San Diego, where he has previously coached and where Norv Turner is expected to be fired after the season. The Chargers have a history of hiring head coaches with previous head coaching experience and they have the talent to make a quick turnaround.

popanot 12-14-2011 11:31 AM

My goodness! I hope he's OK, but can't we just have some peace and enjoy this great season we're having?

WMH 12-14-2011 01:26 PM

Its a kidney issue.
Should be back in 10-14 days.

NBT 12-14-2011 01:40 PM

Man this really sucks. I hope nothing else befalls us. Enough is enough.

I am completely selfish here. I hope Wade's efforts at landing a HC position does not bear fruit and he just stays with the Texans, with a hefty raise, perhaps.

Kubs & Phillips make a helluva team. One that will get us to the SB if we can keep it in place.

Fonz the Boss 12-14-2011 06:14 PM

We can overcome the loss of Andre, Mario, Schaub, Leinart, etc but this is something else. Even Kubiak himself said that the defense is the catalyst and it all starts with Wade. To make matters worse this happens on a week when we face one of the most explosive offenses in the league. His absence will have a negative impact on their psyche .. put one in the L column

barrett 12-14-2011 06:57 PM

I don't think it hurts our psyche at all. I think if anything the defensive guys play with more passion in a win one for the gipper setting.

But while the psyche should be fine, I think it is fair to worry about the actual Xs and Os. Herring may know Wade's defense as well as Wade does (it is not complicated), but calling the defense on Sunday is totally different than coaching it during the week.

We are not currently constructed to play in a shootout, we face a very unique defensive challenge this week, and we are without the head of our defense. It is definitely concerning, but chalking it up as a loss is crazy. It is still a 10-3 team at home against a 4-9 team. These teams have been learning to win and lose all season. Our guys think they are supposed to win at this point. We will not likely be shaken by a rough turn of events. Carolina on the other hand has blown leads all season long and found a way to consistently lose.

barrett 12-14-2011 07:29 PM

And I would have to think that his current health concerns will greatly damage his chances of landing a head gig next year. Teams were not lining up for 65 year old head coaches already, and the idea that they could lose their head coach at any point in the season will scare many away.

HPF Bob 12-14-2011 11:36 PM

Before he signs anywhere else, he will probably have to pass an insurance physical and he'll also need to be totally transparent about whatever health issues he has but I don't think it will keep him from getting an HC job if he is given a clean bill of health. I'd probably worry about his weight problem if I were an owner.

WMH 12-15-2011 07:55 PM

From the Chronic:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...after-surgery/

The Texans released a statement on defensive coordinator Wade Phillips this afternoon.

It said:

Wade Phillips has completed the surgery on his kidney and gallbladder. He is in stable condition. In order to respect his privacy, the family has requested there be no further information given at this time.”

Phillips will miss the Carolina and Indianapolis games. He’s expected to return for the Tennessee game on Jan. 1 if he progresses as the doctors have told him.

Keith 12-16-2011 12:10 AM

That he's gone for such a short time isn't such a bad thing. I think it may help the defense from getting complacent against (1) a Panthers team with a dynamic QB and (2) a Colts team that they could easily overlook to the Titans game.

And it isn't like the Texans will miss Wade's overall strategizing pre-game. I'm sure Herring knows exactly what Wade is thinking for these next two games.

So no need to sound the alarm here.

chuck 12-16-2011 12:53 AM

I'm not worried about the game or games that he's going to miss because of this weirdly secretive surgical procedure. What does annoy me is his publicly angling for a head coaching job while he is employed by the Texans as a coordinator. I don't mind that he wants to be a head coach. In fact, I'd be disappointed if he didn't. But to be talking to the media about wanting to be a head coach again in the middle of a season is only a step removed from the bullshit Jim Fassel pulled as OC for the Ravens.

Just STFU about your own future and tell the gathering crowd that you're thinking only about the Panthers or your gall bladder or your adorable Pomeranian or whatever. Don't go mouthing off about wanting to be a head coach again. Don't cause any more distractions for a team that has had more than its share this year.

nunusguy 12-16-2011 06:52 AM

We know Herring has the X&Os expertise on the 1-gap version of Wades 3-4 alignment schemes, and Sundays game will provide an opportunity for Texans top brass to determine if Herring can successfully call defensive signals during a game ? After all they are gonna need to fill a soon to be vacated DC position.

cadams 12-16-2011 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 28360)
I'm not worried about the game or games that he's going to miss because of this weirdly secretive surgical procedure. What does annoy me is his publicly angling for a head coaching job while he is employed by the Texans as a coordinator. I don't mind that he wants to be a head coach. In fact, I'd be disappointed if he didn't. But to be talking to the media about wanting to be a head coach again in the middle of a season is only a step removed from the bullshit Jim Fassel pulled as OC for the Ravens.

Just STFU about your own future and tell the gathering crowd that you're thinking only about the Panthers or your gall bladder or your adorable Pomeranian or whatever. Don't go mouthing off about wanting to be a head coach again. Don't cause any more distractions for a team that has had more than its share this year.

he was responding to a question he was asked on that specific subject. i don't think that is "angling" for a new job. it is just him honestly answering a question asked of him. he isn't going to be leaving in the middle of the season. teams can't interview him during the regular season, and unless the texans have a bye week they can't interview him until after the texans post season is over. this is not like college, and it isn't going to be a distraction so chill out.

Joshua 12-16-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadams (Post 28362)
he was responding to a question he was asked on that specific subject. i don't think that is "angling" for a new job. it is just him honestly answering a question asked of him. he isn't going to be leaving in the middle of the season. teams can't interview him during the regular season, and unless the texans have a bye week they can't interview him until after the texans post season is over. this is not like college, and it isn't going to be a distraction so chill out.

I get what you're saying, but since when do coaches honestly answer questions (particularly ones they shouldn't)? I don't think this is a big deal either way, but he should have blown off the question and given the standard "I'm not thinking about that right now, I'm just concentrating on next week's game" answer.

And considering that virtually every coach knows to give this type of pat answer, I think him going against the grain could be viewed as him trying to get the word out that he wants a head coaching job. Whether that's "angling," I don't know. Again, not that big a deal either way, but was a softball question I would have liked to have seen him answer better.

chuck 12-16-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua (Post 28363)
Again, not that big a deal either way, but was a softball question I would have liked to have seen him answer better.

Exactly. The correct answer is, 'I haven't thought about next year at all; I'm worried about next week.'

It wouldn't bother me at all if he went straight from the press conference to his office and got his agent on the phone and demanded that he line him up for one of the many head coaching vacancies that are appearing. Like I said, I expect him to want a HC job. I know I would if I were in his spot.

But all in all I would much rather be bickering over subtleties regarding the inevitability of our coordinators taking head coaching jobs than arguing over how many of them should be fired like we've done every other December around here.

HPF Bob 12-16-2011 12:44 PM

1) What concerns me about Phillips' absence is whether the right adjustments will be made on defense after they see the Panthers' plans to attack them. Maybe they switch assignments or coverages. Will Herring know what to tweak?

2) I agree that Wade should have given a stock coaching answer instead of the truth but Wade and Bum are both genuinely honest people inclined to say what they think rather than hide behind coachspeak. Wade is in his 60s and his window on being considered for another job is closing quickly. Perhaps some GMs might assume he's too old to be considered for a new HC job (after all, most want to find a coach who will fill the job for the next decade or more) unless he says he wants consideration.

I don't think he's as much in danger of leaving as we might think. What I worry about is having him get promoted in Houston the next time Kubiak makes a dunderhead decision.

NBT 12-16-2011 04:14 PM

Wade said he had installed the gameplan for Carolina before he left. All Reggie Herring has to do is know when to call the blitzes in the game.

painekiller 12-17-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadams (Post 28362)
he was responding to a question he was asked on that specific subject. i don't think that is "angling" for a new job. it is just him honestly answering a question asked of him. he isn't going to be leaving in the middle of the season. teams can't interview him during the regular season, and unless the texans have a bye week they can't interview him until after the texans post season is over. this is not like college, and it isn't going to be a distraction so chill out.

That is exactly what I was going to say.

Fonz the Boss 12-18-2011 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 28347)
We can overcome the loss of Andre, Mario, Schaub, Leinart, etc but this is something else. Even Kubiak himself said that the defense is the catalyst and it all starts with Wade. To make matters worse this happens on a week when we face one of the most explosive offenses in the league. His absence will have a negative impact on their psyche .. put one in the L column

I hate being right but I knew this would happen. Wade is our catalyst. We had a chance in the 4th to make it a game despite TJ Yates' ineptitude but our #1 ranked defense didn't have the usual fire.

barrett 12-18-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 28416)
I hate being right but I knew this would happen. Wade is our catalyst. We had a chance in the 4th to make it a game despite TJ Yates' ineptitude but our #1 ranked defense didn't have the usual fire.

That loss wasn't about psyche or defense. Bad execution on the offensive side of the ball all day did us in. 14 of the points came off of turnovers. And our offense put no pressure on a team that has made a habit of crumbling all season. Wade wouldn't fix Arian fumbling, Yates throwing ints or all the drive killing penalties.

chuck 12-18-2011 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 28428)
That loss wasn't about psyche or defense. Bad execution on the offensive side of the ball all day did us in. 14 of the points came off of turnovers. And our offense put no pressure on a team that has made a habit of crumbling all season. Wade wouldn't fix Arian fumbling, Yates throwing ints or all the drive killing penalties.

Or Rackers missing a very makeable FG and giving the Panthers good field position from which they scored another first half TD.

NBT 12-19-2011 04:58 PM

What the hell now? Kubiak really pissed me off big time this game. this team was not prepared properly. Carolina got the momentum early with the Arian fumble recovery, and just kept on pushing. Kubiak could have been proactive, but instead he chose to be reactive all day. Against that background, this team never had a chance. The seven game winning momentum is now gone. It is much easier to maintain momentum than to try to reclaim it after a stupid loss in your own playpen.

Nconroe 12-19-2011 06:47 PM

Well, the good thing we are now 10-4 , in the playoffs , and sice Baltimore, Jets, Bengals, Titans, Denver, and Oakland lost, as well as Green Bay and Giants we might still get first round bye and very likely home for first plaoff game.

And many of mistakes in execution made can be corrected.

And like Andre, Brizelle, and Wade will be back in a few weeks.

Not time to panic.

Team had good practices last Thurs and Fri so not sure why we lost turnovee battle . Seemed guys were playing hard.

So, I'm wondering does Wade really have that much positive influence when present on the sideline?

Fonz the Boss 12-22-2011 10:40 PM

the future HOFer Dan Orlovsky and company beat us in total offense and time of possession... not to mention he led a hall of fame comeback victory over our supposed top 5 defense.... get well Wade because this defense is clearly not the same without you. I hate that I'm right again but it's pretty clear now how important Wade is when we lose to the Colts.... oh man what a joke. Things are starting to go downhill fast.

barrett 12-22-2011 10:59 PM

This team is broken on offense. We gave up 19 points which is a great effort. Not to mention they gift wrapped the only td our offense scored.

Our offense let us down again...in the redone again. Wade coming back won't fix how bad we've been offensively since schaub went down.

Keith 01-02-2012 11:52 PM

How about this lil' nugget from Bum?

Quote:

...According to Bum in remarks at the Gridiron Legends reception, Wade had “a tumor the size of a volleyball that encompassed his kidney and his gall bladder, so he had them all taken out. He’s got a scar about this long.” At that point, Bum held his hands about a foot apart. Bum also said the tumor was not malignant. ...
http://panews.com/sports/x1477837466...idiron-Legends

edo783 01-04-2012 08:03 PM

So, Wade lost the kidney? News made it sound like they cut the growth off, but it didn't sound like the kidney went. Dang, Wade isn't a teenager anymore. That type of surgery is tough to get over even when you're not 68. Pretty impressive that he is back this quick.

WMH 01-05-2012 02:13 PM

@NickScurfield: Phillips said he thinks he should be considered for HC jobs, but "this is the best job I've had. I'm not looking to go anywhere."

WMH 01-08-2012 01:56 PM

@espn_afcsouth: Per @johnclayton: Wade Phillips will interview with Tampa Bay on Friday. #texans

chuck 01-08-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 28887)
@espn_afcsouth: Per @johnclayton: Wade Phillips will interview with Tampa Bay on Friday. #texans

Why the hell would they want to hire a seventy year old guy with one kidney?

Keith 01-08-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 28890)
Why the hell would they want to hire a seventy year old guy with one kidney?

...on a team 3 years away from seriously competing, especially amongst the Saints, Falcons, and now...Cam Newton's Panthers?

barrett 01-08-2012 04:58 PM

Not to mention you have a young QB in desperate need of a great offensive mind. If I am running TB my number one priority is getting Josh Freeman right. Wade cannot help at all with that.

Nconroe 01-08-2012 05:00 PM

Seems to me any interviews should wait till after playoffs.

Poor timing could become a distraction.

WMH 01-08-2012 06:11 PM

With all due respect to Wades skills, he's not a top candidate for a reason.
If you look at the openings left (assuming the reports of Fisher to the Rams are true), that leaves the Hags, Bucs, and Fins.
Fins - Wade's not flashy enough.
Bucs - As Barrett pointed out, they need some serious help on O.
Jags - Unfortunately, I see this as his best opportunity. Knows the division, a key component of the Texans staff, and he will likely be a cheaper option, but has experience.

But even with the Hags, they might lean towards an O to try to save Gabbert, if that's possible. But with the talent influx on D, he could be justified there fairly well.

I hope he stays, and as bad as this will sound, I think his age, coupled with this health scare, may just keep him here.

edo783 01-08-2012 09:24 PM

IMO, I don't think Wade really wants to leave, but Dallas left a bad taste in his mouth and the crap that happened in the media and everyone wants to prove they can when others say they can't. I think he wants to be ASKED to the dance, but would rather stay put, not to mention his health. We need to make him Asst. Head Coach and back up the Brink's truck and call it a day.

WMH 01-08-2012 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edo783 (Post 28897)
We need to make him Asst. Head Coach and back up the Brink's truck and call it a day.

I think he already is the HC - Def. And, I might be wrong on this, but I think he is the highest DC in the league. IMO, Wade's desire to be a HC doesn't have a whole lot to do with money. He's been in the league for 25+ years. He's probably OK with his finances.

barrett 01-09-2012 08:10 AM

If I had a team with Defensive issues, but a largely veteran offense, and I wanted to win now (like playoffs win), then I would consider Wade as an option. His returns are highest in the first years everywhere he goes. After a while he tends to lose a little control/discipline with the players.

Honestly, he would not have been a bad HC hire to replace Kubs if they had fired him last offseason. Wade gets his teams above .500 and to the playoffs. But I would not touch him for a rebuilding job (he is not long term), I would not trust him to get me over the top to a title (he never has in 25 years), and I would not hire him if I needed offensive help.

If Andy Reid or Tom Coughlin had been fired for their defensive issues I think he could have stepped in and had immediate 11-12 win results out of either team without touching the offenses. But none of the current jobs really suit him.

WMH 01-09-2012 08:17 AM

From SI's Peter King in the MMQB:
"
The other openings ... I said Saturday the Bucs want an authority figure to clean up Raheem Morris' mess, and they like former Packer and Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman ... As Adam Schefter reported, Kansas City is likely to keep Romeo Crennel as the permanent coach after he went 2-1 as the interim man. I expect that to happen as early as this week ... Jacksonville's quiet, but I expect Dallas special-teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis and Cincinnati offensive coordinator Jay Gruden to be in it at the end ... Hue Jackson (Oakland) and Jim Caldwell (Indianapolis) are in limbo until, respectively, a new GM in Oakland (Reggie McKenzie) learns the ropes and considers his options, and owner Jim Irsay picks a GM in Indianapolis.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1iyEXfYO6

An authority figure in Tampa seems like a really good idea with that mess, and that is certainly not Wade.

Also, people seem to fail to realize that an interview DOES NOT consitute a job offer. Just cause thier chatting, doesn't mean he's bolting.

nunusguy 01-09-2012 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 28893)
Seems to me any interviews should wait till after playoffs.

Poor timing could become a distraction.

I'd go so far as to say it's really classless of Phillips. Of course maybe I'm just a bit naive here, thinking Wade was some nice ole guy who wanted only the best for the city of Houston and would do nothing which might cause his team to lose its focus for the weekends upcoming game in Baltimore. Turns out ole Wade is just another opportunistic, self-serving coach looking for the next deal that's better than his current gig. In other words, your average NFL coach.

Keith 01-09-2012 03:50 PM

Sadly, that may be so. Wade wants one last hurrah. Tough to blame him.

I doubt seriously Wade is offered the job though. Mike Sherman seems to be a favorite, and myself, one of these days I keep thinking Jerry Gray will be a NFL head coach.


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