Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread
 

with glover quin likely moving to FS now, do you still draft FS just in case? i wouldn't mind Acho or Deunta Williams

If you read the interview on the Texans web site with the new DB coach, he said they are a split safety defense, they want both guys to play their half of the field, be able to cover, and be solid tacklers if a runner gets into the secondary. So they are really looking for two Glover Quin types. So I would say a physical FS is still in play.

I like Quinton Carter out of Oklahoma.

I'd like to see them pick up a powerful C/G (Brandon Fusco, maybe?). It doesn't look like they think Caldwell is the answer and Meyers just sucks. I'd also like to see them pick up PR/KR (no more Slaton or JJ, please!!) and a Punter. Not sexy picks, but much needed and the draft is where you get these guys, IMO.

I like the Reed selection with our second pick, but please Mr Wade can I have another ? Best case scenario for Barwin is that he's back to top form
near the end of the 2011 season IMO. In the meantime we need pass rushers.
As long as the guy can also help us in ST, I say take a long-shot on a guy who has the potential to rush the QB and don't hesitate to use our 4-round pick.

I am looking at Chris Carter...Davon House...Chimdi Chekwa, Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, Brandon Burton, and Jerrell Powe

Tampa Bay trades up in front of us @ #104 for Luke Stocker, TE, eheh....

Texans up next...

edit: Texans trade with Redskins!

We traded down? Nice...I'll take more picks.

oh, we traded down with Washington.

sounds like we swapped 4ths, got two fifths, gave up a sixth, .. sounds like a fair deal for us

#127 and two 5th round picks..#144 and #152

Texans get late 4th and two 5th rounders..... Thank you, Shannies... ;)

Special teamers on the way....

I had Chris Carter ranked pretty high on my draft board, so I would have to take him. Taking Deunta Williams and/or Mark Legree in the 5th round might be an option. Wade keeps saying that Mitchell or somebody on the roster can play the NT...I'd still like a 335lbs guy like Powe to come to training camp just to see how that would look. :)

Yes, gave up a 6th seems to be the case. NFLN didn't report this....

So, the Texans have left (at present):

4. #30
5. #13, #21
6. n/a
7. #11, #51

Back to 8 picks total....

Rest of my draft board
 

OLB Chris Carter Fresno St
S Deunta Williams North Carolina
S Mark Legree Appal St
CB Brandon Burton Utah
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi
CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech
ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina
OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas
DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh
OLB Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
WR Denarius Moore Tennessee
QB Greg McElroy Alabama
CB Chykie Brown Texas
S Jerrard Tarrant Ga Tech
CB Byron Maxwell Clemson

So another DB, Rashad Carmichael.

Yep, 610 reporting CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech

CB Rashad Carmichael Va Tech 5'10" 182 4.38

Small/Fast and tough. Not a bad pick

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117460
 

Explosive, rangy athlete with nice acceleration and top-end speed. Lanky and slender, but isn't afraid to go for the big hit. Fearless tackler willing to engage bigger backs and receivers head-on. Gets his head around in coverage and adjusts his body nicely to the ball in the air. Has a second gear that allows him to correctively close gaps between himself and receivers who have gained separation. Light-footed, smooth backpedal maintaining still head and upper body. Displays good awareness of both the quarterback's eyes and receiver location when playing off in zone coverage. Gets his hands up quickly to make plays on balls that he may get his head around late on. Keeps his eyes in the backfield and shows good zone discipline when defending the run.

Looks like the new Wade-D is under no obligation to cover-up the mess of crap in the Texans back-end, i.e., another rousing vote of no-confidance for Kareem & Co. And you know we are almost surely gonna also add a FA CB to the mix.

I think some of these guys are going to see more time on special teams than on the defense, i.e. depth... Can't give up on a #1 (Kareem) so soon....

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.

4th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Brandon Hogan DB Panthers 73
2 K.J. Wright OLB Seahawks 66
3 Da'Norris Searcy S Bills 54
4 Clint Boling OG Bengals 83
5 Jordan Cameron TE Browns 65
6 Sam Acho DE Cardinals 75
7 Luke Stocker TE Buccaneers 74
8 Roy Helu RB Redskins 56
9 Christian Ballard DT Vikings 78
10 Kris Durham WR Seahawks 44
11 Quinton Carter S Broncos 75
12 Colin McCarthy ILB Titans 72
13 David Arkin OG Cowboys 63
14 Edmond Gates WR Dolphins 77
15 Gregory Salas WR Rams 76
16 Chimdi Chekwa DB Raiders 65
17 Cecil Shorts WR Jaguars 65
18 Kendall Hunter RB 49ers 76
19 Casey Matthews ILB Eagles 64
20 James Brewer OT Giants 72
21 Jalil Brown DB Chiefs 74
22 Delone Carter RB Colts 64
23 Alex Henery PK Eagles 56
24 Christopher Prosinski S Jaguars 30
25 Chris Hairston OT Bills 67
26 Tandon Doss WR Ravens 80
27 Owen Marecic FB Browns 51
28 Taiwan Jones RB Raiders 75
29 Bilal Powell RB Jets 62
30 Rashad Carmichael DB Texans 61
31 Cortez Allen DB Steelers 51
32 Julius Thomas TE Broncos 52
33 Jamie Harper RB Titans 35
34 Davon House DB Packers 71

Oh I agree about Kareem and we also need ST players, but I can't help but think that the Wade-corps has by now seen the tape more than once on the Texans DBs and feel like they need a plan B.

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

Popping positive at the Combine is a big no-no. "Character issues" have a way of devaluing a prospect. A few years ago I was very high on Carl Nicks and he got into a fight at a party after the Senior Bowl and he fell like a rock. I think the Saints ended up getting him in the 4th round. Nicks has been a very good LG and I'll be interested in seeing how well Houston plays for KC. If he stays out of trouble, I think he can be a force.

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho

Has punt returner experience...

Only a face a mother could love


:D

Thought I would add this little blurb I found...

"The Texans find more help for a beleaguered secondary at pick 144 with Idaho S Shiloh Keo, who earned praise from Deion Sanders at the scouting combine for his ball skills and hustle."

Okay the next need, in my opinion is at NT. Maybe we can develop Jerrell Powe or take a guy off my draft board from Notre Dame....Ian Williams.

Keo looks like Pollard-lite to me: big hitter but lacking the kind of foot-speed to cover which is a skill that Wade seems to want in his safetys, both of them. ST player supreme though and maybe DBackfield depth in a pinch.

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

I have a problem when your FS and the 5-Technique Defensive end run the same 40.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1137501
 

Might lack the athleticism to handle coverage responsibilities in the NFL. Is a tough defender, but isn't particularly instinctive and doesn't possess the fluidity and straight-line speed to mask his lack of awareness. Can lay the big hit on an unsuspecting ballcarrier, but to do so generally has to leave his feet and has a tendency to duck his head and rely on the collision to knock the ballcarrier to the ground, rather than wrapping his arms securely.

TJ Yates, QB, North Carolina? Umm, sounds like Kubes just took over the war room...lol

We selected our back-up QB T.J. Yates. He is one of 'My Guys' so I don't have too much of a problem with this pick. I saw him play the Texas v. The Nation game in San Antonio and he should be a good developmental guy. Wondering why Kubiak rated him higher than Greg McElroy, though.

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

I guess Smith Kubiak are back in charge. This appears to be early for this guy.

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates
I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.