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WMH 12-29-2010 11:15 AM

Official Texans vs. Jaguars Game Thread, 1/2/2011
 
This could seriously damper my Patrick Peterson hopes.....maybe :rolleyes:

From PFT:

David Garrard out for Jaguars’ season finale
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 29, 2010, 12:05 PM EST

The Jacksonville Jaguars’ long odds of making the playoffs just got longer.

Jaguars quarterback David Garrard will have surgery on his right middle finger tomorrow, and he’ll miss Sunday’s season finale against the Texans, the Florida Times-Union reports.

That means the Jaguars will go with Trent Edwards as the starter, with Todd Bouman backing him up, 1010XL Sports Radio in Jacksonville reports.

In order to make the playoffs, the Jaguars have to beat the Texans and hope the Colts lose to the Titans.

HPF Bob 12-29-2010 01:03 PM

AKA "trINT Edwards"? Lovely. But don't worry. We've been punked by backup quarterbacks before. Happens all the time. In fact, it happened just last week.

Arky 12-29-2010 01:22 PM

TV = CBS (Channel 11 local), 3:15pm, Sunday

Announcers = Greg Gumbel, Dan Dierdorf

Opening line = Jag by 2.5
Current line = pickem to Jags by 2.5

Walter of walterfootball.com like the Texans in this matchup and makes a good point about the Jags:

Quote:

RECAP: The Jaguars need to win. That's why they're favored. And that's one of the reasons why I like the Texans.

As legendary handicapper Dave Cokin once said, "Teams that need to win aren't very good in the first place." To take it one step further, teams tend to choke when everything is on the line. Hence, the Aurora Snow Alert (Aurora Snow is a famous porn star for those of you who don't know.)

NBT 12-29-2010 05:15 PM

Jacsonville will still bring their defense - unfortunately, so will we. Same result as last week, different method.

Arky 12-30-2010 09:21 PM

Texans now a 2.5 to 3 pt favorite - I suppose because of no Garrard or (probably) MJD.

NBT 12-31-2010 09:12 PM

Kubiak and Schaub will do just enough to see that we ..............LOSE!? After all we have to protect our position in the Draft SB. Arrrggghhh! And there is no real assurance there will even be a draft.

nunusguy 01-01-2011 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 24130)
And there is no real assurance there will even be a draft.

There are many who know far more about the CBA than I do so please feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong. But re the Draft, it's my understanding
that since players when drafted in the annual NFL April Draft aren't initially members of the players union, and therefor aren't subject to the CBA until sometime subsequent to being drafted, probably when they sign their contract. Therefor this years Draft will be held as scheduled ?

HPF Bob 01-01-2011 02:05 PM

The contract year, IIRC, ends the last day of February every year and the player draft is a part of the CBA. Even if the players aren't technically NFLPA members until after the draft, there would likely be lawsuits as to whether a post-CBA draft would be legally binding without the sanction of the CBA which serves to work around the anti-trust laws.

For example, Player A loves the Cowboys but hates the Giants. Subsequently, Player A gets drafted by the Giants this April. The Cowboys decide to poach Player A with a contract which the player signs because he's "always wanted to be a Cowboy".

With a CBA, the player is bound to play in the NFL only with the team that selected him in the draft with the blessing of the NFLPA. Without a CBA, Player A (or the Cowboys) might argue that he's actually a free agent since there is no contract that binds him to the results of the draft.

If this went before a judge or the NLRB, they would likely rule that the player is a free agent and can play for whomever he wants since there is no CBA establishing the legality of the player draft whose primary purpose is to eliminate the leverage that the player has in shopping his services to the highest bidder.

My feeling is that the NFL will try to move up the draft to February, while there is still a CBA, so that the draft is legal unless the CBA specifically states that the draft must be held after March 1st each year.

NBT 01-01-2011 07:47 PM

.....And of course the NFl couldn't allow a rookie player to just play for whomever they want to (or grew up with), now could they?

For the sake of this discussion, let us say the Draft was to be held sometime before March 31st, OK? The NFLPA would go screaming to a judge and get a restraining order claiming the right of a player to play for whomever he chooses. Now we are back to square one, aren't we?

Nconroe 01-01-2011 09:15 PM

Do ya'll want Texans to win this last game of very disapppointing 2010-11 season or not?

Always good to play to win right? or is a better to see all the younger backup players and prepare for draft pick more important? whenever draft might be.

Seems lot of guys injured on both teams and some coaching changes coming for Texans next week for sure.

painekiller 01-01-2011 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 24136)
.....And of course the NFl couldn't allow a rookie player to just play for whomever they want to (or grew up with), now could they?

For the sake of this discussion, let us say the Draft was to be held sometime before March 31st, OK? The NFLPA would go screaming to a judge and get a restraining order claiming the right of a player to play for whomever he chooses. Now we are back to square one, aren't we?

By the agreement in place, the NFLPA has sanctioned the draft process but they have no say in the dates that the draft is held. By holding the draft in February the current contract is still in play. No lawsuits needed. If the draft is held after the March 3rd expiration then all heck can start.

They will hold the draft in February, this will hurt the scouts job of judging juniors that declare, and it will hurt player that are hurt. Everyone will be in the same boat, and the teams with the best scouting departments should be the winners in this off season.

Blitzwood 01-02-2011 12:46 AM

Take this as you may, .........Jones-Drew is also out for the game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...ars-jones-drew




I say we have a 50/50 chance now. I still, personally, want the Texans to lose in hopes of Kubiak finally getting axed and all while improving our draft spot. The hell with this season!

coloradodude 01-02-2011 11:51 AM

pre-season game to me. Lose and we might get a better draft pick. Win and we might get a better draft pick.

I just look forward to chuck's comments.

NBT 01-02-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24140)
By the agreement in place, the NFLPA has sanctioned the draft process but they have no say in the dates that the draft is held. By holding the draft in February the current contract is still in play. No lawsuits needed. If the draft is held after the March 3rd expiration then all heck can start.

They will hold the draft in February, this will hurt the scouts job of judging juniors that declare, and it will hurt player that are hurt. Everyone will be in the same boat, and the teams with the best scouting departments should be the winners in this off season.

The owners have opted out of that agreement, have they not? So if the NFL tried an end around draft on the union, I would suspect the union wouldn't just play dead. They would howl about the injustice of it all.

And without time to evaluate better, the undergrads coming out, the draft if it were to be held would be what we called in the Marine Corp a cluster f**k!

popanot 01-02-2011 03:10 PM

I hope there's plenty of booing today when the inevitable f'ups occur. Just ridiculous McNair is bringing back this POS HC and staff.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:17 PM

Gametime!

Jags win the toss and defer. Texans to receive.

Slaton brings the kickoff back for a nice gain but illegal block in the back on Dickerson puts the ball at the Texans 10.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:18 PM

Pass to JJ overthrown, inc. Brings up 2nd and 10.

Pass to KW good for about 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.

Foster pops it for about 56 yards.

Ward sweeps left for about 18. 1st and goal at the 6.

Ward tripped up a couple of yards short of paydirt. 2nd and goal.

Foster powers it in for the TD!

Texans 7, Jags 0

Nconroe 01-02-2011 03:20 PM

Nice job on the opening drive, Foster gets his 15th TD.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:27 PM

12:25 left in the 1st.

Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 23.

Jennings sweeps left for about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Jennings cuts back for about 10. 1st down.

Pitch to Jennings gets about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Screen to Lewis goes inc. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Edwards sacked by Nolan! Jags have to punt.

JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 28.

TheMatrix31 01-02-2011 03:27 PM

Beautiful first drive. Arian Foster takes over the rushing title, 17th TD overall.....if this team was in the playoffs, I really think he'd be a Top 3 MVP candidate.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:32 PM

Foster hits the right side for about 16.

Foster for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.

Foster for 4. No challenge on forward progress. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass to KW goes all the way to the Jags 28. 1st down.

Dump to Ward good for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Ward powers to the 16 yard line. 1st down.

Screen to OD goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Foster for about 1.5. 3rd and a short 1 coming up.

Foster gets stopped on 3rd down. Texans to go for the FG.

Rackers 26 yarder is good.

Texans 10, Jags 0

4:15 left in the 1st quarter.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:44 PM

Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 33.

Jennings cuts back for nice gainer. About 16 yards.

Jennings for 10 up the gut.

Flag pre-snap. Offsides Lewis, makes it 1st and 5.

Jennings goes right side for about 2. 2nd and 3 coming up.

Jennings gets 8 and the 1st down.

Karim rushes for about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.

Pitch left to Karim gets about 8 and a 1st down. Ball at the Texans 12.

Jennings sweeps left for about 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

End of the 1st quarter.

popanot 01-02-2011 03:46 PM

Yep, our D still sucks.

Nconroe 01-02-2011 03:46 PM

Texans defense to left not holding up very well, too bad.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:49 PM

Ball at the Texans 3.

Jennings sweeps right for the TD.

Texans 10, Jags 7

14:54 left in the half.

Arky 01-02-2011 03:56 PM

Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texans 25.

Pass to OD goes to near midfield. 1st down.

Foster cuts and weaves for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Foster for 4 and the 1st down. Ball at the Jags 35.

Pass to KW headed to the endzone goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Ward hits the left side for the TD! 35 yards....

Texans 17, Jags 7

12:53 left in the half.

Nconroe 01-02-2011 03:58 PM

Both teams really running the ball well against opposing defense. OD is a good TE receiver for sure. offense is nice, now need some defense.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:07 PM

Texans 156 yards rushing....

Karim brings the kickoff back to the Jags 30.

Pass to Hill good for 16.

Jennings goes right side for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Edwards pressured, throws it away. 3rd and 2 coming up.

Jennings for 1. Brings up 4th and 1. Jags to go for it.

Edwards sneaks for the 1, 1st down by about an inch.

Jennings for 4. Ball at the Texan 40. 2nd and 6 coming up.

End around to Thomas goes for nice gainer and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 23.

Jennings for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:07 PM

On 2nd and 8, pass to Thomas goes over his head, inc. Makes it 3rd and 8.

Pass to Thomas in the endzone goes over his head, inc. Jags to go for the FG.

Scobee's 39 yarder is good.

Texans 17, Jags 10

8:40 left in the half.

Nconroe 01-02-2011 04:10 PM

At this pace, looks like a lot of scoring on both sides today.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:14 PM

Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 33.

Foster catches the dump off for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Foster for about 3. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Foster caught in the backfield for a loss. Makes it 4th and 10 and the Texans will have to punt.

Punt is brought back to the Jags 25.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:22 PM

Karim up the middle gets 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.

Karim gets 10 on the counter. 1st down at the Jags 39.

Karim gets about 12 on the pitch right.

Jennings for no gain but flag on the play. Hands to the face on Lewis. 5 yards and a 1st down.

Jennings gets about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.

Edwards pass is overthrown but they're gonna get Nolan for PI. Auto 1st down at the Texans 22.

Karim gets about 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.

Karim gets about 8. 1st and goal at the Texans 7.

2 minute warning.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:26 PM

Pass to Lewis goes for the 7 yard TD.

Texans 17, Jags 17

1:54 left in the half.

Let's see what the Texans do with the 2 minute drill.....

Nconroe 01-02-2011 04:27 PM

nice entertaining game so far

Arky 01-02-2011 04:31 PM

Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 28.

Pass to Dreessen goes for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Foster takes it to the Jags 45 for the 1st down.

Pass to JJ good for about 6. Ball at the Jags 49.

Pass to JJ goes to the Jags 38, 1st down. Timeout Texans (2 left). 1:09 left in the half.

Dump to JJ goes to the Jags 21, 1st down. 2nd timeout used by the Texans.

Foster on the draw only gets 2.

Pass to JJ inc out of the endzone. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Dump to JJ only gets 4. Timeout Texans with 4 seconds left - Texans to go for the FG.

Rackers 33 yarder is good.

Texans 20, Jags 17

Halftime.

Arky 01-02-2011 04:40 PM

Halftime stats:

Passing: Schaub 11/14, 124 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

Rushing: Foster 13/99, Ward 4/63

Receiving: JJ 4/38, OD 2/35, KW 2/31

Tackles: Wilson 7, Bentley/Okoye/Nolan 4 each, Cody/Diles 3 each, Lewis/Smith/GQ 2 each

3rd down conversions: Texans 2/5, Jags 0/3

Turnovers: Texans 0, Jags 0

Red zone: Texans 1/3, Jags 2/2

1st downs: Texans 12, Jags 15

Total Yards: Texans 286, Jags 172

Time of possession: Texans 14:07, Jags 15:53

Arky 01-02-2011 04:50 PM

Jags (Karim) bring the 2nd half kickoff back to their own 33.

Jennings TFL -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.

Quick pass over the middle goes inc. Makes it 3rd and 12.

Edwards scrambles for 13 and the 1st down.

Pass to Hill off his hands, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Adibi tackles Jennings after a 2 yard gain. 3rd and 8 coming up.

Pass to Hill gets about 7..... Makes it 4th and 1. Jags to go for it.

Jennings gets about 4 and the 1st down.

Edwards can't find anyone open and scrambles for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up. Ball at the Texans 41.

Jennings gets about 2 but flag on the play. Holding on Jags -10 makes it 2nd and 19.

Timeout Jags.

Arky 01-02-2011 05:00 PM

On 2nd and 19, pass to Thomas goes for 12. 3rd and 7 coming up.

3rd down pass goes inc due to pressure. Makes it 4th and 7. Jags to punt.

Punt is downed by the Jags at the Texan 3. Texans ball.

Arky 01-02-2011 05:08 PM

Pass to OD good for about 14. 1st down.

Foster gets about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.

Foster for 5. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Dump to JJ, breaks some tackles gets a big gainer. Ball at the Jags 44.

Pass to KW goes to the Jags 21.

Pass to OD inc but holding on the Jags. 5 yards and a auto 1st down. Ball at the Jags 16.

Screen to OD goes for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.

Foster takes it to the 5 yard line. 1st and goal.

Foster for no gain. 2nd and goal.

Pass to KW over his head, inc. 3rd and goal coming up.

Pass to OD over the middle gets the TD!

Texans 27, Jags 17

3:47 left in the 3rd.

Nconroe 01-02-2011 05:14 PM

I think Rackers is a better tackler than most of our defensive players, lots of tackles on kickoffs for that guy and that was a good one just then.


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