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painekiller 02-28-2011 04:20 PM

Draftsite.com new mock 2.28.11
 
11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 5" 260
42 Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11" 170
73 Jonathan Baldwin* WR Pittsburgh 6' 5" 225
104 Colin McCarthy OLB Miami 6' 3" 240
135 Mario Butler CB Georgia Tech 6' 1" 185
173 Colin Baxter OC Arizona 6' 4" 295
202 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 1" 215

one of the worse mocks I have seen, 4 offensive picks when we have the worse defense in the league.

11 J.J. Watt* DE Wisconsin 6' 6" 285 or Stephen Paea DE/NT? Oregon State 6' 1" 303 (I prefer to trade down here)
42 Dontay Moch OLB Nevada 6' 1" 245
73 Stefen Wisniewski OG Penn State 6' 3" 297
104 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 2" 307
135 Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5' 11" 210
173 Jalil Brown CB Colorado 6' 1" 205
202 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

Roy P 03-01-2011 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 24635)
Are ya'll watching the combine some on NFL network.

Yes. I am recording it so I can watch and re-watch until I've nitpicked it to death. :D

painekiller 03-02-2011 09:55 PM

WalterFootball.com 5 round mock 3.2.11
 
here is there take on the Texans 5 picks in this mock:
Quote:

#11 Houston Texans: Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
With the shift to Wade Phillips' 3-4, Houston will need a nose tackle to pair with ends Mario Williams and Antonio Smith. DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing would play inside linebacker, while the outside pass rushers would be Connor Barwin and... umm... Robert Quinn.

Quinn missed the 2010 season because the NCAA is ridiculously stupid, hypocritical and tyrannical. If he had played, he'd probably be a consensus top-five prospect, so Houston is getting major value with this selection.

Other 2011 NFL Draft Possibilities:

1. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB - Other rush linebacker options. If Robert Quinn is off the board, Aldon Smith could be Houston's new pass-rusher.

2. Cameron Jordan or J.J. Watt, DE/DT - The Texans want an upgrade at five technique, and either Cameron Jordan or J.J. Watt could be the best player on Houston's board.

3. Prince Amukamara, CB - Prince Amukamara could be the pick if he's available. The Texans are looking for a top-flight cornerback to pair with Kareem Jackson.

#42 Houston Texans: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
The Texans will be targeting a rush linebacker and a cornerback with their top two selections in the 2011 NFL Draft. Robert Quinn filled the former need with the 11th pick in the first round. Brandon Harris, the top player available, would satisfy the latter.

Despite taking Kareem Jackson in the first round of last year's draft, Houston still must address the cornerback position. Kareem Jackson has to improve, while Glover Quin would be better served as the nickel or free safety.

#73 Houston Texans: Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole Miss
With Amobi Okoye as their only option, the Texans are in the market for a nose tackle. Jerrell Powe is certainly worth taking in the third round.

#104 Houston Texans: Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
The Texans desperately need to address both safety positions this offseason. Free safety is more dire, as Eugene Wilson was recently released.

#135 Houston Texans: Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Bernard Pollard is great in run support, but he's a huge liability in coverage. That's not a good thing if you're trying to beat Peyton Manning twice a year.
How can I complain about Quinn, Harris, Powe, Williams and Lefeged, my only issue I don't have many of these guys available when we take them in this mock.

With no starting safeties on the team any more, safeties has become a huge need with this team. Quinn and Nolan maybe the safeties next year, and I can be ok with that, but we need a talent influx and numbers added to the DBs on this team.

Blitzwood 03-03-2011 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24641)
With no starting safeties on the team any more, safeties has become a huge need with this team. Quinn and Nolan maybe the safeties next year, and I can be ok with that, but we need a talent influx and numbers added to the DBs on this team.

I thought they would try out S. McManis at FS, guess they still could.


My take using walters

11. Robert Quinn, OLB, UNC
42. Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
73. Ahmad Black, S, Florida
104. Nate Irving, ILB, N.C. State
135. Ugo Chinasa, 3-4DE, Oklahoma State
173. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas

painekiller 03-04-2011 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24641)
here is there take on the Texans 5 picks in this mock:


How can I complain about Quinn, Harris, Powe, Williams and Lefeged, my only issue I don't have many of these guys available when we take them in this mock.

With no starting safeties on the team any more, safeties has become a huge need with this team. Quinn and Nolan maybe the safeties next year, and I can be ok with that, but we need a talent influx and numbers added to the DBs on this team.

They added a 6th round
Quote:

Houston Texans: Steven Friday, DE/OLB, Virginia Tech
I'd be pretty surprised if the Texans didn't draft multiple rush linebackers this April for their new 3-4 defense.
As for my cherry pick?

11 Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor why not? they have him at 21, and in this draft the difference between 11 and 27 is not so much in terms of talent, just few superstars.
42 Brooks Reed, DE/OLB, Arizona
73 Dontay Moch, DE/OLB, Nevada
104 Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
135 Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton
173 Jalil Brown, CB, Colorado

painekiller 03-04-2011 01:52 AM

draftsite.com new mock 4.3.11
 
11 Aldon Smith** DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11.3" 174
73 Rashad Carmichael CB Virginia Tech 5' 10" 192
104 Robert Sands* S West Virginia 6' 4.3" 217
135 Jerrell Powe DT Mississippi 6' 1.6" 335
173 Josh Bynes ILB Auburn 6' 2" 239
202 James Brewer OT Indiana 6' 6.2" 323

I don't see this GM/HC going with more underage starters, Smith is a red shirt sophomore. He has the measurables, but ....

11 Brandon Harris* CB Miami 5' 9.4" 191
42 Dontay Moch DE Nevada 6' 1.3" 248
73 Tyler Sash* S Iowa 6' 0" 211
104 Brooks Reed DE Arizona 6' 2.4" 263
135 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 6' 1.3" 198
173 Greg Salas WR Hawaii 6' 1.1" 210
202 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

NBT 03-04-2011 02:04 PM

Dontae Moch put up some huge numbers at the Combine, but does he have the football savy to go along with it?

Deunta Williams ran a dissapointing 4.64/40.

painekiller 03-04-2011 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 24657)
Dontae Moch put up some huge numbers at the Combine, but does he have the football savy to go along with it?

Deunta Williams ran a dissapointing 4.64/40.

One good thing about Moch, Wade Phillips worked with him at the Shriners game, so Wade will have insight into the kid, if Wade likes the kid we draft him, if Wade doesn't like the kid he is not drafted here.

Will Moch be a Texan? I can't say but our draft grade will have Wade's fingerprints all over it.

painekiller 03-09-2011 11:03 PM

Drafttek.com 3.8.11 mock draft
 
Quote:

11 Robert Quinn North Carolina OLB34

Could the Mighty Quinn really fall this far? Uncle Wade sure hopes so, as the athletic Tar Heel pass-rusher is quite the specimen (should we say "Trophy Prospect") even if he did take last year off. He still has to prove he can make the conversion to an all-around OLB in Phillips' 3-4 alignment. He did move around quite a bit for North Carolina, most often rushing the passer - training in coverage responsibilities will be the next step in his progression. At 6'4" and 265 lbs, he immediately adds a presence to the flanks and if a team doesn't have OLB's, there is no point in running a 3-4.

#42 Johnny Patrick Louisville CB

A slick covering CB that has been moving up the Big Board ranks -- those of you who have not seen many Big East games have not witnessed one of the shining stars for the Louisville Cardinals. Let's face it -- Houston had the worst defensive secondary in the league last year and Patrick adds some much needed "attitude" to the corner position on the Texan defense. It was no secret to AFC South QB's that if they had time, Houston's secondary could be beat. Yes, Uncle Wade still has some needs on the front 7 positions for his 3-4 conversion project, but the secondary could not be ignored and this is excellent value at a position of dire need!

#73 Sione Fua Stanford DT34
#104 Steven Friday Virginia Tech OLB34
#141 Will Rackley Lehigh OG
#172 Jermale Hines Ohio State FS
#202 Nate Williams Washington SS
I'm starting to like the idea of Quinn at 11, he should be gone higher, and he would be out of character for the Texans to draft, but he was a stud on tape.

11 Robert Quinn North Carolina OLB34
42 Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh OLB34
73 Tyler Sash Iowa SS
104 Chimdi Chekwa Ohio State CB
141 Niles Paul Nebraska WRF
172 Joe Lefeged Rutgers SS
202 Mark LeGree Appalachian State FS

This is a DB loaded draft, and some stud OL guys in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.

Blitzwood 03-12-2011 12:55 AM

draftsite 3-11
 
**acquired pick for a future pick.

11. Cameron Jordan DE3-4 Cal 6' 4" 287 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIVT...eature=related
42. Curtis Brown CB/FS Texas 5' 11.5" 185
73. Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
104. Steven Friday OLB3-4 Virginia Tech 6'4" 250
135. Nate Irving OLB/ILB North Carolina State 6' 1" 240 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKArcBAlXZY
**150.**Ronald Johnson WR USC 5' 11.2" 199 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owFdF...1&feature=fvwp
173. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175
202. Markus White DE Florida State 6' 3.4" 266


UDFA J.T. Thomas OLB West Virginia 6'2" 240 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UFAoHD5Zkc

painekiller 03-12-2011 10:57 PM

Draftsite 3.11.11 Mock
 
11 Aldon Smith** DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Drake Nevis DT LSU 6' 0.5" 294
73 Rashad Carmichael CB Virginia Tech 5' 10" 192
104 Jeremy Kerley WR TCU 5' 9.4" 189
135 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
173 Josh Bynes ILB Auburn 6' 2" 239
202 Chase Beeler OC Stanford 6' 3" 285

IMO this would be a poor draft.

My cherry

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Dontay Moch DE Nevada 6' 1.3" 248
73 Tyler Sash* S Iowa 6' 0" 211
104 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
135 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
173 Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 6' 4.3" 223
202 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215

Nconroe 03-14-2011 12:19 AM

looks like no FA's before the draft, so I could go with the last Cherry Pick. some good choices.

painekiller 03-14-2011 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 24670)
looks like no FA's before the draft, so I could go with the last Cherry Pick. some good choices.

Not happy with no big bodies in my cherry pick but there is some speed.

Blitzwood 03-14-2011 11:03 PM

Drfaftsite 3.14
 
New draft order with comp pick included:

11 Aldon Smith DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Brandon Burton CB Utah 5' 11.5" 190
73 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
99 Armon Binns WR Cincinnati 6' 3" 209
108 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
143 Justin Boren OG Ohio State 6' 2.7" 309
186 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 0.6" 217
219 Sean Bedford OC Georgia Tech 6' 1" 285



My take:

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Quinton Carter S Oklahoma 6' 0.5" 208
73 Jarvis Jenkins DT/NT Clemson 6' 4" 310
99 Armon Binns WR Cincinnati 6' 3" 209
108 Terrell McClain DT/DE3-4 South Florida 6' 1.5" 297
143 Ronald Johnson WR USC 5' 11.2" 199
186 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
219 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

On another note, what do ya'll think about trying Dorin Dickerson out at S? He might see the field faster than if he was to stay at 3rd string WR. And we know he has 4.4 speed......just a thought.

painekiller 03-15-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 24672)
New draft order with comp pick included:

11 Aldon Smith DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Brandon Burton CB Utah 5' 11.5" 190
73 Deunta Williams S UNC 6' 2" 205
99 Armon Binns WR Cincinnati 6' 3" 209
108 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
143 Justin Boren OG Ohio State 6' 2.7" 309
186 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 0.6" 217
219 Sean Bedford OC Georgia Tech 6' 1" 285



My take:

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Quinton Carter S Oklahoma 6' 0.5" 208
73 Jarvis Jenkins DT/NT Clemson 6' 4" 310
99 Armon Binns WR Cincinnati 6' 3" 209
108 Terrell McClain DT/DE3-4 South Florida 6' 1.5" 297
143 Ronald Johnson WR USC 5' 11.2" 199
186 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
219 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175

On another note, what do ya'll think about trying Dorin Dickerson out at S? He might see the field faster than if he was to stay at 3rd string WR. And we know he has 4.4 speed......just a thought.

No to Dickerson moving to defense, when was the last successful move of an offensive player to defense in the NFL? I really don't remember, not being a wise a$$.

As for a new cherry pick

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Quinton Carter S Oklahoma 6' 0.5" 208
73 Stefen Wisniewski OG Penn State 6' 3" 313
99 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
108 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
143 Kendrick Ellis DT Hampton 6' 4.7" 346
186 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
219 Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210

Not my best effort, to many safeties. It is a position of need but no way 3 rookies safeties make the team. I liked Blitzwood mock, so I kept a few of his picks.

Blitzwood 03-15-2011 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24673)
No to Dickerson moving to defense, when was the last successful move of an offensive player to defense in the NFL? I really don't remember, not being a wise a$$.


I know Kubiak is no Bill Bellichick, but
memba him? I saw a show on NFL network the other day
about the 2004 Patriots that gave me the idea.

http://www.patriotsgab.com/2007/11/2...own-activated/

The New England Patriots on Tuesday activated wide receiver Troy Brown from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list, reviving the career of one of the most versatile players from the team’s three Super Bowl victories. He had been placed on the PUP list on August 28; he resumed practicing with the team on November 12, giving the Patriots until 4 PM EST Tuesday (today) to either activate, release or put him on injured reserve.

Brown, an 8th-round selection in the 1993 draft, has spent his entire career with the Patriots; as the longest-tenured member of the team, he has 557 career receptions (1st on franchise history) and 6,366 receiving yards (2nd all-time). He is also the team’s all-time leading punt returner with 246 returns for 2,570 yards; his 3 punt returns for touchdowns ties Irving Fryar for the team record.

During the 2004 season, Patriots head coach Bill Bellichick put Brown into a depleted secondary at cornerback; the move paid dividends as he responded with 14 tackles, 3 interceptions and 3 fumbles recovered. Brown also played defense in 2006, although on a more limited basis.

painekiller 03-15-2011 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 24674)
I know Kubiak is no Bill Bellichick, but
memba him? I saw a show on NFL network the other day
about the 2004 Patriots that gave me the idea.

http://www.patriotsgab.com/2007/11/2...own-activated/

The New England Patriots on Tuesday activated wide receiver Troy Brown from the physically unable to perform (PUP) list, reviving the career of one of the most versatile players from the team’s three Super Bowl victories. He had been placed on the PUP list on August 28; he resumed practicing with the team on November 12, giving the Patriots until 4 PM EST Tuesday (today) to either activate, release or put him on injured reserve.

Brown, an 8th-round selection in the 1993 draft, has spent his entire career with the Patriots; as the longest-tenured member of the team, he has 557 career receptions (1st on franchise history) and 6,366 receiving yards (2nd all-time). He is also the team’s all-time leading punt returner with 246 returns for 2,570 yards; his 3 punt returns for touchdowns ties Irving Fryar for the team record.

During the 2004 season, Patriots head coach Bill Bellichick put Brown into a depleted secondary at cornerback; the move paid dividends as he responded with 14 tackles, 3 interceptions and 3 fumbles recovered. Brown also played defense in 2006, although on a more limited basis.

Thanks, I had forgotten this one. But I will also point out Brown was a seasoned veteran WR who understood route trees, offensive game plans and such, this is knowledge that Dickerson is still learning.

Brown was a solid contributor before the move and Dickerson is a bottom of the roster guy.

So I still say no way he is converted.

Blitzwood 03-16-2011 08:28 PM

walters new mock 3.15.2011
 
11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
42. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
73. Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole Miss
104. Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
135. Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
173. Rick Elmore, DE/OLB, Arizona


my cherry


11. Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
42. Stephen Paea, DT/3-4DE, Oregon State
73. Jake Kirkpatrick, C, TCU
104. Shiloh Keo, SS, Idaho
135. J.T. Thomas, OLB, West Virginia
173. Chris L. Rucker, CB/FS, Michigan State
7th round- James Dockery, CB, Oregon State http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1AyCwj9qNU

Warren 03-16-2011 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24675)
Thanks, I had forgotten this one. But I will also point out Brown was a seasoned veteran WR who understood route trees, offensive game plans and such, this is knowledge that Dickerson is still learning.

Brown was a solid contributor before the move and Dickerson is a bottom of the roster guy.

So I still say no way he is converted.

Brown was also a band-aid for the Pats' secondary rather than a permanent conversion to the other side of the ball.

The most successful offense-to-defense convert that I can think of is Nolan Cromwell, who was a QB at Kansas and a Pro Bowl safety for the LA Rams in the 80s. Tony Dungy was a QB at Minnesota and a backup DB for the Steelers in the 70s. Former Nebraska QB Scott Frost hung around for a few years as a safety, but mainly as backup and special teamer. And speaking of Nebraska QBs, who could forget the Texans' Jammal Lord experiment? :p There was an Ohio State RB named Butler By'Not'e who the Broncos drafted in 1994 and converted to CB but he never did much. Former Texas A&M RB Sirr Parker tried to switch to CB in the NFL but wasn't able to catch on.

I don't think they should try to convert Dickerson, especially this year when there's going to be little or no offseason coaching. Even in a more normal year it would be tough to do this because there's no NFL-Europe where he could get offseason reps in game conditions and with free agency there's less incentive to make the extra effort to develop a guy who may leave by the time he's ready to really contribute.

painekiller 03-17-2011 10:46 AM

Drafttek.com 3.15.11 #24 mock draft
 
Quote:

11 Robert Quinn North Carolina OLB34
For the 2nd consecutive week, the Mighty Quinn falls to Houston; the athletic Tar Heel pass-rusher is quite the specimen (should we say "Trophy Prospect") even if he did take last year off. He still has to prove he can make the conversion to an all-around OLB in Phillips' 3-4 alignment. He did move around quite a bit for North Carolina, most often rushing the passer - training in coverage responsibilities will be the next step in his progression. At 6'4" and 265 lbs, he immediately adds a presence to the flanks and if a team doesn't have OLB's, there is no point in running a 3-4. - Long Ball

42 Cameron Heyward Ohio State DE34
The front 7 conversion project of Wade's 3-4 continues - Cameron Heyward (son of "Iron-Head") has dropped in the rankings after receiving a pre-season 1st round grade based on his junior season. Although the Buckeye's senior year was not as dominant, he is good value in the 2nd round. After Quinn (OLB34) in the 1st round, this is the next building block in Houston's conversion to a 3-4 defense. The Texans' current roster only has 2 candidates to play DE in a 3-4: Mario Williams and Antonio Smith. Heyward compliments this duo nicely and provides an excellent rotation pattern for the 3-man line. - Long Ball

73 Jerrell Powe Mississippi DT34
104 Steven Friday Virginia Tech OLB34
141 DeMarcus Love Arkansas OG
172 Chris L. Rucker Michigan State CB
202 Nate Williams Washington SS
I like the start of this one but the DBs were ignored, and this is a deep draft for DBs.

painekiller 03-25-2011 06:59 PM

Well it looks like we get the #253 pick, not many last picks of the draft have an impact on the team, so I say draft a punter, preferably Chas Henry Florida if he is not already gone.

My 2nd choice is Derek Epperson, Baylor a big kid with a big leg 6-3 235. Averaged over 44 yds each of the last two years.

painekiller 03-29-2011 08:46 PM

DraftSite.com 3.28.11
 
Updated with the supplemental picks.

11 Aldon Smith** DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Brandon Burton* CB Utah 5' 11.5" 190
73 Chris Conte S Cal 6' 0.3" 197
105 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
138 Ross Homan OLB Ohio State 6' 0.6" 240
178 Jason Kelce OC Cincinnati 6' 2.5" 280
213 Josh Nesbitt QB Georgia Tech 6' 1" 217
253 Taiwan Jones* RB Eastern Washington 6' 0" 194

Not my favorite mock, but possible.

11 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 3.2" 334
42 Brooks Reed OLB Arizona 6' 2.4" 263
73 Stefen Wisniewski OC Penn State 6' 3" 313
105 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
138 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
178 Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
213 Chas Henry Punter Florida
253 Stephen Burton WR West Texas A&M Sr 6-1 221

painekiller 03-30-2011 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24723)
Updated with the supplemental picks.

11 Aldon Smith** DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Brandon Burton* CB Utah 5' 11.5" 190
73 Chris Conte S Cal 6' 0.3" 197
105 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
138 Ross Homan OLB Ohio State 6' 0.6" 240
178 Jason Kelce OC Cincinnati 6' 2.5" 280
213 Josh Nesbitt QB Georgia Tech 6' 1" 217
253 Taiwan Jones* RB Eastern Washington 6' 0" 194

Not my favorite mock, but possible.

11 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 3.2" 334
42 Brooks Reed OLB Arizona 6' 2.4" 263
73 Stefen Wisniewski OC Penn State 6' 3" 313
105 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
138 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
178 Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
213 Chas Henry Punter Florida
253 Stephen Burton WR West Texas A&M Sr 6-1 221

What would I do? In the above mock, I would trade down to grab Taylor.

If I could I would trade with NE and drop to 28 and get #33 for the drop.

Now:
28 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 3.2" 334
32 Dontay Moch OLB Nevada 6' 1.3" 248
42 Quinton Carter S Oklahoma 6' 0.5" 208

NBT 03-30-2011 01:03 PM

That is the trouble with the trade down/up scenarios we see and hear of at this time of year. It is all a crapshoot because we really don't know what the other teams are thinking.

painekiller 04-01-2011 10:30 PM

Draftsite.com 4.1.11 mock
 
11 Aldon Smith** DE Missouri 6' 4.2" 263
42 Marvin Austin DT UNC 6' 1.5" 309
73 Chris Conte S Cal 6' 0.3" 197
105 Casey Matthews ILB Oregon 6' 2" 231
138 Greg Salas WR Hawaii 6' 1.1" 210
178 Jason Kelce OC Cincinnati 6' 2.5" 280
214 Taylor Potts QB Texas Tech 6' 5" 218
254 Malcolm Smith OLB USC 6' 1" 225


I think a few of these guys just don't fit. I know Wade says he tailors to his players, but ....

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
**33 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 3.2" 334
42 Quinton Carter S Oklahoma 6' 0.5" 208
73 Colin McCarthy ILB Miami 6' 1.3" 238
105 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 6' 1.3" 198
138 Greg Salas WR Hawaii 6' 1.1" 210
178 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
214 Taylor Potts QB Texas Tech 6' 5" 218
254 Derek Epperson PT Baylor 6'3" 240

** Trade with New England involving future 1st round pick.

painekiller 04-02-2011 12:08 PM

WalterFootball.com 3.29.11 Mock
 
Quote:

11 Houston Texans: Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
With the shift to Wade Phillips' 3-4, Houston will need a nose tackle to pair with ends Mario Williams and Antonio Smith. DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing would play inside linebacker, while the outside pass rushers would be Connor Barwin and... umm... Robert Quinn.

Quinn missed the 2010 season because the NCAA is ridiculously stupid, hypocritical and tyrannical. If he had played, he'd probably be a consensus top-five prospect, so Houston is getting major value with this selection.

Other 2011 NFL Draft Possibilities:

1. Cameron Jordan or J.J. Watt, DE/DT - The Texans want an upgrade at five-technique, and either Cameron Jordan or J.J. Watt could be the best player on Houston's board.

2. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB - Another rush linebacker option. If Robert Quinn is off the board, Aldon Smith could be Houston's new pass-rusher.

3. Prince Amukamara, CB - Prince Amukamara could be the pick if he's available. The Texans are looking for a top-flight cornerback to pair with Kareem Jackson.
Quote:

42 Houston Texans: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
With Amobi Okoye as their only option, the Texans are in the market for a nose tackle.

Stephen Paea isn't as big as some 3-4 teams would like, but he's the prototypical nose tackle for a Wade Phillips defense. The Texans are getting a steal with Paea; the Combine bench press record-holder would be a first-round pick if it weren't for his knee injury.

Pick change; previously Allen Bailey, DE/DT
Quote:

73 Houston Texans: Johnny Patrick, CB, Louisville
Despite taking Kareem Jackson in the first round of last year's draft, Houston still must address the cornerback position. Jackson has to improve, while Glover Quin would be better served as the nickel or free safety.

Pick change; previously Jerrell Powe, NT
Quote:

105 Houston Texans: Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, Temple
The Texans will be moving Glover Quin to free safety. They'll need an alternative option just in case that doesn't pan out.

Pick change; previously Marcus Gilchrist, CB
Quote:

Houston Texans: Ahmad Black, SS, Florida
Bernard Pollard is great in run support, but he's a huge liability in coverage. That's not a good thing if you're trying to beat Peyton Manning twice a year.

Pick change; previously Joe Lefeged, S
Quote:

178 Houston Texans: Rick Elmore, DE/OLB, Arizona
I'd be pretty surprised if the Texans didn't draft multiple rush linebackers this April for their new 3-4 defense.
Cherry picking this one is harder to do cause I like this mock. So how about this one?

11 Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
42 Tyler Sash, SS, Iowa
73 Dontay Moch, DE/OLB, Nevada
105 Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
138 Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State
178 Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin

Just kidding on #178 Justin Trattou, DE/OLB, Florida

Blitzwood 04-11-2011 10:19 PM

Draftsite.com April 11
 
11. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 6' 3.3" 280
42. Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11.3" 174
73. Tyler Sash S Iowa 6' 0" 211
105. Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU 6' 1.7" 250
138. Martin Parker DT Richmond 6' 2.1" 303
178. Justin Boren OG Ohio State 6' 2.7" 309
215. Brandon Bair DT Oregon 6' 5.7" 283
256. Brandyn Thompson CB Boise State 5' 9.1" 189

My take.

11. Cameron Jordan DE Cal 6' 4.1" 287
42. Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB Pittsburgh 6' 2.7" 264
73. Marcus Gilchrist CB/S Clemson 5' 10" 195
105. Nate Irving ILB/OLB North Carolina State 6' 1" 240
138. Cliff Matthews DE/OLB South Carolina 6' 3.4" 257
164(*acquired from Baltimore*). Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
178. Terrance Toliver WR LSU 6' 3.4" 211
215. J.T. Thomas OLB West Virginia 6' 1" 241
256. Loyce Means CB Houston 5'10" 177

painekiller 04-13-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 24796)
11. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 6' 3.3" 280
42. Titus Young WR Boise State 5' 11.3" 174
73. Tyler Sash S Iowa 6' 0" 211
105. Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU 6' 1.7" 250
138. Martin Parker DT Richmond 6' 2.1" 303
178. Justin Boren OG Ohio State 6' 2.7" 309
215. Brandon Bair DT Oregon 6' 5.7" 283
256. Brandyn Thompson CB Boise State 5' 9.1" 189

My take.

11. Cameron Jordan DE Cal 6' 4.1" 287
42. Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB Pittsburgh 6' 2.7" 264
73. Marcus Gilchrist CB/S Clemson 5' 10" 195
105. Nate Irving ILB/OLB North Carolina State 6' 1" 240
138. Cliff Matthews DE/OLB South Carolina 6' 3.4" 257
164(*acquired from Baltimore*). Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
178. Terrance Toliver WR LSU 6' 3.4" 211
215. J.T. Thomas OLB West Virginia 6' 1" 241
256. Loyce Means CB Houston 5'10" 177

My take: no trades

11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 DeAndre McDaniel S Clemson 6' 0.1" 217
73 Devon House CB New Mexico State 6' 0" 180
105 Sione Fua DT Stanford 6' 1.4" 308
138 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
178 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 0.6" 217
215 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215
256 Eddie Jones OLB Texas 6'3" 265

painekiller 04-13-2011 03:59 PM

WalterFootball.com 4.11.11 Mock
 
#11
Quote:

Houston Texans: Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri
The Texans will spend a ton of 2011 NFL Draft picks on personnel for Wade Phillips' new 3-4 defense. Their top three needs are rush linebacker, defensive end (five-technique) and nose tackle. Cornerback also will be addressed, but from what I'm told, Houston has "some concerns" about using this selection on Prince Aumukamara.

The best player available of those three aforementioned positions could arguably be Aldon Smith. Some may think this is a bit too early for Smith, but I couldn't disagree more. It's never too early to draft a potential double-digit sack artist. Pass-rushing defensive ends often go earlier than projected.

Smith missed some action this year, which would explain why he had only 10 TFL and 4.5 sacks. However, he's a freak of nature and pretty much a lock for the top 15. He has drawn comparisons to Jason Pierre-Paul in terms of raw athleticism. The Cowboys have shown interest in him, likening him to DeMarcus Ware. Coincidentally, Ware was chosen with the 11th pick six years ago.

Other 2011 NFL Draft Possibilities:

1. J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan, DE/DT - The Texans want another five-technique, and they'll consider J.J. Watt and Cameron Jordan.

2. Prince Amukamara, CB - Prince Amukamara could be the pick if he's available. As I said though, the Texans have "some concerns" about spending back-to-back first-round picks on cornerbacks. They appear focused on upgrading the front seven.

Pick change; previously J.J. Watt, DE/DT
#42
Quote:

Houston Texans: Stephen Paea, NT, Oregon State
With Amobi Okoye as their only option, the Texans are in the market for a nose tackle.

Stephen Paea isn't as big as some 3-4 teams would like, but he's the prototypical nose tackle for a Wade Phillips defense. The Texans are getting a steal with Paea; the Combine bench press record-holder would be a first-round pick if it weren't for his knee injury.
#73
Quote:

Houston Texans: Jarvis Jenkins, DE/DT, Clemson
As mentioned in Round 1, the Texans are looking for numerous 3-4 personnel upgrades, including five-technique. Jarvis Jenkins is a second-round prospect who falls here out of circumstance.

Pick change; previously Chris Carter, DE/OLB
#105
Quote:

Houston Texans: Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
Despite taking Kareem Jackson in the first round of last year's draft, Houston still must address the cornerback position. Jackson has to improve, while Glover Quin would be better served as the nickel or free safety.
#138
Quote:

Houston Texans: Ahmad Black, SS, Florida
Bernard Pollard is great in run support, but he's a huge liability in coverage. That's not a good thing if you're trying to beat Peyton Manning twice a year.
#178
Quote:

Houston Texans: Jerrard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
The Texans will be moving Glover Quin to free safety. They'll need an alternative option just in case that doesn't pan out.

Pick change; previously Eric Hagg, S
Not a lot of changes but some. I wish someone would tell this guys that Okoye is not being considered the NT. But I do like Paea in Wade's system.

NBT 04-15-2011 11:43 AM

They want to move Quin to FS and they have cut Pollard. So a glaring need is going to be SS as well as CB.

Right now I like OLB Aldon Smith or NT Phil Taylor for our #1 pick. The 11th pick would be too early for either of them, I think. So we trade down........?

Blitzwood 04-16-2011 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 24815)
They want to move Quin to FS and they have cut Pollard. So a glaring need is going to be SS as well as CB.

I think the plan is to move Nolan to SS. Quin may or may not move to FS, guess we'll have to wait and see, but I know Wade wants his safety's to be able to cover if need be.

Blitzwood 04-17-2011 10:18 PM

Draftsite.com 4.17
 
11 Robert Quinn DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Torrey Smith WR Maryland 6' 0.7" 204
73 Drake Nevis DT LSU 6' 0.5" 294
105 Ahmad Black S Florida 5' 9" 190
138 Shareece Wright CB USC 5' 10.7" 185
178 Josh Bynes ILB Auburn 6' 2" 239
215 Jake Kirkpatrick OC TCU 6' 3" 305
256 Josh Nesbitt QB Georgia Tech 6' 1" 217



11 Robert Quinn DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 6' 1.3" 198
73 Nate Irving OLB North Carolina State 6' 1" 240
105 Martin Parker DT/NT Richmond 6' 2.1" 303
138 Joseph Barksdale OT LSU 6' 4.6" 325
178 Brandon Bair DT/DE3-4 Oregon 6' 5.7" 283
215 Alex Henery K Nebraska 6' 2" 175
256 Thomas Keiser OLB Stanford 6' 5" 258

Roy P 04-20-2011 09:48 AM

DraftTek Simulator
 
I was taking a look and seeing who might be available when and came up with this...

CB The Prince - Just because KJ wasn't very good means we SHOULD get another CB, not ignore the position.

NT Phil Taylor - Surprised he lasted until the 2nd round

OLB Chris "X-Files" Carter - A bargain pass-rusher.

WR Randall Cobb - I love this guy and he makes Jacoby expendable.

FS Mark LeGree - Don't understand why more scouts aren't talking this guy up. I want a FS with Ballskills.

DE Brandon Bair - Will need to add weight, but has the frame

C Kris O'Dowd - I will continue to try to replace our current OC.

Roy P 04-20-2011 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 24796)

My take.

11. Cameron Jordan DE Cal 6' 4.1" 287
42. Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB Pittsburgh 6' 2.7" 264
73. Marcus Gilchrist CB/S Clemson 5' 10" 195
105. Nate Irving ILB/OLB North Carolina State 6' 1" 240
138. Cliff Matthews DE/OLB South Carolina 6' 3.4" 257
164(*acquired from Baltimore*). Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
178. Terrance Toliver WR LSU 6' 3.4" 211
215. J.T. Thomas OLB West Virginia 6' 1" 241
256. Loyce Means CB Houston 5'10" 177

Just another thought...
1. Da'Quan Bowers - DE
2. Sam Acho - OLB
3. Devon House - CB
4. Kenrick Ellis - NT
5. Mark LeGree - FS
6. Greg McElroy - QB
7.

Blitzwood 04-20-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 24854)
Just another thought...
1. Da'Quan Bowers - DE
2. Sam Acho - OLB
3. Devon House - CB
4. Kenrick Ellis - NT
5. Mark LeGree - FS
6. Greg McElroy - QB
7.



I've been wavering alot on Prince lately, and this is why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

I really like the kid and wouldn't mind at all if we took him at 11, but I hope he doesn't have many games for us like he did against Blackmon. But I know Blackmon is a top 3 player next year. There's also alot of good tape out there on Prince. With that said, I think Prince is still getting better and don't see much of a drop off between him and Peterson. I'm a LSU fan and there was plenty of times I scratched my head on some of the gambles and plays Peterson made. FWIW, I actually think there's a better chance of having Quinn fall to us than Prince because of the medical on Quinn.

I liked the Bowers-Acho combo, but with all the reports about his knee and him projecting better in a 4-3, I lean towards Cameron Jordan as my end and Acho/Sheard are are toss ups in my book. I took Sheard because he's got a nastiness about him when he plays. I prefer Burton over House, but I REALLY like Legree. Brandon Bair from Oregon is another player I'm really liking at end if we go CB early. Jaiquawn Jarrett is another player I like in the mid rounds as a safety that isn't afraid to light people up at center field. I read somewhere the Texans weren't too high on Aldon Smith, but I believe there just sending out smoke screens.



I'd be good with:
1. Aldon Smith OLB
2. Sam Acho OLB (Barwin will need to be brought back slowly)
3. Jaiquawn Jarrett S / Brandon Burton CB
4. Nate Irving ILB (Diddo for Demeco)
5. Brandon Bair DE
6. Mark LeGree S
7. Darvin Adams / DJ Davis WR's

painekiller 04-23-2011 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 24825)
11 Robert Quinn DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Torrey Smith WR Maryland 6' 0.7" 204
73 Drake Nevis DT LSU 6' 0.5" 294
105 Ahmad Black S Florida 5' 9" 190
138 Shareece Wright CB USC 5' 10.7" 185
178 Josh Bynes ILB Auburn 6' 2" 239
215 Jake Kirkpatrick OC TCU 6' 3" 305
256 Josh Nesbitt QB Georgia Tech 6' 1" 217

My take:
11 Robert Quinn* DE UNC 6' 4" 265
42 Dontay Moch DE Nevada 6' 1.3" 248
73 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
105 Niles Paul WR Nebraska 6' 0.7" 224
138 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
178 Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6' 0.6" 217
215 Chas Henry PT Florida 6' 3" 215
254 Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 6'0" 210

Roy P 04-24-2011 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 24723)
Updated with the supplemental picks.

11 Phil Taylor DT Baylor 6' 3.2" 334
42 Brooks Reed OLB Arizona 6' 2.4" 263
73 Stefen Wisniewski OC Penn State 6' 3" 313
105 Joe Lefeged S Rutgers 5' 11.5" 210
138 Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 5' 11.6" 191
178 Mark LeGree S Appalachian State 5' 11.4" 210
213 Chas Henry Punter Florida
253 Stephen Burton WR West Texas A&M Sr 6-1 221

I just went through my draft board....

11. OLB Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 270 4.62
42. OLB Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 6'3" 264 4.68
73. DT Kenrick Ellis Hampton 6'5" 346 5.19
105. CB Chimdi Chekwa Ohio St 6'0" 191 4.38
138. S Deunta Williams North Carolina 6'1" 215 4.53
178. CB Jalil Brown Colorado 6'1" 204 4.52
213. CB Chykie Brown Texas 6'0" 185 4.45
253. WR Stephen Burton West Texas A&M 6'1" 221 4.5

I have two pass-rushers in case Barwin doesn't come on strong after injury and learning a new position. I might have 'reached' for Ellis, but need the NT for the 3-4 to work. I was hoping Mark LeGree would drop and thought about taking him over Deunta Williams. Chekwa and Chykie have the speed required to play CB. Jalil Brown has the strength and could possible play FS. Burton could be better than our current #2 WR.

Blitzwood 04-26-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 24875)
11. OLB Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 270 4.62

Fail............drug test ;)

jk.

NBT 04-27-2011 12:40 PM

If you are going for pass rusher at #11 I think Aldon Smith is the best available player, hands down.

Nconroe 04-27-2011 04:46 PM

So, I am ready for the draft using RP's evaluations and a few estimates by a few others who study this more than I. I day to go to see what will happen.

I think they should keep everyone on offense for 2011-12 they had last year. They are good enough already, don't change it at all, keep it consistent.

Add some good backups via draft to defense, and get some Free Agents to help defense as starters, including maybe a couple of all-star, pro-bowler guys.

If they want to draft a punter in seventh round but all the rest defense is what I expect. Pass rushers in front seven and ball hawks in secondary, guys with good accomplishments during their college days.


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