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painekiller 04-15-2010 04:21 PM

Sporting News has a 7 round Mock

they have us taking

1. CJ Spiller RB
Texans officials would be giddy if Spiller were to slip this far and would waste no time drafting him. Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews is the fallback option.
2. Perrish Cox CB
The Texans need a cornerback after losing Dunta Robinson. Cox likely would have been a first-round pick if not for concerns about his off-field behavior.
3. Linval Joseph DT
4. Darrell Stuckey S
5. Zane Beadles G
6. John Estes C
6. Cory Jackson FB
7. Trindon Holliday WR

My Cherry Pick is:

20 C.J. Spiller RB Clemson unless I can trade down, not many option here.
51 Kareem Jackson CB
81 Linval Joseph DT East Carolina
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Torrell Troup DT UCF
187 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah S Indiana (PA)
197 Andre Anderson RB Tulane
227 John Skelton QB Fordham

This is one of the worse draft boards I have seen. IMO No way Skelton is a 7th rounder, the late 1st sucks and the early 2nd is loaded. Dan Williams is there 85 best player....
John Skelton QB Fordham

kRocket 04-15-2010 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19316)
Sporting News has a 7 round Mock This is one of the worse draft boards I have seen. IMO No way Skelton is a 7th rounder, the late 1st sucks and the early 2nd is loaded. Dan Williams is there 85 best player....
John Skelton QB Fordham

I agree, but that is what makes it a horse race. We will know shortly !!:)

HPF Bob 04-15-2010 07:34 PM

Using the original Draftsite.com mock which appears to be updated to include recent trades, shows the Texans with:

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.

Not having done as much study as usual, here's my cherry pick:

1. 20: Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno St.
2. 51: Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
3. 81: Mike Johnson, OG, Alabama
4. 118: Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma St. (bet he goes earlier than this)
5. 150: Corey Peters, DT, Kentucky
6. 187: Andre Dixon, RB, Connecticut
6. 197: Justin Cole, DE, San Jose St.
7. 227: Kevin Matthews, C, Texas A&M

painekiller 04-15-2010 08:59 PM

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.

Would you be willing to trade out of the 1st for say Denver's #43 and #45? We than can go
43 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
45 Nate Allen S South Florida
51 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
81 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
118 Ben Tate RB Auborn

Defense goes off the chart, your back end gets a lot tougher and your DL jumps up in it's ability to move the pocket, and disrupt the run. OL is a still an issue, unless you go early.

And/or would you be willing to trade next years 1st for Philly's 2nd round pick # 37 and select someone like Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech, who is rumored to be on the Texans radar?

Blitzwood 04-15-2010 11:35 PM

I used walterfootball.com since they updated their mock today(4/15) and extented it to 6 rounds. They have us taking:

20. Earl Thomas FS (don't think he'll be around)
51. Ben Tate RB ( look familiar)
81. Amari Spievey CB
118. D'Anthony Smith DT
150. Blair White WR
187. Patrick Stoudamire CB
197. Alex Daniels DE

In this scenario I have the Texans trading their 20th pick for Cleveland's 2nd (38) and two out of their three third rounders (71 and 85). Holmgren knows how to be successful in this league and keep draft analysts guessing. He does it again this year by selecting Clausen at 7 without a doubt, but then the obvious qusetion becomes -who's he gonna throw it to? That's where we come in and select Demaryius Thomas for them, a potential number one. This also helps Kubiak/Smith immensely, he knows the quality depth this draft has in the early to middle rounds. Everyone wins with this trade. I have us selecting:

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

Roy P 04-16-2010 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19327)
I used walterfootball.com
Texans trading their 20th pick for Cleveland's 2nd (38) and two out of their three third rounders (71 and 85). Holmgren knows how to be successful in this league and keep draft analysts guessing. He does it again this year by selecting Clausen at 7 without a doubt, but then the obvious qusetion becomes -who's he gonna throw it to? That's where we come in and select Demaryius Thomas for them, a potential number one. This also helps Kubiak/Smith immensely, he knows the quality depth this draft has in the early to middle rounds. Everyone wins with this trade. I have us selecting:

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

38. CB Patrick Robinson - May be as good as Kyle Wilson
51. OG John Jerry - Run game improves and pass blocking too.
71. RB Toby Gerhart - Short yardage guy
81. RB Montario Hardesty - Insurance vs. injury
85. S Darrell Stuckey - I just like him too much to pass
118. QB Dan LeFevour - Keeps him out of Jax or Tenn (Te'o-Nesheim off board)
150. CB Kevin Thomas - Makes Molden expendable
187. FS Brian Jackson - Will compete with Stuckey for FS slot
197. WR Stephen Williams - My favorite WR not named Benn
227. OG Shelley Smith - Colorado kid with athleticism

The biggest problem is DL

painekiller 04-16-2010 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19327)
I used walterfootball.com

38. Kareem Jackson CB
51. Lamarr Houston DT
71. Jamar Chaney OLB
81. Amari Spievey CB
85. Jonathan Dwyer RB
118. Myron Lewis FS
150. Trindon Holliday PR/RB
187. Sergio Render OG
197. Alex Daniels DE

I'll play with your trade:

38 Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
51 Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas
71 Major Wright, FS, Florida
81 Amari Spievey CB
85 Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
118 Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
150 Jeff Byers, C/G, USC
187 Sergio Render, G, Virginia Tech
197 Stevenson Sylvester, OLB, Utah
227 Shelley Smith, OG Colorado State

dalemurphy 04-16-2010 05:50 AM

How about this trade: 20 and 197 to Phillie for 37, 70, 105

Here is a mock using Sporting News and then one using Walter with that trade in mind:

Sporting News
37.Kareem Jackson (cb)
51.Brian Price (dt)
70.Toby Gerhart (rb)
81.Hardesty (rb)
105.Tennant (c)
118. B Ghee (cb)
150. Myron Rolle (s)
187. Owasu-Ansah (s)
227. Skelton (qb)

Walter
37. Nate Allen (s)
51. Patrick Robinson (cb)
70. John Jerry (g)
81. J Dwyer (rb)
105. Tennant (c)
118. D'Anthony Smith (dt)
150. Joique Bell (rb)
187. Rashawn Jackson (fb)

nunusguy 04-16-2010 09:49 AM

9 QB Tim Tebow Florida
I know you all think I'm crazy but the truth is this kid (for the Bills) is a dream come true. Trading down if all three offensive tackles are taken is an option. The talk of the draft will be Tebow to the Bills if the LT's are gone.
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/...cks/DREW.shtml
**********************************
Drew Boylhart continues to provide giggles and grins with his latest mock -
Tebow in the top 10. Right !
For further amusement he's also got us taking Dan Williams at #20. I mean who (besides Boylhart) actually thinks Dan Williams, the absolute best pure NT in this Draft, isn't taken by somebody in the first 19 picks with the NFL stampeding en masse to the 3-4 ?

painekiller 04-16-2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 19336)
Drew Boylhart continues to provide giggles and grins with his latest mock -
Tebow in the top 10. Right !
For further amusement he's also got us taking Dan Williams at #20. I mean who (besides Boylhart) actually thinks Dan Williams, the absolute best pure NT in this Draft, isn't taken by somebody in the first 19 picks with the NFL stampeding en masse to the 3-4 ?

The Sporting News has Dan Williams ranked 85th

here is there DT ranking
Quote:

1 Ndamukong Suh
(Nebraska, DT) 6'3" 307 5.10 32 1.75 2.93 35.5 105.0 4.45 7.22 --
2 Gerald McCoy
(Oklahoma, DT) 6'4" 295 5.05 23 1.73 2.90 30.5 114.0 4.49 7.33 --
3 D'Anthony Smith
(Louisiana Tech, DT) 6'2" 304 4.91 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
4 Jared Odrick
(Penn State, DT) 6'5" 304 5.10 26 1.79 2.95 29.0 106.0 4.60 7.21 --
5 Brian Price
(UCLA, DT) 6'1" 303 5.16 34 1.74 2.93 28.5 96.0 -- -- --
6 Geno Atkins
(Georgia, DT) 6'1" 293 4.86 34 1.74 2.69 33.0 117.0 4.44 7.34 --
7 Arthur Jones
(Syracuse, DT) 6'3" 301 5.06 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
8 Lamarr Houston
(Texas, DT) 6'2" 305 4.88 30 1.65 2.84 33.5 114.0 4.72 7.62 --
9 Jeff Owens
(Georgia, DT) 6'1" 304 5.05 44 1.74 2.95 30.0 101.0 4.68 -- --
10 Al Woods
(LSU, DT) 6'3" 309 5.15 -- 1.74 3.01 37.0 109.0 4.67 7.45 --
11 Linval Joseph
(East Carolina, DT) 6'4" 328 5.10 39 1.80 2.99 30.0 100.0 4.72 8.12 --
12 Dan Williams
(Tennessee, DT) 6'2" 327 5.28 27 1.81 3.08 32.0 96.0 4.88 7.89 --
13 Cam Thomas
(North Carolina, DT) 6'4" 330 5.33 31 1.79 3.06 29.0 102.0 4.78 7.70 --
14 Earl Mitchell
(Arizona, DT) 6'1" 296 4.75 25 1.63 2.77 28.5 107.0 4.56 7.68 --
15 Corey Peters
(Kentucky, DT) 6'3" 300 5.08 -- 1.81 2.95 33.0 98.0 4.77 7.57 --
16 Mike Neal
(Purdue, DT) 6'3" 294 4.94 31 1.71 2.85 33.0 113.0 4.54 7.54 --
17 Tyson Alualu
(California, DT) 6'2" 295 4.94 21 1.68 2.83 35.5 112.0 4.44 7.16 --
18 Terrence Cody
(Alabama, DT) 6'3" 349 5.72 -- 1.93 3.30 20.5 90.0 5.05 8.20 --
19 Brandon Deaderick
(Alabama, DT) 6'3" 314 5.30 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20 Torrell Troup
(UCF, DT) 6'2" 314 5.18 34 1.81 2.99 29.0 98.0 4.72 7.63 --
21 Shaunte 'Boo' Robinson
(Wake Forest, DT) 6'1" 293 5.01 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
22 Andre Neblett
(Temple, DT) 6'0" 297 4.93 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
23 Kade Weston
(Georgia, DT) 6'4" 318 5.34 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
24 Aleric Mullins
(North Carolina, DT) 6'1" 321 4.99 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
25 Travis Ivey
(Maryland, DT) 6'3" 341 5.25 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
26 Nate Collins
(Virginia, DT) 6'2" 279 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
27 Ekom Udofia
(Stanford, DT) 6'1" 326 5.19 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
28 Vince Oghobaase
(Duke, DT) 6'5" 303 5.47 27 1.88 3.15 26.0 90.0 -- 7.85 --
29 Abe Karoma
(Western Illinois, DT) 6'2" 315 5.00 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30 Jeff Fitzgerald
(Kansas State, DT) 6'3" 271 4.95 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
31 Cordarrow Thompson
(Virginia Tech, DT) 6'1" 302 5.19 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
32 Jaron Baston
(Missouri, DT) 6'0" 309 5.11 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
33 Nathan Pepper
(South Carolina, DT) 6'1" 300 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
34 Mick Williams
(Pittsburgh, DT) 6'1" 280 4.93 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
35 Trey Bryant
(Baylor, DT) 6'2" 310 5.15 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
36 Todd Denlinger
(Ohio State, DT) 6'2" 292 5.25 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
37 Ricardo Mathews
(Cincinnati, DT) 6'1" 286 4.97 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
38 Garrett Brown
(Minnesota, DT) 6'1" 309 5.26 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
39 Malcolm Sheppard
(Arkansas, DT) 6'2" 285 5.19 19 1.79 2.99 28.0 100.0 4.77 7.80 --
40 Jake Ricks
(Auburn, DT) 5'2" 290 5.11 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
41 Jeff Stehle
(Wisconsin, DT) 6'4" 297 4.99 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
42 Sirod Williams
(Illinois, DT) 6'0" 296 5.21 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
43 Kyle Love
(Mississippi State, DT) 6'1" 310 5.10 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
So Drew is not out of line, I can see him falling to us, but also would not be surprised if he goes at 13 or so...

nunusguy 04-16-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19338)
So Drew is not out of line, I can see him falling to us, but also would not be surprised if he goes at 13 or so...

OK but please don't tell me you could see him falling to a mid-round pick (85th) ?
BTW did you know DB used to work as an advisor to former NY Gov Pataki ?

painekiller 04-16-2010 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 19339)
OK but please don't tell me you could see him falling to a mid-round pick (85th) ?
BTW did you know DB used to work as an advisor to former NY Gov Pataki ?

No i did not know that about Drew.

If Williams at at our pick at 20 we should look real hard at him if we think we need a NT.

But we can also grab Linval Joseph, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, Terrence Cody, Brandon Deaderick, Ekom Udofia, Boo Robinson if we want a NT.

Or Geno Atkins, Lamarr Houston, Jeff Owens, Tyson Alualu types if we want an undertackle (Okoye is supposed to be an undertackle).

nunusguy 04-16-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19340)
If Williams at at our pick at 20 we should look real hard at him if we think we need a NT.

But we can also grab Linval Joseph, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, Terrence Cody, Brandon Deaderick, Ekom Udofia, Boo Robinson if we want a NT.

Or Geno Atkins, Lamarr Houston, Jeff Owens, Tyson Alualu types if we want an undertackle (Okoye is supposed to be an undertackle).

I say make your picks into the strength of the Draft and therefor I'd like to use our first 2 picks on a CB & DT, the corner position of course is a bigger need area and then use the 3rd rounder on a back. However I'm worried they might use one of their first 2 picks on a back, maybe even Mathews with the top pick.

Roy P 04-16-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 19344)
I say make your picks into the strength of the Draft and therefor I'd like to use our first 2 picks on a CB & DT, the corner position of course is a bigger need area and then use the 3rd rounder on a back.

CB Patrick Robinson
DT Tyson Alualu
RB Anthony Dixon

Does that sound good? Cause that might be the best we can get.

Roy P 04-16-2010 07:45 PM

Another Mock where the CB/RB elude me until late

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 OG John Jerry
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
150 CB Trevard Lindley
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I'll have to get another RB in the UDFA pool. My first call will most likely go to Kentucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYtg...eature=related

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...;pageContainer

03/18/2010 - NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky: Smith ran for only 712 yards in his four years at Kentucky, but the 6-0, 211-pound senior put on a show for scouts at his pro day with 4.38 40, 36" vertical, 19 reps. That size and speed, along with his ability as a reciever and kick returner, will intrigue a team enough to at least make a call to his agent on Saturday afternoon to secure his services after the draft - if he's not picked up late. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

painekiller 04-16-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19349)
Another Mock where the CB/RB elude me until late

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 OG John Jerry
81 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
150 CB Trevard Lindley
187 S Robert Johnson
197 RB Andre Anderson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I'll have to get another RB in the UDFA pool. My first call will most likely go to Kentucky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYtg...eature=related

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...;pageContainer

03/18/2010 - NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Alfonso Smith, RB, Kentucky: Smith ran for only 712 yards in his four years at Kentucky, but the 6-0, 211-pound senior put on a show for scouts at his pro day with 4.38 40, 36" vertical, 19 reps. That size and speed, along with his ability as a reciever and kick returner, will intrigue a team enough to at least make a call to his agent on Saturday afternoon to secure his services after the draft - if he's not picked up late. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com


On another board i go to, a Kentucky fan was asked about Smith, he said to not even waste a roster space on the guy, he is not an instinctive runner, and he does not play to his pro day time.

Roy P 04-16-2010 09:16 PM

I thought there's not much harm in taking a guy as an UDFA and putting him on the practice squad to see if he develops. I think I'm just going to take Ben Tate in the 2nd round regardless of who is on the board. Then just hope that I can get an OL in the 3rd round like Asamoah, Jerry, or Walton.

This may be how I'd like the draft to turn out based upon filling needs with the best available talent....according to Draft Tek's Player List

20 CB Kyle Wilson
51 RB Ben Tate
81 OG Jon Asamoah
118 NT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 3T Earl Mitchell
197 S Robert Johnson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

nunusguy 04-17-2010 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19345)
CB Patrick Robinson
DT Tyson Alualu
RB Anthony Dixon

Does that sound good? Cause that might be the best we can get.

I like it !
Are you becoming a Patrick Robinson fan ? I thought he was the best CB in the SB game, but that's my only opportunity to see him as I never saw any of his FSU games ? Apparently the big knock on him during his college career was that he was "inconsistant".
I love Alualu, but there's so many good 3-Tech DT guys in this Draft that seriously really might be there for us in the second round.
Tell you what and I digress here, but I almost wish we had not drafted Connor Barwin last year, because Brandon Graham may be the single player who I was most impressed with from SB week, game and practice.

Roy P 04-17-2010 11:57 AM

I am impressed with Brandon Graham, but I think he's a 3/4 OLB. If he played on the Texans, we'd need to play him at the SAM, and that's where we have Cushing. Barwin was a very good pick in the 2nd round and I expect that we can expect 6 - 9 sacks from him this season as he was just learning the position last year and at the NFL level. Barwin's advantage over Graham is that he has more arm length and height, so he doesn't have to play as wide outside the OT to get to the QB.

When it comes to the CBs in the draft, I've made it known that I like them all about the same. They all have weaknesses that they bring. When they say that Robinson was 'inconsistent' that is a nice way to say he loses his focus. I don't know if he has ADD or what, but there are times during the game it looks like he is hypnotized and isn't paying attention to what he's doing. At other times, he looks like Champ Bailey, so go figure.

Roy P 04-17-2010 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 19320)
Using the original Draftsite.com mock which appears to be updated to include recent trades, shows the Texans with:

1. 20: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
2. 51: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
3. 81: Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
4. 118: Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas
5. 150: Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel
6. 187: Kam Chancellor, S, Virginia Tech (fulfilling our Va Tech draft quota)
6. 197: Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky
7. 227: Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma St.

Since I've sworn to take Ben Tate at #51 regardless of who is available, this is what I got.

20 LB Sean Weatherspoon
51 RB Ben Tate
81 OG John Jerry
118 DT Lamarr Houston
150 CB Alterraun Verner
187 DT Earl Mitchell
197 S Robert Johnson
227 CB Crezdon Butler

I think I'm ready for the draft to start. I'm still waiting to see where Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth are traded. I think that the Jags will complete a trade with the Eagles so Phi can draft Earl Thomas to fill the void left behind from Brian Dawkins. The Jags can then select Tebow at #24.

Blitzwood 04-17-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19356)
I am impressed with Brandon Graham, but I think he's a 3/4 OLB. If he played on the Texans, we'd need to play him at the SAM, and that's where we have Cushing. Barwin was a very good pick in the 2nd round and I expect that we can expect 6 - 9 sacks from him this season as he was just learning the position last year and at the NFL level. Barwin's advantage over Graham is that he has more arm length and height, so he doesn't have to play as wide outside the OT to get to the QB.

Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl. IMO, I think Barwin would make the better SAM or MIKE simply based on his size, speed, and TE experience.

painekiller 04-17-2010 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19358)
Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl. IMO, I think Barwin would make the better SAM or MIKE simply based on his size, speed, and TE experience.

I think you draft Graham and then draft Cody and go to a 3-4 with Barwin and Graham as OLBs, Cushing and Ryans as ILBs, your DE's are Mario and Smith backed up by Cody and Okoye, and NT is Cody and Okam.Then you have everyone attach the other side of the line of scrimmage on every play. No read and react, just attach attach attach. Heck bring Glanville in to be the DC.

nunusguy 04-17-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19358)
Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM? Because that's who he reminds me of, he was unblockable at the Senior Bowl.

Yup, that's who I thought of myself almost immediately when I first saw him making fools of all those OTs in the one-on-one drills in practice. You'd almost want to draft the guy just to keep him out of your own division (damn I hope the Titans or Jags don't somehow end up with him !).
And even though he was undersized (like Freeney) they said the thought was he could play in the 4-3 at the next level because he was also so strong against the run, though I do think RP is right in that he'd be best in the 3-4
(but then I feel that way about Connor Barwin).
Hey BTW, I read somewhere that Grahmn tore-up Iowas Bulaga when they played each other in their Big Ten game.

Roy P 04-17-2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19358)
Would you play Dwight Freeney at the SAM?

If his arms were 30" - then I would. If Freeney was as slow as Graham, then I would. However, Graham is no Freeney. He is closer to Lamar Woodley, but Woodley has longer arms to fight off TE's and OT's.

Blitzwood 04-17-2010 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19364)
If his arms were 30" - then I would. If Freeney was as slow as Graham, then I would. However, Graham is no Freeney. He is closer to Lamar Woodley, but Woodley has longer arms to fight off TE's and OT's.

I saw on NFLN a few days ago a report that his arms were 32", either way, he's a very intriguing prospect. I honestly believe he'd be a better DE in a 4-3.

I also heard the report about Buluga, who I feel is a RT. I think our RT, Winston, would struggle against him as well. I'd be alright with taking Graham at 20 if we knew we were gonna start him opposite Mario, move Smith into Okoye's spot, and have Barwin fresh to relieve both ends to keep constant pressure on teams while Okoye would spell Smith.

Roy P 04-17-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzwood (Post 19366)
I'd be alright with taking Graham at 20 if we knew we were gonna start him opposite Mario, move Smith into Okoye's spot, and have Barwin fresh to relieve both ends to keep constant pressure on teams while Okoye would spell Smith.

See, that is the difference between us. I am wanting to do that exact same thing with pick #150 Daniel Te'o-Nesheim. :D

painekiller 04-20-2010 02:17 PM

How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

McCourty is the physical CB that the team likes. Haynesworth makes everyone on the line better, Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams. Tate and Karim added to Slaton gives us a 3 headed monster. Our OL for 2011 becomes Brown Beadles Caldwell Jerry Winston size and quickness. Johnson is on the radar and is a physical safety.

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

Roy P 04-20-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19447)
How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

I like it even without Haynesworth. Getting Joseph in the 4th round is like getting Haynesworth Jr. I seriously think Linval gets drafted in the 2nd round now so we might just use it to get him there. So, that 4th round pick could go to CB Alterraun Verner. I'm not as big of a fan of Beadles as you or DB are so I'd wait until #150 to get my other OL Shawn Lauvao. That frees me up to get that DE from Washington at #125. I saw DB's profile on Cutrera and wondered why I never really noticed him before. Wondering if I could get Arizona's Earl Mitchell at #227.

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd 50 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 CB Alterraun Verner
4th 125 DE Daniel Te'O-Nesheim
5th 150 OG Shawn Lauvao
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 DT Earl Mitchell Arizona

painekiller 04-20-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19447)
How about this one?

Trade down in the 1st to Dallas for a 3rd and 4th round pick

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd trade to Washington for Albert Haynesworth
3rd 81 OG John Jerry Mississippi
3rd 90 RB Ben Tate Auburn
4th 118 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah or Marshall Newhouse TCU
5th 150 CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

McCourty is the physical CB that the team likes. Haynesworth makes everyone on the line better, Smith Haynesworth Okoye Williams. Tate and Karim added to Slaton gives us a 3 headed monster. Our OL for 2011 becomes Brown Beadles Caldwell Jerry Winston size and quickness. Johnson is on the radar and is a physical safety.

Cutrera is just a name being thrown out there.

OK Roy

1st 27 CB Devin McCourty Rutgers
2nd 51 RB Toby Gerhart
3rd 81 CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
3rd 90 DT Linval Joseph East Carolina
4th 118 DT Torrell Troup Central Florida
4th 125 OG Zane Beadles Utah
5th 150 OG Shawn Lauvao
6th 187 RB Deji Karim Southern Illinois
6th 197 S Robert Johnson Utah
7th 227 LB Jacob Cutrera LSU

Now the RBs are Slaton Gerhart and Karim, Thunder Lightning and Flash. McCourty starts with Quin, Owusu-Ansah push Quin and can play safety. Joseph and Troup play NT and will be part of the jumbo package on defense. Beadles and Lauvao are the OGs of the future. Johnson is solid.

for those that do not have the huddle report, get it,
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Jacob Cutrera LB LSU


TALENT BOARD

Round 2



STRENGTHS

Jacob has the speed, football intelligence and instincts to play any one of the linebacker positions. He has the size and bulk right now to be an outside linebacker, but don't let that fool you. This kid is a complete, impactful linebacker. He shows excellent skills in pass coverage and a burst to the ball that not many linebackers in this draft have on every down. He is one of the quickest linebackers in this draft; his timing and instincts when going to rush the passer are among the best in this draft. Jacob is a player who will fill the hole, shed a block and make the tackle. He is a head up, wrap up, squeeze and drive tackler who shows leadership skills through his play on the field. The truth is, I believe that Jacob is truly one of the better linebackers in this draft. Unfortunately, the problem right now is that Jacob is a part time linebacker and a bit of an anomaly at this point of the draft.



NEEDS TO IMPROVE

I'm not sure why this kid is not on the field every down. He is an every down linebacker, but LSU did not use him that way. He also has not been invited to the combine or the Senior Bowl. All I can tell you is what I see on the film and what I see in his talent, skill and instinct tell me he'll make a hell of a linebacker. Interestingly, a linebacker who is not being noticed at all by anyone but me, so you tell me why! Maybe there is a medical problem that I don't now about or maybe there are character issues that are not showing up in his play on the field for me to sense. All I can tell you is this kid is a hell of a player.



BOTTOM LINE

The talent board does not suggest to you where a player might be selected in the draft. Rob's value board does that. Jacob is a perfect example of how the two boards interact to give you a better understanding of how a player who is selected in the late rounds of a draft can become an impact player for the team that drafts him in the NFL. Jacob is the definition of a sleeper. He is not from a small program and there is plenty of film on him. He has played against some of the top talent at the college level. Every time I have seen LSU play this year, #54 was making an impact play on defense. He is smooth and efficient and the LSU defense was better when he was on the field. He just knows how to play the game of football. His talent and instincts are at the same level, and yet LSU seems to feel that he was not starting linebacker material for them. Perhaps I am mistaken about his pure speed, but I'm not about his talent to play at the next level. If I'm a GM looking at film of LSU, I would want to know why no one in the NFL draft world is listing this kid at all right now. I would want to know why Jacob was in a rotation situation? I would want to know why he was not invited to the Senior Bowl or Combine. There is no excuse for this kid being off the field at any time or in any game for LSU. I'm sure he could even play on the other side of the ball as a tight end or H-back -- he has that type of talent. The talent in the linebackers was good at LSU this year. But there was no one who played linebacker for LSU this year that was better than Jacob. Just about all of the impact plays made by the LSU linebackers this year were made by Jacob! So you tell me! Where is he? What is he doing and why was he not invited to the Combine and Senior Bowl? You cannot look at film this year of an LSU game and not see this kid flash across your screen as he makes a play. Damn...am I the only one watching film out here?



Drew Boylhart 2/10
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Zane Beadles OL Utah


TALENT BOARD

Round 1



STRENGTHS

Zane is an excellent offensive lineman, but is another Utah player playing out of position for the next level. Zane's impact position at the next level is as a left guard. He is a quick-in-space, powerful run blocking offensive lineman stuck in a pass happy offensive system. He has done an excellent job for his college team and is a solid pass blocker, but the truth is that Zane has accomplished this for his college team because of his football intelligence and by using excellent offensive line techniques. Zane's lack of "tackle like" lateral agility is the big reason he will have to be moved inside at the next level. He has excellent mental stamina and shows leadership skills through his play on the field. He shows great pride in blocking for his QB, but the real strength of his game is when he run blocks. He does a good job going to the second level and loves to pull and block. His foot speed seems to be faster when he can pull on a running play. He has good quickness out of his stance and shows enough change of direction skills to stay with a block in space for screen passes. This kid has excellent technique and has survived as a left tackle by staying true to that technique. In my opinion, Zane is the top pure guard in this draft. The problem is that he has been playing Left Tackle and most teams will downgrade Zane because he doesn't have tackle athletic abilities. Big mistake, big freaking mistake!



NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Zane could be used as a right tackle, but his impact position for the next level is as a left guard. Look at his combine numbers and compare them against the guards not the tackles.



BOTTOM LINE

This Utah team has excellent coaching on both sides of the ball that teach fundamentals. They don't play players who do not use those fundamentals in a game no matter how athletically gifted a player might be. It is obvious to me that the coaches will play a player out of position over a player who has more talent if the more gifted player is not using correct fundamentals. That is why you have to look at this team and its players in a different way than you would look at players on most other teams. You cannot profile with blinders on. You should not suggest that a player is not going to be a good player because they don't have the athletic ability to play the position they are playing in college at the next level. Because of Zane's power, quickness, mental stamina and excellent blocking techniques, you cannot suggest to me that because he lacks true left tackle lateral agility that he cannot play at the next level at a different position and be a Pro Bowl caliber player. In 1995, the Bills drafted a tackle at the 14th pick of the draft and moved him to the left guard position the day after the draft. Reuben Brown was selected to the Pro Bowl eight consecutive years while playing for the Bills from 1996 to 2003. Zane has this type of potential. I wonder if I'm the only one that sees it!

Drew Boylhart 2/10

painekiller 04-20-2010 11:41 PM

draft tek has a new mock up #28

Quote:

20 Dez Bryant Oklahoma State WR
51 Kareem Jackson Alabama CB
81 Ben Tate RB Auburn
118 Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh
150 Daniel Te'o-nesheim DE Washington
187 Robert Johnson FS Utah
197 Corey Peters DT43 Kentucky
227 Chris DeGeare OG Wake Forest
My cherry pick

20 Brandon Graham Michigan DE is BPA but they will take Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
51 Lamarr Houston Texas DT
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Kevin Thomas USC CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jamar Wall Texas Tech CB
227 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB

Roy P 04-21-2010 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19462)
draft tek has a new mock up #28



My cherry pick

20 Brandon Graham Michigan DE is BPA but they will take Ryan Mathews Fresno State RBF
51 Lamarr Houston Texas DT
81 Mike Johnson Alabama OG
118 Linval Joseph East Carolina DT
150 Kevin Thomas USC CB
187 Robert Johnson Utah FS
197 Jamar Wall Texas Tech CB
227 Deji Karim Southern Illinois RB

I put this in the other thread, but for comparison....this is using my board, NOT Cherry picking after the fact. Thought it interesting a few of my picks and the computer were the same....

20 CB Kareem Jackson
51 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 FS Robert Johnson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 RB Deji Karim

painekiller 04-21-2010 02:37 PM

draftsite.com

20 Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
51 Reshad Jones* S Georgia
81 Brandon LaFell WR LSU
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Charlie Tanner OG Texas
187 Travis Goethel OLB Arizona State
197 Ryan Perrilloux QB Jacksonville State
227 C.J. Wilson DE East Carolina


My Cherry Pick
1st Dan Williams DT Tennessee
2nd Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
3rd Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
4th Lamarr Houston DT Texas
5th Zane Beadles OG Utah
6th Jeff Byers OG USC
6th Javarris James RB Miami
7th Keaton Kristick OLB Oregon State

painekiller 04-21-2010 03:18 PM

Guys I would be happy with at each pick:

1st: Dan Williams, CJ Spiller, Earl Thomas, Brandon Graham, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Sean Weatherspoon, Kyle Wilson, Ryan Mathews, Jerry Hughes, Taylor Mays, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson

2nd: Tyson Alualu, Terrence Cody, Morgan Burnett, Toby Gerhart, Linval Joseph, Lamarr Houston, Jerome Murphy, Ben Tate, Torrell Troup, Major Wright, Javier Arenas, John Jerry, Montario Hardesty, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Jon Asamoah

3rd: Zane Beadles, Reshad Jones, Myron Lewis, Jonathan Dwyer, Geno Atkins, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, JD Walton, Mike Johnson, Koa Misi

4th-5th:Shawn Lauvao, Kam Chancellor, Dekoda Watson, James Starks, LeGarrette Blount, Charles Scott, Mitch Petrus, Marshall Newhouse, Walter McFadden, Mitch Petrus, Myron Rolle, AJ Edds, Donovan Warren, John Skelton, Lonyae Miller, Deji Karim, Jameson Konz, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim

6th-7th: Joique Bell, Trevard Lindley, Fendi Onobun, Jamar Wall, Robert Johnson, Vince Oghobaase, Shelley Smith, Brian Jackson, Javarris James, Keiland Williams, Jay Ross

If a guy goes earlier not a huge deal.

Roy P 04-21-2010 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 19467)
Guys I would be happy with at each pick:

1st: Dan Williams, CJ Spiller, Earl Thomas, Brandon Graham, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey, Sean Weatherspoon, Kyle Wilson, Ryan Mathews, Jerry Hughes, Taylor Mays, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson

2nd: Tyson Alualu, Terrence Cody, Morgan Burnett, Toby Gerhart, Linval Joseph, Lamarr Houston, Jerome Murphy, Ben Tate, Torrell Troup, Major Wright, Javier Arenas, John Jerry, Montario Hardesty, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Jon Asamoah

3rd: Zane Beadles, Reshad Jones, Myron Lewis, Jonathan Dwyer, Geno Atkins, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, JD Walton, Mike Johnson, Koa Misi

4th-5th:Shawn Lauvao, Kam Chancellor, Dekoda Watson, James Starks, LeGarrette Blount, Charles Scott, Mitch Petrus, Marshall Newhouse, Walter McFadden, Mitch Petrus, Myron Rolle, AJ Edds, Donovan Warren, John Skelton, Lonyae Miller, Deji Karim, Jameson Konz, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim

6th-7th: Joique Bell, Trevard Lindley, Fendi Onobun, Jamar Wall, Robert Johnson, Vince Oghobaase, Shelley Smith, Brian Jackson, Javarris James, Keiland Williams, Jay Ross

If a guy goes earlier not a huge deal.


You should put these guys in a spreadsheet and then cut and paste them into the "My Guys" thread. Of course, they are "Your Guys" but that's fine.

painekiller 04-21-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19469)
You should put these guys in a spreadsheet and then cut and paste them into the "My Guys" thread. Of course, they are "Your Guys" but that's fine.

Good idea to move them

Roy P 04-22-2010 02:00 AM

Cleveland Browns Trade
 
This is probably my favorite scenario. The Browns move up from the 2nd round into the 1st round to get their QB of the future. The Texans gladly trade down giving up the #20 and the #150 picks in return for #38, #71, and #92. We go on to select the following players....

38 RB Jahvid Best
51 CB Brandon Ghee
71 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
92 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 LB AJ Edds
197 FS Robert Johnson
227 OG Shelley Smith
UDFA CB Crezdon Butler

painekiller 04-22-2010 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19482)
This is probably my favorite scenario. The Browns move up from the 2nd round into the 1st round to get their QB of the future. The Texans gladly trade down giving up the #20 and the #150 picks in return for #38, #71, and #92. We go on to select the following players....

38 RB Jahvid Best
51 CB Brandon Ghee
71 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
92 DT Geno Atkins
118 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 LB AJ Edds
197 FS Robert Johnson
227 OG Shelley Smith
UDFA CB Crezdon Butler

I do not think Best is even on their board.

38 Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
51 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA)
71 Torrell Troup DT Central Florida
81 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
92 Mike Johnson OG Alabama
118 Marshall Newhouse OG TCU
187 Robert Johnson FS Utah
197 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
227 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech

painekiller 04-23-2010 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 18426)
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm

20 Jonathan Dwyer* RB 6'1" 235 Georgia Tech
51 Chad Jones* S 6'3" 218 LSU
82 Jerome Murphy CB 6'1" 192 South Florida
119 Jacoby Ford WR 5'9" 175 Clemson
152 Terrell Skinner S 6'3" 214 Maryland
190 Max Hall QB 6'1" 200 BYU
200 Jeff Byers OG 6'3" 290 USC
231 Corey Peters DT 6'3" 292 Kentucky

ok in my Cherry pick i have to drop 9 spot to take my guy so I would be trading down with someone Maybe San Diego who are looking RB? we give 20 for 28 and 60
28 Dan Williams DT 6'3" 312 Tennessee
51 Kareem Jackson* CB 5'11" 192 Alabama
60 Jon Asamoah OG 6'5" 309 Illinois
82 Perrish Cox CB 6'1" 195 Oklahoma State
119 Charles Scott RB 5'11" 228 LSU
152 Rodger Saffold OT 6'5" 305 Indiana (OG) prospect had great Shrine week.
190 Cam Thomas DT 6'3" 330 North Carolina
200 John Skelton QB 6'5" 258 Fordham
231 Javarris James RB 6'0" 211 Miami


Again this year like the year we took Brown, I had us taking Jackson, but a round later. Wonder if we take Asamoah at 51?

Roy P 04-23-2010 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 19463)
I put this in the other thread, but for comparison....this is using my board, NOT Cherry picking after the fact. Thought it interesting a few of my picks and the computer were the same....

20 CB Kareem Jackson
51 OG John Jerry
81 RB Ben Tate
118 DT Linval Joseph
150 DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187 FS Robert Johnson
197 CB Crezdon Butler
227 RB Deji Karim

Well, they took KJ at #20, so I'm wondering if we can get an OL and a RB today. I've got to have Tate, Gerhart, or Hardesty before I'll be satisfied with the Texans drafting a RB.

TexanJedi 04-23-2010 10:38 AM

According to Lance Z. the medical on Hardesty might drop him to the 5th.


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