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barrett 10-20-2013 06:16 PM

Fassano blindsided McCain there on that 3rd down conversion. Absolutely blew him up on a pick play and no penalty.

chuck 10-20-2013 06:17 PM

I'm trying to figure out that last time out.

Arky 10-20-2013 06:17 PM

Charles for 1.

Charles for 4. 3rd and 5 coming up.

Pass is complete to Bowe for 14 yards. Offsides on E Reed is declined. 1st down.

Charles for 1.

On 2nd and 9, pass to Avery gets 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.

2 minute warning, Texans out of timeouts.

popanot 10-20-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35812)
I'm trying to figure out that last time out.

Just awful.

barrett 10-20-2013 06:18 PM

I just went back and watched it again and am in shock there was no offensive PI. Fassano actually lowers his shoulder on the play and decleats McCain. All right in front of the official.

BigBull 10-20-2013 06:20 PM

McCain made a play. I'm in shock.

Arky 10-20-2013 06:21 PM

On 3rd and 4, Smith's pass is broken up, inc. Chiefs have to punt.

Chiefs down the punt at the Texan 10. Texans ball with 1:46 left in the game.

barrett 10-20-2013 06:22 PM

Keenum is starting to fade backwards out of the pocket in anticipation of pressure.

Arky 10-20-2013 06:22 PM

Keenum's pass to Graham is broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.

Oh no, Keenum sacked and stripped, fumbles, Chiefs recover. Chiefs ball at the Texan 1. Chiefs kneeling it out.

Final Score:

Chiefs 17, Texans 16

Nconroe 10-20-2013 06:23 PM

Ok, pretty good effort Case.

barrett 10-20-2013 06:24 PM

Great effort from Keenum. He made me care again after determining I wouldn't care the rest of the season. And I already can't wait to see him again. If Schaub is given the job back I'll be heartbroken.

popanot 10-20-2013 06:25 PM

I'm baffled by the calls on our last 3 or 4 offensive series. Of course, the OL and blocking sucked, but it seemed like Kubiak ran a lot of stuff that left Keenum exposed.

chuck 10-20-2013 06:26 PM

Leaving Newton one on one with anyone is mind bending stupidity, with Hali it's just criminal.

BigBull 10-20-2013 06:28 PM

I think Kubiak mismanaged his timeouts and play calling at the end was bad.

chuck 10-20-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBull (Post 35824)
I think Kubiak mismanaged his timeouts and play calling at the end was bad.

Andy Reid threw the ball twice, three times maybe on that last series when the Texans had no time outs. Yet he is 500000 times smarter than palm licker.

Arky 10-20-2013 06:32 PM

Case did good. Needs to work on his pocket awareness but loved the performance overall.

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Jamaal Charles is one cheap-shotting SOB.....

painekiller 10-20-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua (Post 35807)
Come on, PK, you're better than that. You've already decided to forego a QB in a potentially deep QB draft because an undrafted QB has played 3 quarters, which resulted in 1 TD?

Look, i hope Case is the real deal, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm not saying not to take a QB, just not one in the 1st.

barrett 10-20-2013 06:36 PM

It's interesting to criticize play calling when we basically have no idea what the plays were. I don't think we ever saw the routes the last few series since Keenum was getting buried. If I could criticize anything coaching wise it would be the lack of audibles we call. Or kicking a FG on the goal line.

But if Case fails to see where the blitz is coming from, fails to get the ball out, and the OL blocks nobody, that is not a play call issue. On many of those plays they just brought more guys than we had blockers. That will happen when you have no RBs and cannot run the ball to keep a team honest (the other huge coaching error, how do you not have a 3rd RB when Foster enters the game dinged). Plus your QB has no reps with the WRs and no established connection that would allow them to break off routes or go hot. Not to mention the world's loudest stadium.

I just think we got beat today because we are not a very good football team.

nunusguy 10-20-2013 06:36 PM

Congrats to Keenum on his NFL debut, he exceeded any expectations I had for him in this game by a huge, huge margin.

BigBull 10-20-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 35829)
Congrats to Keenum on his NFL debut, he exceeded any expectations I had for him in this game by a huge, huge margin.

So does Keenum get another start or does Kubiak go back to Schaub after the bye week.

Joshua 10-20-2013 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 35827)
I'm not saying not to take a QB, just not one in the 1st.

Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

nunusguy 10-20-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBull (Post 35830)
So does Keenum get another start or does Kubiak go back to Schaub after the bye week.

Keenum certainly gets my vote to be the starter in the Texans' next game.

WMH 10-20-2013 07:18 PM

@JayGlazer: Just got a text from Brian Cushing. Tough man! Broke his leg & tore his LCL, out for year. Says he will kill his rehab & come back stronger

chuck 10-20-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua (Post 35831)
Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

WMH 10-20-2013 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35834)
I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

Definitely agree with this. Wait, did I just really agree with Chuck? Wow...

I'm happy I was wrong about Case. I saw 7-8 plays that he made that Schaub couldn't. That's a lot. I don't see how Kubiak could go back to Schaub, at least for now. Give him two weeks of work, especially hot reads..... Give him a healthy Arian and see what happens.

We're the longest of longshots anyway, why not?

Arky 10-20-2013 07:39 PM

Beat the Colts twice, Jags twice and Titans one more time and go 6-0 in the division..... Maybe even a 9-7 gets it done. Tough but not impossible.

New England will be scary but it is a home game. Denver in Week 16 may be in "coast mode"....

nunusguy 10-20-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 35833)
@JayGlazer: Just got a text from Brian Cushing. Tough man! Broke his leg & tore his LCL, out for year. Says he will kill his rehab & come back stronger

I'm just glad he got paid, got another contract before this shix happened. In a worst case scenario, he's got his family including his son who's he's obviously nutz about and he's got some big bucs in his account.

painekiller 10-20-2013 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua (Post 35831)
Really? After 1 game which we lost and only scored 16 points in and you're convinced that Case is good enough to win a Super Bowl? After this game, you're convinced the entire league misjudged Case? I mean, maybe so, but the odds are very long.

Let's not forget that just a couple years ago a rookie QB started his first game on the road against a pretty good team. He threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs and won the game. His name was T.J. Yates.

I'm saying I like watching this kid play. He is fun to watch, he has charisma and he is a winner. I'm not arguing that he is a raw prospect and needs a lot of development. And I am also not saying that he is a Super Bowl quality QB. But this coming draft class of QBs is not impressing me yet. I know they are deep, and there is a few bright stars, but I have yet to find a QB I take at 10 that is likely to be available at 10. And right now we pick around 10 if the season ends now.

This all said, after the bye week, this team has a much easier schedule on paper, and I expect them to recover. Schaub does give you a better shot today to win, but I would still go with Case for the immediate future.

painekiller 10-20-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 35835)
I'm happy I was wrong about Case. I saw 7-8 plays that he made that Schaub couldn't. That's a lot.

This is what I saw and loved about this kid.

barrett 10-20-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35834)
I think it's wildly premature to be thinking about who's going to do what next year. I also think that Case certainly deserves to start or at the very least should start for the rest of this year and I'd like to think that nine games hence we'll have a better idea of what Case is all about and how urgently the team needs another quarterback.

Agree %100. I don't think he is the QB of the future despite a strong affection for him. However, I would love to be proved wrong, and if Kubiak is not going to start him and give him a chance to prove me wrong, Kubiak deserves to fired yesterday. You start him for 9 weeks and then you know what you need to know going into the offseason. And then even if you draft a QB #1 overall, you give him Case a chance to keep the job early before he likely becomes a very good backup QB.

Joshua 10-20-2013 09:19 PM

Agree that Case should be the starter going forward. I'm just not sold quite yet. He needs to do more than outplay 2013 Schaub to declare the QB decision settled going forward.

Plus, someone has to be the pessimistic old crank. Usually that's Chuck but he's turned into a little ray of sunshine.:D

chuck 10-20-2013 09:20 PM

WMH, barrett and chuck join hands and sing Kumbaya.

I sure hope the team starts winning so we can all go back to being annoyed with each other again.

chuck 10-20-2013 09:22 PM

And Joshua joins the group adding tenor harmony.

barrett 10-20-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35842)
WMH, barrett and chuck join hands and sing Kumbaya.

I sure hope the team starts winning so we can all go back to being annoyed with each other again.

It's funny. The only thing this board has ever agreed on 100% is we hate these guys when they lose.

I am personally very happy because I cut all ties with this season and am blindly optimistic our next coach will be the new Bill Walsh crossed with Bellichik and our next QB will be the next Tom Brady to combat Luck's Manning impression.

cadams 10-21-2013 04:09 PM

Case Keenum was solid in his NFL debut, a 17-16 loss at Kansas City, but he didn’t change coach Gary Kubiak’s mind about the starting position.

“Matt’s our starting quarterback,” Kubiak said of the veteran Schaub. “Case played this week.”

Kubiak said he would re-evaulate the position during the Texans’ bye week.

Keenum went 15-of-25 for 271 yards and a touchdown in his debut. His quarterback rating of 110.6 was higher than any of Schaub’s this season.

“Players responded well to Case,” Kubiak said. “They were very confident with him, and it came from the week of practice.”

Schaub sat Sunday’s game with a foot/ankle injury.

“Matt and (backup) T.J. (Yates) did a good job helping prepare Case to get ready to play,” Kubiak said.


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