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NBT 03-12-2012 07:00 PM

Coby Fleener would likely be a good replacement for Dreeson, who is likely gone to FA. If they can get a likely WR in the second round to replace Jacobe, that would be slick.

NBT 03-12-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 29526)
If a 40 time is slow it is a red flag to me and it makes me look at the film. Kendall Wright is the fastest guy on the film against NFL talent every week. I have no speed concerns about him.

Maybe, but it's hard to judge "NFL caliber talent" in college before they actually DO IT in the NFL. If he turns out to be a Jerry Rice, you will be absolutely correct, But how many Jerry Rice's have there been? Just one to my knowledge.

painekiller 03-14-2012 04:14 PM

WalterFootball mock 2.11.12
 
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Houston Texans: Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
The Texans desperately want to draft a receiver at No. 26, but the four first-round prospects are all off the board. Thus, Houston will have to look elsewhere.

Something else the Texans are interested in doing at this juncture is to find another pass-rusher to replace Mario Williams. Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed are great, but Houston wants a third guy to get after the quarterback so it can have a strong and deep rotation.

Pick change; previously Stephen Hill, WR
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Houston Texans: Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
The Texans, a team that tends to focus in on one or two positions in each round of the NFL Draft, will take the top receiver available with at least one of their picks in the first two rounds. That's pretty much been apparent for months now, but the Houston Chronicle confirmed it recently.
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Houston Texans: Joe Adams, WR/KR, Arkansas
The Texans could easily go back-to-back receivers to kick off the 2012 NFL Draft. They're going to make upgrading the position a priority this offseason.

Pick change; previously Billy Winn, DE/DT
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Houston Texans: Philip Blake, C, Baylor
We've reported that the front office believes some team will outbid for Chris Myers in free agency, so Houston will probably have a big need at the center position.
153
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Houston Texans: Kheeston Randall, DE/DT, Texas
The Texans will be a little thin up front if five-tech Tim Bulman leaves via free agency.

Pick change; previously James-Michael Johnson, ILB
I do like the way this mocked ended, not sure how it begins...

And I laugh that they are using McClain as a the source in what the Texans will do, McClain has gotten it wrong every year that Rick Smith has been in charge.

painekiller 03-14-2012 04:23 PM

DraftTek.com 03.14.2012
 
26 Stephen Hill Georgia Tech WRF Height: 6'5" Weight: 200
58 Shea McClellin Boise State OLB34
89 Brandon Mosley Auburn LOT
121 Matt Conrath Virginia DE34
153 Nicolas Jean-Baptiste Baylor DT34
184 Quinton Saulsberry Mississippi State OC
216 George Bryan North Carolina State TE

I like the way this starts ....

idymoe 03-14-2012 08:33 PM

I like the way both of those start, PK. Most mocks have Perry gone by our pick, as well as Mercilus, but who knows. Having watched Shea his collegiate career, I certainly like him. All he did was consistently make big plays. To be honest, I was surprised by his numbers at the combine. I just always thought it was his great football instincts that made him so good for BSU.

Hill could turn out great, with outstanding measurables, but had minimal production in college. Like I mentioned earlier, I like Mike Martin a lot. If you agree, how high would you be willing to draft him. He has a motor, and he is a big man whose built like a little man, and that's a good thing.

painekiller 03-14-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 29645)
Like I mentioned earlier, I like Mike Martin a lot. If you agree, how high would you be willing to draft him. He has a motor, and he is a big man whose built like a little man, and that's a good thing.

I love Martin, but I see him going in the late 2nd early 3rd.

The Huddle Report has him as the 84th best player, CBS Sports has him 78th, Draft Tek has him at 82, and Gil Brandt of NFL,com has him at 76th.

So that has him going before our third round pick, but well after our 2nd rounder.

I love his motor, and he appears to be a great gap shooter.

painekiller 03-18-2012 11:49 PM

Draftsite.com 3.18.12
 
26 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
89 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Bobby Wagner ILB Utah State 6' 1" 230
153 Shaun Prater CB Iowa 5' 11" 172
184 Winston Guy S Kentucky 6' 1" 208
216 Marcel Jones OT Nebraska 6' 6" 320

idymoe 03-19-2012 12:33 PM

26 Whitney Mercilus
58 Kevin Zeitler
89 Marvin Jones
121 Michael Egnew or Ladarius Green
153 Joe Adams or Amini Silatolu
184 Josh Kaddu or Akeim Hicks
216 Devon Wiley


Definately some risky picks in the lower rounds. I have seen Wiley move up in some mocks. If I knew Wiley would be there in the 7th, I would take a chance on Silatolu.

painekiller 03-21-2012 08:35 PM

Draftsite.com 3.21.12
 
Post Demeco Trade mock, they have us taking the following:

26 Alshon Jeffery* WR South Carolina 6' 3" 234
58 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin 6' 4" 315
76 Keith Tandy CB West Virginia 5' 10" 198
98 Nigel Bradham ILB Florida State 6' 2" 235
120 DeVier Posey WR Ohio State 6' 2" 200
152 Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State 6' 6" 330
183 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee 6' 5" 265
215 Logan Harrell DT Fresno State 6' 2" 275

My cherry pick:

26 Mike Adams OT Ohio State 6' 8" 300
58 Brian Quick WR Appalachian State 6' 5" 220
76 Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
98 Mike Martin NT Michigan 6' 2" 299
120 Keenan Robinson ILB Texas 6' 3" 232
152 Kheeston Randall DE Texas 6' 5" 295
183 William Vlachos OC Alabama 6' 1" 292
215 Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5' 9" 205

While this fails to address OLB, that maybe well backed up by Nading and Braman at this time. Plus I wanted to throw out some new names to bounce off you guys.

There might not be any instant starters on this team, but there are some guys that will make plays.

HPF Bob 03-21-2012 08:40 PM

Going OT in the first is certainly a new twist as long as it is someone who can fit the ZBS. I'm not sure about some of the individuals but I'm good with the drafting strategy. If Bullock is still there in the seventh round, that's a nice pick-up. I like getting a S and an NT.

painekiller 03-21-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 29806)
Going OT in the first is certainly a new twist as long as it is someone who can fit the ZBS. I'm not sure about some of the individuals but I'm good with the drafting strategy. If Bullock is still there in the seventh round, that's a nice pick-up. I like getting a S and an NT.

I didn't think Adams was quite the LT, but he might work at RT. And Smith was the best safety working out at the combine. And I have loved Martin from day one in my looking at this years prospects.

Nconroe 03-21-2012 11:31 PM

Did you watch Baylor Pro Day on NFL network?

Kendall Wright looked pretty fast and quick and good at WR. Doubt he will be around at 26.

RG3 looks fantastic. Real strong arm.

Interesting Indy was there, Washington had everyone there incl the owner.

painekiller 03-22-2012 11:23 AM

DraftTek.com 03.22.2012
 
26 Kendall Wright Baylor WRF
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Although Kendall Wright's Combine performance left something to be desired, scouts will value his production on game tape more than "underwear olympics" results. This play-maker will make an immediate impact on special teams, and there is no doubt that Gary Kubiak will install some offensive packages to take advantage of his talents. It won't be long before he's lined up opposite Andre Johnson on a permanent basis.
58 Bruce Irvin West Virginia OLB34
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Mario Williams is a Buffalo Bill! Houston's pass-rushing cupboard is not bare with starters Brooks Reed and Connor Barwin, but "Flash" Irvin adds a "speed and explosion dimension" the Texans don't currently possess. When a 245 lb OLB runs a sub-4.5 forty, 4.03 shuttle and 6.70 3-cone, plus 23 bench press reps, 33" vertical and 10'3" broad jump, that is the definition of speed and explosion (factor = 66). Look for Bruce to make a "special" impact (as in specialty defenses and special teams)!
76 Audie Cole North Carolina State SILB
98 Tom Compton South Dakota ROT
120 Matt Conrath Virginia DE34
152 Brandon Brooks Miami (OH) OG
183 Nicolas Jean-Baptiste Baylor DT34
215 D'Anton Lynn Penn State FS

I think Bruce Irving has a real shot at being a Texan.

HPF Bob 03-22-2012 01:08 PM

When I read the blurb about Irvin, I was asking myself "If he's that good, why is he available at pick #58?" If he's that fast and can *tackle*, then by all means let's get him and probably with #26 since good WRs will still be available at #58.

At least he's from that Virginia/Virginia Tech/West Virginia axis that we seem to take a lot of players from.

painekiller 03-22-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 29811)
When I read the blurb about Irvin, I was asking myself "If he's that good, why is he available at pick #58?" If he's that fast and can *tackle*, then by all means let's get him and probably with #26 since good WRs will still be available at #58.

At least he's from that Virginia/Virginia Tech/West Virginia axis that we seem to take a lot of players from.

Solid points, He was on my radar before the combine, but like you ask, why is he not being talked about as a top 15 pick with those combine numbers?

HPF Bob 03-22-2012 02:06 PM

Maybe here's why Irvin's still there at #58. He got arrested the day after his Pro Day.

Rang, CBS Sports.com

painekiller 03-22-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 29813)
Maybe here's why Irvin's still there at #58. He got arrested the day after his Pro Day.

Rang, CBS Sports.com

Well there you go, I don't see him on the Texans radar. But remember Braman was in serious trouble with the law before we brought him to the NFL. So there is hope.

WMH 03-22-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 29815)
Well there you go, I don't see him on the Texans radar. But remember Braman was in serious trouble with the law before we brought him to the NFL. So there is hope.

Braman might have been the lone exception to the golden boy routine. IIRC, Wade knew his HC in college.

idymoe 03-23-2012 11:12 AM

I guess this thread is as good as any to post this. Boise State had their pro day yesterday. I'm never real sure how BSU players will do in drills. I am always sure about their attitude, fundamentals, work ethic, etc. I was really wondering how WR Tyler Shoemaker would test out, as he didn't get an invite to the combine. He had 60+ receptions this year and a team record 16 touchdowns. He is decent sized at 6' 1 1/2" and 216. Anyway, he ran a 4.43 40 yesterday and had a 37" vertical. Very respectable for a receiver with a little size. I can tell you he runs very good routes and is a hard worker. I think he has a chance to get drafted in the 6th or 7th round. I think he would be a good value pick there.

I love Doug Martin, but since we don't need an RB, I just hope he goes to a team I don't hate.

HPF Bob 03-23-2012 12:17 PM

The fact that he didn't get an invite to the combine makes him an automatic sleeper. If he's not drafted, he'll probably be in demand as a UDFA. I'm sure any scouts who went to see Martin now know who he is.

idymoe 03-23-2012 01:46 PM

Another sleeper is NT Chase Baker. He is only around 300, but also only a little over 6' and plays low with great leverage. I can't remember ever seeing anyone drive him and he drew a lot of double-teams. He kept the linebackers clean and got good penetration from his position. Starter from his sophomore season on. I saw at KFFL.com he has visits scheduled with the Vikings and Cowboys.

painekiller 03-27-2012 05:00 PM

Draftsite.com 3.27.12
 
26 Mark Barron S Alabama 6' 2" 210
58 A.J. Jenkins WR Illinois 6' 1" 185
76 Brandon Washington* OG Miami 6' 4" 320
99 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Brandon Lindsey DE Pittsburgh 6' 2" 250
161 Matt Reynolds OT BYU 6' 6" 325
195 Sammy Brown OLB Houston 6' 3" 240
233 Robert Blanton CB Notre Dame 6' 0" 200

Not a bad day for us, but is it the best we can do?

26 Stephen Hill* WR Georgia Tech 6' 5" 206
58 Coby Fleener TE Stanford 6' 6" 248
76 Harrison Smith S Notre Dame 6' 2" 212
99 Mike Martin DT Michigan 6' 2" 299

Not that this is going to happen but I would be happy if it did.

NBT 03-29-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 29825)
Another sleeper is NT Chase Baker. He is only around 300, but also only a little over 6' and plays low with great leverage. I can't remember ever seeing anyone drive him and he drew a lot of double-teams. He kept the linebackers clean and got good penetration from his position. Starter from his sophomore season on. I saw at KFFL.com he has visits scheduled with the Vikings and Cowboys.

I am kind of intrigued with Akiem Hicks from Canada. 6-5-,324, 4.98/40. Mammoth player with elite measurables, light feet, and impressive length. However, he is extremely raw. Long arms (35") and a wingspan of 84". Surprising atheletic ability for a player his size. Rare movement skills, explosive hitter. He would be a good fit for those of you who think our nose tackle should be bigger. And due to his inexperience, he will probably be available as late as the 5th, or 6th round.

HPF Bob 03-29-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT (Post 29864)
I am kind of intrigued with Akiem Hicks from Canada. 6-5-,324, 4.98/40. Mammoth player with elite measurables, light feet, and impressive length. However, he is extremely raw. Long arms (35") and a wingspan of 84". Surprising atheletic ability for a player his size. Rare movement skills, explosive hitter. He would be a good fit for those of you who think our nose tackle should be bigger. And due to his inexperience, he will probably be available as late as the 5th, or 6th round.

Works for me. I'd even snag him with one of our two fourths. I remember how inexperience Seth Wand was and we still took him in the third. You can't teach size and quickness.

WMH 03-29-2012 05:46 PM

Source: Grambling WR Mario Louis to visit Texans next week: http://t.co/krBtV0lP -- Aaron Wilson (@RavensInsider)

Warren 03-29-2012 08:43 PM

Hicks isn't the typical guy from Saskatoon State or wherever. He's from California and signed with LSU out of junior college. He never played there though because an assistant coach set him up with some illegal benefits (rides and a place to stay) and they were tried to cover it up when it was investigated. He then headed to Canada.

I wouldn't be surprised to see someone reach for him by following Bill Parcells' "planet person" philosophy -- there's a limited number of 300 pounders on the planet with that kind of athleticism, so you shouldn't pass them up. He supposedly isn't as impressive on the field, though.

Warren 03-31-2012 12:06 PM

Per PFT, the Texans have visits set up with:
  • Old Dominion DT Ronnie Cameron
  • Grambling WR Mario Lewis
  • Kansas St. S Kelcie McCray
  • Illinois S Tavon Wilson

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rkout-tracker/

Warren 03-31-2012 12:14 PM

And to put that in perspective, they didn't draft any of the eight guys it was reported they brought in last year: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...kouts-tracker/

painekiller 03-31-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 29889)
And to put that in perspective, they didn't draft any of the eight guys it was reported they brought in last year: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...kouts-tracker/

And that has been the trend since Rick Smith took over the draft. The Texans tend to only bring in for a meeting with UDFA types, they almost never draft guys they have in for visits.

painekiller 04-03-2012 05:30 AM

DraftTek.com 04.3.2012
 
26 Dont'a Hightower Alabama SILB
58 Bruce Irvin West Virginia OLB34
76 Mitchell Schwartz California LOT
99 A.J. Jenkins Illinois WRF
121 Derek Wolfe Cincinnati DE34
161 Nicolas Jean-Baptiste Baylor DT34
195 Ryan Miller Colorado OG
233 Terrence Frederick Texas A&M CB

IMO they are over stating our need at ILB in the 1st round. The loss of Ryan is a big one and he will be missed, but his position is only on the field 50% of the defensive snaps. Going ILB in the 1st is luxury we may not be able to afford. As for Irvin, I do not see the Texans selecting him.

Overall not a bad mock.

HPF Bob 04-03-2012 11:15 AM

Draftek now has a simulator where you can tweak their priority formulas so I changed a few of them and got this:

26. Andre Branch 3-4OLB Clemson (Poe, Fleener, Wright, Perry still on board)
58. Marvin Jones WR California
76. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
99. Demario Davis, ILB, Arkansas St.
121. Reuben Randle, WR, LSU
151. Matt Conrath, 3-4 DE, Virginia
195. Ishmaa'ily Kitchen, 3-4 DT, Kent St.
233. Jaymes Brooks, OG, Virginia Tech

The problem with Draftek is that they don't seem to update their databases as players become fallers and risers. They still have Poe as a low 1st even though he has risen to mid-first on many boards. Rang has us taking Randle - but in the first round.

Still, I like this draft in terms of the depth it provides. I think the Texans will probably fill some other needs besides these.

HPF Bob 04-03-2012 11:31 AM

If I were to choose by position, not player, I would probably draft this way:

1. OLB or WR
2. WR or LT
3. LT or OLB
4a. TE or NT
4b. NT or TE
5. trade down for two sevenths
6. OG
7a. QB
7b. FB
7c. PK

It would be really cool to me if the sevenths turned out to be Case Keenum, QB, Houston, Cody Johnson, FB, Texas and Randy Bullock, PK, Texas A&M. They could all be useful parts and could fall all the way to the seventh (or might possibly be UDFAs).

WMH 04-03-2012 12:22 PM

IMO, a 7th rounder isn't likely to play for us anytime soon, UNLESS he's a K. I would be on board with that, as he would be on the cheap for atleast 4 years.

HPF Bob 04-03-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 29927)
IMO, a 7th rounder isn't likely to play for us anytime soon, UNLESS he's a K. I would be on board with that, as he would be on the cheap for atleast 4 years.

But all three of these would help. Keenum would be the development QB now that Leinart is gone and Yates has playoff experience. Fullbacks are not even a part of many team's rosters anymore. We're one of the few. Johnson has a great deal of experience both as the designated short yardage back and lead blocker. And, as you noted, a PK will be an immediate help and Bullock was an exceptional one with the Aggies. So, there you are - three guys the Texans can use now that Leinart, Vickers and Rackers are gone for the puny cost of a 5th and a 7th. Plus, as an added bonus, each will bring a bit of their old college supporters with them.

NBT 04-04-2012 11:31 AM

By Position:

1. WRz or TE (Fleener)

2. ORT/OG

3. WRf* or OLB

4. ILB or S

5-7 BPA

*( Oklahoma's WR Ryan Broyles - ACL surgery)

HPF Bob 04-04-2012 01:11 PM

DraftSite has added the compensatory picks:

3rd round:
95. Oakland

4th round:
128. Minnesota
129. Oakland
130. Baltimore
131. NY Giants
132. Green Bay
133. Green Bay
134. Minnesota
135. Dallas

5th round:
168. Oakland
169. Baltimore
170. Indianapolis

6th round:
202. NY Jets
203. NY Jets
204. Cleveland
205. Cleveland
206. Indianapolis
207. Carolina

7th round:
240. Pittsburgh
241. Green Bay
242. NY Jets
243. Green Bay
244. NY Jets
245. Cleveland
246. Pittsburgh
247. Cleveland
248. Pittsburgh
249. Atlanta
250. San Diego
251. Buffalo
252. St. Louis
253. Indianapolis

NBT 04-04-2012 05:01 PM

At this point before the Draft, my ideal would be:

26 WR Stephon Hill

58 TE (who could play a little slot) Coby Fleener.

Reality, I don't think Fleener will last to #58. We will be lucky if Hill lasts to #26! But one can always hope.

If it should happen, it would make us infinitely more dangerous for our opponents.

painekiller 04-10-2012 12:34 PM

Draftsite.com 4.10.12
 
26 Mark Barron S Alabama 6' 2" 210
58 Ronnell Lewis* OLB Oklahoma 6' 2" 234
76 Brian Quick WR Appalachian State 6' 5" 220
99 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Matt McCants OT Alabama, Birmingham 6' 7" 295
161 Matt Conrath DE Virginia 6' 7" 270
195 Grant Garner OC Oklahoma State 6' 3" 289
233 Austin Davis QB Southern Miss 6' 2" 208

Even though I cannot argue all the positions taken, I am not sold on the priority/players with these picks.

By now a lot of my cherry picks will be the same old guys I have been selecting for some time now.

26 Stephen Hill* WR Georgia Tech 6' 5" 206 - offensive explosion with the #1 pick, but does not have to start day one.
58 Shea McClellin OLB Boise State 6' 3" 262 - depth/rotational OLB to help with the lose of Mario
76 Mike Martin DT Michigan 6' 2" 299 - High motor quick NT
99 Derek Wolfe DE Cincinnati 6' 5" 298 - Rotation guy who could be Smith future replacement
121 Jerry Franklin ILB Arkansas 6' 1" 241 -tackling machine in the middle
161 William Vlachos OC Alabama 6' 1" 292 - OL depth
195 Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5' 9" 205 - could be our kicker for next 10 years
233 Donald Stephenson OT Oklahoma 6' 6" 309 - OL depth

I see this draft as a chance to add depth, not to force anyone into starting roles, finally!!!

machoneil 04-10-2012 03:06 PM

26 Peter Konz OG/C Wisconsin 6'4" 315 - Competes for the guard spot and ST OC Day 1. Drafting Badgers with the first pick is lucky.

58 Shea McClellin OLB/ILB Boise State 6'3" 262 - Can play multiple LB spots, so a potential 3-down backer sometimes, as well as ST.

76 Brian Quick WR Appalachin St 6'3" 222 - Big, fast target with big hands for red zone packages. Needs coaching up, though.

99 Mitchell Schwartz OT/OG Cal 6'5" 318 - Ideal RT for our blocking scheme, with long arms even.

121 Greg Childs WR Arkansas 6'3" 219 - Big, fast target with big hands. Knee looks healed.

161 Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida 5'8" 180 - In Sproles/Bush/McCluster mold, which could be a nice change of pace.

195 Coty Sensebaugh CB Clemson 5'11" 189 - Fast leader of sucky Clemson backfield. Can man-up with tall, fast WRs, just not with strong, fast WRs. ST gunner.

233 Evan Rodriguez TE/FB/HB/QB/ST Temple 6'1" 242 - What's that position that Casey plays? He can back that up like a Brinks truck.

Blitzwood 04-10-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 29960)
26 Mark Barron S Alabama 6' 2" 210
58 Ronnell Lewis* OLB Oklahoma 6' 2" 234
76 Brian Quick WR Appalachian State 6' 5" 220
99 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6' 1" 310
121 Matt McCants OT Alabama, Birmingham 6' 7" 295
161 Matt Conrath DE Virginia 6' 7" 270
195 Grant Garner OC Oklahoma State 6' 3" 289
233 Austin Davis QB Southern Miss 6' 2" 208




26. Ruben Randle WR
58. Ronnell Lewis OLB
76. Dwight Bentley CB Jason Allen's replacement
99. Nick Foles QB
121. Bobby Wagner ILB/OLB
161. Cody Johnson FB
195. Jeff Allen OT/OG
233. Keshawn Martin WR/PR

UDFA- James Hanna TE
UDFA- Greg Zuerlein K
UDFA- Jonas Gray RB


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