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Keith 04-28-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25009)
At Free Safety?

Oh yes. I think he could start at corner on this team, too, but I am very intrigued by him switching to free safety.

Plus he sacked Sam Bradford. :p
http://youtu.be/Bd8fk834FnI

Roy P 04-28-2011 09:12 PM

I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

Nconroe 04-28-2011 09:13 PM

Some JJ Watt Analysis from NFL.com- looks pretty good
Height:6'5"
Weight:290 lbs.
Arm Length:34 in.
Hand Size:11 1/8 in.
College:Wisconsin

In the 2010 season, Watt finished the regular season with 59 tackles, seven sacks, two fumble recoveries, and an interception.[1] Watt was the 2010 recipient of the Ronnie Lott Award and was one of six finalist's for the Ted Hendricks Award

Pick Analysis: Wade Phillips' defense is predicated on bringing a pressure off the edges, but a strong interior presence is needed to make it happen. Watt is an ideal five-technique with the strength and power to dominate offensive tackles at the point of attack. He not only improves Houston's rush defense but gives them another high-motor player to incorporate into the pass rush.

Combine Stats
40 Yard Dash4.84 Time
Bench Press 34.0 Reps
Vertical Jump 37.0 Height
Broad Jump 120.0 Distance
3 Cone Drill 6.88 Time
20 Yard Shuttle 4.21 Time

TexanJedi 04-28-2011 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25011)
I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

After hearing McClain discuss his baggage, I don't think so. What a waste of talent.

WMH 04-28-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25011)
I'm looking at Jimmy Smith and thinking he needs to be a Texan.

Possibly, but don't see it with our choir boy mentality.

Could be Williams, Dowling, or Harris.

OR, and IMO preferrably, an OLB. Brooks Reed, Justin Houston come to mind.

Roy P 04-28-2011 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=Roy P;24988]I think I might have been good with taking Phil Taylor to play NT instead of Watt QUOTE]

The Browns get the NT.

The Colts get an OL.

Roy P 04-28-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WMH (Post 25014)
Possibly, but don't see it with our choir boy mentality.

Could be Williams, Dowling, or Harris.

OR, and IMO preferrably, an OLB. Brooks Reed, Justin Houston come to mind.

I'm cool with any of those choices....so it's going to be somebody else.

WMH 04-28-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25016)
I'm cool with any of those choices....so it's going to be somebody else.

Wouldn't be a Texans draft if they picked someone we all liked....... :confused:

Roy P 04-28-2011 09:36 PM

It'll be somebody like LB Mason Foster or Kelvin Sheppard

Nconroe 04-28-2011 09:37 PM

Maybe going with the build from inside - out theory, so

If we happen to go for an OLB in rnd 2 or 3, here are a few to consider

Justin Houston Georgia 6'3" 267 lbs
40: 4.57 Bench: 30 Vert: 36.5" Arm: 34 1/2"
Round Prediction: First Round

Brook Reed Arizona 6'3" 263 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: 30 Vert: 30.5" Arm: 32 1/4"
Round Prediction: First Round

Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh 6'3" 264 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: DNP Vert: 31" Arm: 33 1/2"
Round Prediction: Second Round

Sam Acho Texas 6'2" 262 lbs
40: 4.63 Bench: 23 Vert: 33.5" Arm: 33.5"
Round Prediction: Second Round to Third Round

Chris Carter Fresno State 6'1" 248 lbs
40: 4.66 Bench: DNP Vert: 36" Arm: 33"
Round Prediction: Second Round to Third Round

Dontay Moch Nevada 6'1" 248 lbs
40: 4.45 Bench: DNP Vert: 42" Arm: 33"
Round Prediction: Third Round

Fonz the Boss 04-28-2011 09:39 PM

I didn't want Prince either but that Watt pick did surprise me. Rick said he would go for best player available instead of need and obviously Fairley was the best available.... I wasn't sold on Prince after I watched his highlights against OSU.

Warren 04-28-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss (Post 25020)
I didn't want Prince either but that Watt pick did surprise me. Rick said he would go for best player available instead of need and obviously Fairley was the best available.... I wasn't sold on Prince after I watched his highlights against OSU.

There has been a lot of talk lately that Fairley has come across as a guy who will mail it in a lot of the time once he gets the big check.

HPF Bob 04-28-2011 09:52 PM

Watt? We take another DL in the first round? I think the Texans want a D-unit with 11 DLs and no DBs.

Repeat after me: "We must get to Peyton Manning..."

Roy P 04-28-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren (Post 25021)
There has been a lot of talk lately that Fairley has come across as a guy who will mail it in a lot of the time once he gets the big check.

That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.

Warren 04-28-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanJedi (Post 25013)
After hearing McClain discuss his baggage, I don't think so. What a waste of talent.

Yeah, he's supposed to be on-par with Peterson talent-wise but three failed drug tests (including one for codeine), an arrest for assault, and multiple impregnations are scaring off even the less risk-averse teams.

Warren 04-28-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25023)
That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.

I agree completely.

Joe Joe 04-28-2011 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 25023)
That's the benefit of having Suh on the roster. Fairley won't be allowed to 'mail it in' next to Suh.

? With Suh on roster, he could mail it in a quarter of the time and no one would notice.

Roy P 04-28-2011 10:28 PM

Cam Heyward goes to the Steelers. I would trade them Watt for him right now.

Arky 04-28-2011 10:40 PM

1st round complete:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
2 Von Miller OLB Broncos 97
3 Marcell Dareus DT Bills 97
4 A.J. Green WR Bengals 97
5 Patrick Peterson DB Cardinals 97
6 Julio Jones WR Falcons 95
7 Aldon Smith DE 49ers 93
8 Jake Locker QB Titans 90
9 Tyron Smith OT Cowboys 95
10 Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
11 J.J. Watt DE Texans 93
12 Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85
13 Nick Fairley DT Lions 94
14 Robert Quinn DE Rams 96
15 Mike Pouncey C Dolphins 92
16 Ryan Kerrigan DE Redskins 92
17 Nate Solder OT Patriots 91
18 Corey Liuget DT Chargers 93
19 Prince Amukamara DB Giants 95
20 Adrian Clayborn DE Buccaneers 89
21 Phil Taylor DT Browns 90
22 Anthony Castonzo OT Colts 94
23 Danny Watkins OG Eagles 89
24 Cameron Jordan DE Saints 95
25 James Carpenter OG Seahawks 85
26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Chiefs 85
27 Jimmy Smith DB Ravens 92
28 Mark Ingram RB Saints 92
29 Gabe Carimi OT Bears 91
30 Muhammad Wilkerson DE Jets 91
31 Cameron Heyward DE Steelers 88
32 Derek Sherrod OT Packers 87

Blitzwood 04-28-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot (Post 24996)
Exactly. I just don't get this team and the direction they're going. They probably could have traded down, and hell, picked up an extra 3 or 4 and still have gotten Watt or someone that will help as much as him.

My thoughts exactly.......


I would have much rather preferred Fairly at end if we were gonna stay put.

Fonz the Boss 04-28-2011 11:30 PM

I know we are going defense again in the 2nd rd but I really want Titus Young on my team.... Jacoby Jones can get released for all I care.

painekiller 04-29-2011 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 24991)
Ok let me get this straight...

So with our #11 pick in the draft we select Amobi Okoye....Oh my bad I meant Travis Johnson...Oh my bad I meant J.J. Watt

Watt is not either one of those guys. He is a high motor guy who just keeps coming. He is the safest pick at 11. And yes he is depth, that part I do not like. But I see them letting Smith go after this season.

I'm not happy with the pick, IMO DE is not the big need. It appears the Texans had Aldon Smith as their pick and that was blown up by San Fran. So they went safe. They were scared of taking another CB in the 1st to play across from last years joke of a pick ( he should be better in a decent NFL system this year), and they were scared off from Quin's medical and off field issues.

IMO the Texans will never win with Rick Smith drafting the safe pick. They do not have anyone on defense that teams have to scheme for other than Mario and he does not have the desire to be the best in the NFL.

They should have gone Quin IMO. I would have been OK with Prince, but not in love.

Now go up and grab Aaron Williams at 33 or so and that will show me some balls. Rick Smith has no balls.

painekiller 04-29-2011 02:22 AM

So what do the Texans do in the 2nd? Move up and take Aaron Williams FS?

Move up and take OLB Brooks Reed? Stay where they are and draft OLB Brooks Reed?

How about taking Stephen Paea from OSU to play the NT with Mitchell? That would be a great fit for Wade's scheme. But also would be another rotational guy (Bench).

Or how about Dontay Moch to play OLB?

Brandon Harris would be a nice pick up to play CB.

Houston would be an ok pick in the 2nd round, but don't see that one.

nunusguy 04-29-2011 06:55 AM

I was too stupid in college to get thru advanced math courses like calculus, but I'm still confidant in my calculations that going from the 4-3 to the 3-4 means our need for Dlineman dropped by 25% ? So why do we use that precious first-round pick on a DLineman instead of a OLB or DBack where we really, really need help, especially an edge-rusher ?
I guess they were just too scared of Quinn to make that move ? If it was medical, OK I can buy that, but I hope it wasn't "off-field" issues because that kind of all too cautious behavior has cost the Texans valuable talent in the past.

WMH 04-29-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 25036)
I was too stupid in college to get thru advanced math courses like calculus, but I'm still confidant in my calculations that going from the 4-3 to the 3-4 means our need for Dlineman dropped by 25% ? So why do we use that precious first-round pick on a DLineman instead of a OLB or DBack where we really, really need help, especially an edge-rusher ?

I think that is where it gets a little fuzzy. Lots has been written about Phillips system being a "hybrid" 3-4.
Mario is in the last year of his contract, Smith has two years left on his contract. If we lose one or the other, or both, Watt has a year to work in a be solid.

Not a "sexy" pick, but in Wade I trust.

Until he pisses me off......


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